frost 1 #51 August 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteI have not jumped in a year because I need my head clear With your 30 jumps and not jumping for a year, I suggest you take Jim Slaton's ground launching course for non-skydivers (see News). Canopy control is everything. It's poor canopy control that burned me in on my 42nd jump. In my AFF course, there was very little emphasis - if any - on canopy piloting. You can start by kiting your canopy. You'll learn a lot just by feeling your canopy, all its inputs. Learning your canopy will save your ass someday from hitting the concrete at 20mph. I hope you don't ever know the feeling of your blood filled with stone and losing half a gallon of it. Now you folks tell me, is this guy deranged or what? I mean really, we should stop reasoning with him - IT CANNOT BE DONE, as can be clearly seen from his posts. I feel like i am in a twilight zone... Madness.SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying. Because nobody knows your skills better than you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pash 0 #52 August 4, 2005 QuoteWith your 30 jumps and not jumping for a year, I suggest you take Jim Slaton's ground launching course for non-skydivers (see News). Canopy control is everything. It's poor canopy control that burned me in on my 42nd jump. In my AFF course, there was very little emphasis - if any - on canopy piloting. I promise to take that advice or at least get formal canopy coaching. This will be AFTER I do my tandem just to get oriented in the sky again after such an odd start. I know it makes me look like less of a skydiver but I really like the idea of getting acquainted with the sky like a beginner all over again. I'm thinking very small DZ, plenty of time to talk with the folks there. Enough about that until I actually do it. Anyhow, I meant what I said. If only 30 jumps precludes us from relating, I will accept that. If not, give me a shout anytime. take care, jason ps - It was jump #25 that I cutaway due to 1 1/2 line twists. It was jump #26 that I landed in the DZO's yard because I didn't know how to spot correctly. I passed 1' by a tree and stopped 1' short of the picket fence. Tell me about embarrassing!! I was really thankful for ALL the people that talked to me about both situations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #53 August 4, 2005 QuoteI'm sure there are competent people at FAA with more experience investigating incidents than you do. Keep on digging son, keep on digging. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #54 August 4, 2005 Quote Keep on digging son, keep on digging. It's like watching a car crash, sliding into a ditch on ice in the winter. You can't turn away because its too fun to watch, while at the _same_ time, you know the person in the car really isn't enjoying it. And they can't hear you even if you tried to say something, because they have the windows rolled completely up. You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,049 #55 August 4, 2005 >I'm sure there are competent people at FAA with more experience > investigating incidents than you do. If there is an incident at the ranch someday soon, I think you may be suprised at who does the investigation. (hint - it may be one of the people you are currently badmouthing.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman32 0 #56 August 4, 2005 Quote Perhaps you will be safer at Cross Keys Ok, ok.... maybe CK really should not be the next stop. As you all know, we had a streak of bad luck this year, I hear the west coast has lovely DZs Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #57 August 4, 2005 Quote ... I hear the west coast has lovely DZs NO! The west coast sucks! No sunsets, only rain. No otters. No 8-way teams. No freeflying! Especially no hot chicks! No wonderful evenings with light caravan loads for a quick ride up! No steady cool breeze after the heat of the day has passed. No sunset loads where you are actually in FF during the sunset! No big, wide open landing areas! No beer - didn't you hear? No beer out west!! Only earthquakes and forest fires! No green grass from the spring rain! All the nice people are in NYC! I'm sure he'll be fine right there. You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #58 August 4, 2005 I left the rig after a jump in the packing area, stowed the brakes and uncollapsed the slider (completely, as I always do). When I returned later, Quote Maybe someone's way of telling you to move your gear...or pack it completely? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites heidihagen 0 #59 August 4, 2005 QuoteI would put down $10.00 that YOU did not... ...is that legal?!? veter- i can't understand what keeps you going back. different dz's draw different crowds. find one that fits you and let it go!!i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #60 August 4, 2005 This thread has greatly improved my safety and training abilities. I can't wait until it gets to page 5. By then, I should be a skygod... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #61 August 4, 2005 QuoteHave there been incidents caused by tampering with the equipment or known attempts of tampering? Yes! Every time I get down I find someone has collapsed my pilot chute! I always un-collapse it so that it will work when I next jump but then whenever I check my gear after a jump it's been collapsed! This is really scary shit man! They must be following me under canopy or something because it always works when I pitch out... I've never managed to catch them at it though. I think this is really dangerous because if I didn't undo their sabotage I could have a high speed PC in tow mal! I'm worried someone is out to get me because this has happened now on every jump since I got my own kit! I think maybe I'll have someone video my whole canopy flight to see who's doing it cos it's really freaking me out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites veter_ 0 #62 August 4, 2005 QuoteIf there is an incident at the ranch someday soon, I think you may be suprised at who does the investigation. (hint - it may be one of the people you are currently badmouthing.) Are you hinting that that person may forge the investigation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Stumpy 284 #63 August 4, 2005 QuoteIf there is an incident at the ranch someday soon, I think you may be suprised at who does the investigation. (hint - it may be one of the people you are currently badmouthing.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you hinting that that person may forge the investigation? OMG this just gets better!!! ROFL!!Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #64 August 4, 2005 You think he's wearing a red fez and stands there going "just like that, hehehe" ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Stumpy 284 #65 August 4, 2005 Blind man walked into a bar swinging a dog round his head.....Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brian425 0 #66 August 4, 2005 Quote Yes! Every time I get down I find someone has collapsed my pilot chute! That is the CRW guys. They are evil you know. B The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #67 August 4, 2005 QuoteThere have been cases, yes. The most recent probably being the Steven Hilder incident in UK, which I believe is still under investigation I think the cops ruled it suicide since the scissors used to cut his risers were found in his trunk with his fingerprints on them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #68 August 4, 2005 The Coroner however entered an open verdict. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #69 August 4, 2005 QuoteHave there been incidents caused by tampering with the equipment or known attempts of tampering? If you know any information, please share. Yes, I can think of a few right off my head. One was in Italy and the prson made a cover for the reserve pin. If you pulled the reserve handle the cover stayed and the reserve didn't open...Really nice work, very hard to see. Kirk Verners rig was sabotaged, the reserve riser was cut and the main bridle was also cut. A packer in Deland had a reserve riser cut. A friend of mine had a reserve riser cut. A guy in Germany cut the reserve cable, routed the cutter of the AAD around the loop packed his GF a mal. There are more. Quote My parachute may have been tampered with recently. I left the rig after a jump in the packing area, stowed the brakes and uncollapsed the slider (completely, as I always do). When I returned later, I noticed that one side of the slider was half collapsed. The key word being MAY. Chances are you just screwed up yourself. People do it, you would not be the first. I know a guy that accidently packed a guys rig with the slider completly stowed....It was an accident. How do I KNOW it was an accident? It was me that packed the rig. I had 20 jumps and had no idea that there were collapsable sliders. Quote If you don't pay close attention, the slider can be quartered without you noticing that it's half collapsed. More like your head up your ass. QuoteI experimented a little bit and it's virtually impossible to collapse the slider by accidentally stepping on it or on the lines. If you pull the lines, they tend to uncollapse the slider. Looks like the only way to collapse is to pull the tab on the slider. Or just forget to uncollapse it after the jump. Which is what most likely happend here. Also, it will not kill you anyway. QuoteSurely. If my equipment is tampered with again, I will take it to FAA office as it is. If I will be alive. If not, surely FAA will take it themselves. Ah the FAA is gonna ask a rigger what they think happend. And if you walk in the FAA office with a collapsed slider they are gonna ask you if you uncollapsed it....They are gonna ask you that alot once they realize that you collapsed it. And it will not kill you. I very much doubt the FAA will give a rats ass. And once they find out how you are calling wolf on here and SEVERAL others with tons more experince think you just forgot....Well good luck. You rant against the Ranch will hurt you in any investigation. And if you were really afraid and you still jump there you are quite foolish. Hey Mr. FAA guy: "I think this guy just forgot to unstow it, it happens."-Ron. AFF Instructor, Tandem Instructor, SL Instructor, Pro (expired), Member of the 82d Airborne Division Demo team (99-02), Private Pilot SEL. 3600 jumps over 13 years. And then slamming the people there will not help you any: QuoteAre you hinting that that person may forge the investigation? Jerm, how much are slots on this guy going for? He seems to be the kind of guy that will never admit to making a mistake and would rather try to blame anyone else than admit he screwed up....Guys like this are good to bet on."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #70 August 4, 2005 QuoteThe Coroner however entered an open verdict. I sit corrected.... What does that mean anyway? What is the "final word" I thought the cops ahd the final say?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #71 August 4, 2005 QuoteWhat does that mean anyway? What is the "final word" An open verdict means they don't know. The Coroner could not prove it was suicide and since there is a presumption against returning a verdict of suicide only clear evidence would have sufficed. As the Coroner also found no evidence whatsoever that a third party was involved, he could not return a verdict of unlawful killing either. The "final word" on the matter is therefore "dunno" and probably always shall be. QuoteI thought the cops ahd the final say? The police produced a report for the Coroner which is presented in open court. This is often persuasive but how much weight is placed upon it is a matter for the Coroner. In their report the Police stated that they had concluded that it was suicide. They provided the evidence upon which they had reached that conclusion. The Coroner however basically found that their report was based on significantly flawed evidence and contained rather poor logic. Sadly this did not make it into the papers at the time. I personally would have been rather more critical of the police than the Coroner was... he certainly had cause to be. In this case thankfully the cops didn't get the final say because whoever wrote their final report was a complete Muppet. Not that their conclusion wasn't right... I personally don't know... it could very well have been... but they would have been right by accident rather than through some kind of fantastic detective work. I guess one day I'll explain it all to the community. I wasn't going to post anything at the time because reporters were still sniffing round and I didn't want to end up quoted in a paper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites scotts 0 #72 August 4, 2005 QuoteNow you folks tell me, is this guy deranged or what? I mean really, we should stop reasoning with him - IT CANNOT BE DONE, as can be clearly seen from his posts. Mike, I agree 100%. It's seems we're all wasting our breath on this (what now may be a troll) issue. It just does not seem to be getting thru to the person involved. No matter though, he probably won't be very welcome anywhere he goes to jump. Mr. Big may be paying him a visit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sgt_ludy 0 #73 August 4, 2005 hehe, i´m really enjoying this thread safety and training is a very important topic to skydiving. thanks a lot for the great entertainment! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites veter_ 0 #74 August 4, 2005 QuoteAnd it will not kill you. You sound like a small tampering which will not kill me, is OK. QuoteI very much doubt the FAA will give a rats ass. If you very much doubt that FAA will give a rats ass about "cover for the reserve pin... Really nice work, very hard to see", "the reserve riser was cut and the main bridle was also cut", "cut the reserve cable, routed the cutter of the AAD around the loop", and "There are more", you may want to call them and find out. QuoteGuys like this are good to bet on. Go on, bet on my death. Also, I'm selling $100 tickets to my funeral. Be my guest! lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #75 August 4, 2005 it amazes me sometimes just how naive people can be. If you sit back and read ALL the post that have been referred to you, you will realize how stupid you sound. You accuse people of attempted murder by rig sabotage yet you still are going back to the very place you blame. IF anything is going on (which I just believe there ISNT anything going on) it would be your own fault. Theres a old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" Grow up, step aside and hope you find some discounted bowling shoes.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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heidihagen 0 #59 August 4, 2005 QuoteI would put down $10.00 that YOU did not... ...is that legal?!? veter- i can't understand what keeps you going back. different dz's draw different crowds. find one that fits you and let it go!!i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #60 August 4, 2005 This thread has greatly improved my safety and training abilities. I can't wait until it gets to page 5. By then, I should be a skygod... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #61 August 4, 2005 QuoteHave there been incidents caused by tampering with the equipment or known attempts of tampering? Yes! Every time I get down I find someone has collapsed my pilot chute! I always un-collapse it so that it will work when I next jump but then whenever I check my gear after a jump it's been collapsed! This is really scary shit man! They must be following me under canopy or something because it always works when I pitch out... I've never managed to catch them at it though. I think this is really dangerous because if I didn't undo their sabotage I could have a high speed PC in tow mal! I'm worried someone is out to get me because this has happened now on every jump since I got my own kit! I think maybe I'll have someone video my whole canopy flight to see who's doing it cos it's really freaking me out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veter_ 0 #62 August 4, 2005 QuoteIf there is an incident at the ranch someday soon, I think you may be suprised at who does the investigation. (hint - it may be one of the people you are currently badmouthing.) Are you hinting that that person may forge the investigation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #63 August 4, 2005 QuoteIf there is an incident at the ranch someday soon, I think you may be suprised at who does the investigation. (hint - it may be one of the people you are currently badmouthing.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you hinting that that person may forge the investigation? OMG this just gets better!!! ROFL!!Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #64 August 4, 2005 You think he's wearing a red fez and stands there going "just like that, hehehe" ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #65 August 4, 2005 Blind man walked into a bar swinging a dog round his head.....Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian425 0 #66 August 4, 2005 Quote Yes! Every time I get down I find someone has collapsed my pilot chute! That is the CRW guys. They are evil you know. B The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #67 August 4, 2005 QuoteThere have been cases, yes. The most recent probably being the Steven Hilder incident in UK, which I believe is still under investigation I think the cops ruled it suicide since the scissors used to cut his risers were found in his trunk with his fingerprints on them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #68 August 4, 2005 The Coroner however entered an open verdict. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #69 August 4, 2005 QuoteHave there been incidents caused by tampering with the equipment or known attempts of tampering? If you know any information, please share. Yes, I can think of a few right off my head. One was in Italy and the prson made a cover for the reserve pin. If you pulled the reserve handle the cover stayed and the reserve didn't open...Really nice work, very hard to see. Kirk Verners rig was sabotaged, the reserve riser was cut and the main bridle was also cut. A packer in Deland had a reserve riser cut. A friend of mine had a reserve riser cut. A guy in Germany cut the reserve cable, routed the cutter of the AAD around the loop packed his GF a mal. There are more. Quote My parachute may have been tampered with recently. I left the rig after a jump in the packing area, stowed the brakes and uncollapsed the slider (completely, as I always do). When I returned later, I noticed that one side of the slider was half collapsed. The key word being MAY. Chances are you just screwed up yourself. People do it, you would not be the first. I know a guy that accidently packed a guys rig with the slider completly stowed....It was an accident. How do I KNOW it was an accident? It was me that packed the rig. I had 20 jumps and had no idea that there were collapsable sliders. Quote If you don't pay close attention, the slider can be quartered without you noticing that it's half collapsed. More like your head up your ass. QuoteI experimented a little bit and it's virtually impossible to collapse the slider by accidentally stepping on it or on the lines. If you pull the lines, they tend to uncollapse the slider. Looks like the only way to collapse is to pull the tab on the slider. Or just forget to uncollapse it after the jump. Which is what most likely happend here. Also, it will not kill you anyway. QuoteSurely. If my equipment is tampered with again, I will take it to FAA office as it is. If I will be alive. If not, surely FAA will take it themselves. Ah the FAA is gonna ask a rigger what they think happend. And if you walk in the FAA office with a collapsed slider they are gonna ask you if you uncollapsed it....They are gonna ask you that alot once they realize that you collapsed it. And it will not kill you. I very much doubt the FAA will give a rats ass. And once they find out how you are calling wolf on here and SEVERAL others with tons more experince think you just forgot....Well good luck. You rant against the Ranch will hurt you in any investigation. And if you were really afraid and you still jump there you are quite foolish. Hey Mr. FAA guy: "I think this guy just forgot to unstow it, it happens."-Ron. AFF Instructor, Tandem Instructor, SL Instructor, Pro (expired), Member of the 82d Airborne Division Demo team (99-02), Private Pilot SEL. 3600 jumps over 13 years. And then slamming the people there will not help you any: QuoteAre you hinting that that person may forge the investigation? Jerm, how much are slots on this guy going for? He seems to be the kind of guy that will never admit to making a mistake and would rather try to blame anyone else than admit he screwed up....Guys like this are good to bet on."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #70 August 4, 2005 QuoteThe Coroner however entered an open verdict. I sit corrected.... What does that mean anyway? What is the "final word" I thought the cops ahd the final say?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #71 August 4, 2005 QuoteWhat does that mean anyway? What is the "final word" An open verdict means they don't know. The Coroner could not prove it was suicide and since there is a presumption against returning a verdict of suicide only clear evidence would have sufficed. As the Coroner also found no evidence whatsoever that a third party was involved, he could not return a verdict of unlawful killing either. The "final word" on the matter is therefore "dunno" and probably always shall be. QuoteI thought the cops ahd the final say? The police produced a report for the Coroner which is presented in open court. This is often persuasive but how much weight is placed upon it is a matter for the Coroner. In their report the Police stated that they had concluded that it was suicide. They provided the evidence upon which they had reached that conclusion. The Coroner however basically found that their report was based on significantly flawed evidence and contained rather poor logic. Sadly this did not make it into the papers at the time. I personally would have been rather more critical of the police than the Coroner was... he certainly had cause to be. In this case thankfully the cops didn't get the final say because whoever wrote their final report was a complete Muppet. Not that their conclusion wasn't right... I personally don't know... it could very well have been... but they would have been right by accident rather than through some kind of fantastic detective work. I guess one day I'll explain it all to the community. I wasn't going to post anything at the time because reporters were still sniffing round and I didn't want to end up quoted in a paper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scotts 0 #72 August 4, 2005 QuoteNow you folks tell me, is this guy deranged or what? I mean really, we should stop reasoning with him - IT CANNOT BE DONE, as can be clearly seen from his posts. Mike, I agree 100%. It's seems we're all wasting our breath on this (what now may be a troll) issue. It just does not seem to be getting thru to the person involved. No matter though, he probably won't be very welcome anywhere he goes to jump. Mr. Big may be paying him a visit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgt_ludy 0 #73 August 4, 2005 hehe, i´m really enjoying this thread safety and training is a very important topic to skydiving. thanks a lot for the great entertainment! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veter_ 0 #74 August 4, 2005 QuoteAnd it will not kill you. You sound like a small tampering which will not kill me, is OK. QuoteI very much doubt the FAA will give a rats ass. If you very much doubt that FAA will give a rats ass about "cover for the reserve pin... Really nice work, very hard to see", "the reserve riser was cut and the main bridle was also cut", "cut the reserve cable, routed the cutter of the AAD around the loop", and "There are more", you may want to call them and find out. QuoteGuys like this are good to bet on. Go on, bet on my death. Also, I'm selling $100 tickets to my funeral. Be my guest! lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #75 August 4, 2005 it amazes me sometimes just how naive people can be. If you sit back and read ALL the post that have been referred to you, you will realize how stupid you sound. You accuse people of attempted murder by rig sabotage yet you still are going back to the very place you blame. IF anything is going on (which I just believe there ISNT anything going on) it would be your own fault. Theres a old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" Grow up, step aside and hope you find some discounted bowling shoes.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
