Is it normal for a 200lb guy to fall this fast............on his belly?

[Viking 0]

these are plots from my protrack on two jumps i did at Chicks Rock.

The first one is of a 6-way tube that broke up and then everyone played chase the brick........me being the brick. I was wearing my rw suit for that one.

The second one was a 5-way chase the brick i was shorts a t-shirt. Myself and another guy went out in a two way got stable waited for everyone to get close and then we broke off and wanted to see how fast we could go. I arched, reached back and grabbed my ankles and went for it. Two guys docked on my head before i got unstable and had to put my arms out to stop chipping back and forth.

God I love do this kinda thing!!!

I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver
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[bobsled92 0]

If that's your intent, then yes it would be normal

In sit fly..I'm 175. no real movement just standard position.

In dive, I'm hitting the 268mph mark Heads down (must be stable 100%)
Try it..it's fun
I weigh 203lb at 6'0"

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[Viking 0]

Well on those jumps ya it was my intent (the goal was to have someone dock on me while they were head down)

When your doing head down are you wearing a speed suit?

lol i might have to try my belly speed test in a shorty wetsuit as i don't have normal speed suit.

I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver
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[bobsled92 0]

jog pants and my home DZ t-shirt.

I had red welt from the t-shirt.
My speed suit tore up a year ago. That was much faster but very hard to stay stable
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[davelepka 4]

I have never heard of a 'chase the brick' jump, but I've got say it sounds retarded.

5 or 6 people, all trying to keep up with you, most likey above you, who by your own admission was not stable? This doesn't sound like a solid plan with saftey in mind. There is a thread about a jumper falling through an inflated canopy in the incidents forum. I have seen this happen up close, and it is not fun, and it does happen.

[popsjumper 2]

...life is full of "what ifs."

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[mnealtx 0]

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I have never heard of a 'chase the brick' jump, but I've got say it sounds retarded.

5 or 6 people, all trying to keep up with you, most likey above you, who by your own admission was not stable? This doesn't sound like a solid plan with saftey in mind. There is a thread about a jumper falling through an inflated canopy in the incidents forum. I have seen this happen up close, and it is not fun, and it does happen.

How is this different from, say, a funneled 8 way?

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[davelepka 4]

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How is this different from, say, a funneled 8 way?

In a funneld 8 way, the low man is not trying to outrun the rest of the jumpers.

In response to the post above, "life is full of risks".
Sure it is, but it's stupid to create additional ones for no reason.

[popsjumper 2]

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...In response to the post above, "life is full of risks".
Sure it is, but it's stupid to create additional ones for no reason.

Read it again...."what ifs."

Secondly...stay at home and don't create any additional risks for yourself by jumping out of airborne craft.

Yeah, I know where you're coming from - safety first - but there's no need to be anal with it in this thread.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[tigra 0]

I hear ya, Dave. Roger Nelson used to do something similar- didn't call it chase the brick, but he'd dive out first and let 4 or 5 of us chase him. Of course, the big difference here is it was ROGER (with all his experience) laying a fast but stable base on his belly. A bunch of newbies playing high speed target practice in the air doesn't sound all that cool to me. Hope everyone involved had helmets, aads and good insurance!

[davelepka 4]

Yeah, Roger doing a swoop drill with some newbies is waaaaaaaay different than a guy with 90-some jumps grabbing his ankles a potato chipping his way as low as he can get. Waaaaaaay different.

[tigra 0]

Viking,

You might want to invest in some coach jumps to work on fall rate and stability. Someone who is tall and thin like you should have a lot of natural range, you just need some help finding it.

maura

[davelepka 4]

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Yeah, I know where you're coming from - safety first - but there's no need to be anal with it in this thread.

Yeah, you're right. NORMALLY, this would be a bad idea, but since it's posted in the bonfire, it's just for fun and it's OK.

News flash dude, all of the jumps involving freefall and canopy collisions started off as fun. Again, from personal experience, and reading the latest threads in the incidents forum, these accidents do happen, and need avoided at all costs. I'm sorry if I'm ruining your fun, but when someone dies or becoems seriously injured on the DZ it ruins my fun, and I guess I'm a selfish bastard.

So before another newbie sees this and figures they can top this guys numbers, and they'll post their graph next week, I'll speak up.


Edit: I just looked over your porfile, and if you are truely interested in "Learning to skydive worth a crap", it doesn't show in your attitude.

[SudsyFist 0]

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I have never heard of a 'chase the brick' jump, but I've got say it sounds retarded.

5 or 6 people, all trying to keep up with you, most likey above you, who by your own admission was not stable? This doesn't sound like a solid plan with saftey in mind. There is a thread about a jumper falling through an inflated canopy in the incidents forum. I have seen this happen up close, and it is not fun, and it does happen.

You've got a lot of assuming going on there, kind sir.

First, this was a freefly dive with a fast base, with the significant difference between this and other "normal" freefly dives was that the base was on his belly.

Second, that difference was taken into account in planning, briefing, and execution, with the most significant issue being rapid changes to fall rate (including possible "corking"). The precautions are similar to when flying with someone, say, who's working on taking docks: a no-fly cone above them, e.g.

Third, the freeflyers were all very comfortable flying with each other, fast or slow, with dozens of freefly jumps *together* (not to mention hundreds otherwise). One exception was a single participant on the tube dive, who got extra extra extra briefing and contingency planning.

Fourth, although he was admittedly chipping on the second dive, he's successfully pulled this off on two-ways prior to building it up on a bigger dive, so there was definitely a progression, further reducing risk (not at all eliminating it) of big bad things a-happenin'.

I could probably spout off a dozen or so more points about this, but my basic position here is this: was this more difficult/dangerous than just a regular old freefly dive? Absolutely. Was that additional risk taken into account and mitigated? Yes. Would it have been less risky if the base had 10,000 jumps? Of course, silly! Did the flyers on this dive walk away both having learned some things as well as having a good time? Yes. Do we also see other routine freefly dives that similarly incorporate more risk which we try our best to mitigate? Yes.

Please, before you start pointing your finger and accusing something of having an extra 21st chromosome, ask some questions first and show not only that you care, but you also are interested in knowing what really happened. Then you can argue the individual points with which you disagree, without having to taste your own toe jam.

[tigra 0]

Before you ream Dave for not asking questions before making assumptions, this was posted in the bonfire and the explanation you just provided about the experience level and planning of the other jumpers involved was not disclosed and there also wasn't a "Kids don't try this at home" type disclaimer. Viking was just bragging about his fall rate! Freefall collisions at that speed are no joking matter and Dave was right to raise the questions he did, even if you don't like HOW he did it.

But, thanks for clearing up the particulars of the dive!

[popsjumper 2]

Oh here we go with the skygod attitude....

Yes, of course you're right, safety is foremost.

However, it's the bonfire, you want to play the numbers card, yeah you missed the whole point of the post...

"I gotta bunch of jumps, you have fewer, I know it all and you're a butthead with an attitude because you questioned my authority"....yessir, makes me want to listen and hang on your every word....talk about attitude....sheesh. FYI, I have excellent instructors who don't have the skygod mentality, thank you.

Your best response to him would have been to have him talk to his instructors to verify the safety issues involved in doing this type of thing.....

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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[...Please, before you start pointing your finger and accusing something of having an extra 21st chromosome, ask some questions first and show not only that you care, but you also are interested in knowing what really happened. Then you can argue the individual points with which you disagree, without having to taste your own toe jam.

You said it much better than I did....

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[SudsyFist 0]

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there also wasn't a "Kids don't try this at home" type disclaimer.

Excellent point. Bad Viking!

[Remster 30]

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However, it's the bonfire, you want to play the numbers card, yeah you missed the whole point of the post...

This is a skydiving site. I'm glad someone remembered that. With the details posted, I think Dave was way in line with his comments.

Remster

[nate_1979 9]

Does deploying at 150+mph hurt, sheesh..

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[popsjumper 2]

Agreed...and it can be done nicely without the condescending flame:
"I have never heard of a 'chase the brick' jump, but I've got say it sounds retarded. "

And directing one to his instructors for advice is always a good idea...unless you know that the instructor he will be going to is not safety-conscious.

So, hopefully, one learns from every jump.

BTW, his question never did get answered...is it normal for a 200lb guy to fall that fast?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[GogglesnTeeth 6]

It's good to fall fast on your belly.

The ability to dock on Sit-Flyers while belly flying is an art form.

Goggles and Teeth

"You fall like a greased safe!!!"

[popsjumper 2]

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It's good to fall fast on your belly.

The ability to dock on Sit-Flyers while belly flying is an art form.

And it appears that was what they were trying to do...unfortunate choice of words "chasing the brick."

Wish I could arch like that.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Remster 30]

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without the condescending flame:
"I have never heard of a 'chase the brick' jump, but I've got say it sounds retarded. "

Thats the problem with this forum... hard to keep up with all thats posted. Please, no PA or bordeline PAs.

Remster

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Please, no PA or bordeline PAs.

Why you got to hate like that, always excluding certain people for their choice in jewelry!!

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