F---er Shot my cat!!!!

[Hondo 0]

In Ohio, cruelty to animals is a 4th degree misdemeaner, with up to $1000 fine and six months in jail. If you call the police or sheriff the prosecuting attorney will decide whether or not to press charges.

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[billvon 2,990]

>I hope the dz steps up and does the right thing.

I'm thinking that the DZ may not want to get involved in cat harrassement issues in a ghetto a few blocks away. What good would come of that, exactly?

[waltappel 1]

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Why try to be the bigger man? The guy deserves to get the living piss beat out of him. No questions asked. No mercy shown.

2 Wrongs never make a Right, in that direction anachy lies Let justice run it's course (call the RSPCA/BlueCross * delete as regionally appropriate)

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Normally, I would agree with you completely. I can't stand cruelty to animals, though. Add to that the fact that in many states, e.g., Texas, the law views animals as property. The fact that they are living things and close companions is considered irrelevant.

Fuck that! Until law catches up with reality, there is no real justice in the case of cruelty to animals. As a pet "owner" I understand the intense anger that arises when another animal attacks my pet, but I don't view it as the animals fault--that's just the world they live in.

Cats, specifically, are free-roaming animals. They are territorial, yet have absolutely no respect for other animals' territory. If there is a continuing problem between a couple of cats, the owners need to work out something. If a cat owner is angry at a neighbor's cat, fine--spray water at the cat; make loud noises to scare the cat away; talk with the cat's "owner". Resort to shooting the cat with a pellet gun? I don't think so.

Walt

[JohnnyD 0]

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>I hope the dz steps up and does the right thing.

I'm thinking that the DZ may not want to get involved in cat harrassement issues in a ghetto a few blocks away. What good would come of that, exactly?

Not so much involved, just to say to the guy (assuming that he is a jumper) you're not welcome here anymore. That is not the kind of person or behavior we will accept. I'm on a tangent, but I'm hearing more and more bad stuff and no repercussions.

add: we both know it would be nice to see dzs in general take a more positive stand on a lot of things.

[tigra 0]

Maybe I am. Maybe I'm thinking of what would happen in our campground. You don't mess with people's pets, plain and simple. People don't like it when other people hurt animals, especially pets! And since our DZOs have a few cats wandering the campground, you can bet there would be hell to pay if someone was shooting at them! Hell, we had controversy when people were shooting raccoons.

[Steel 0]

I guess there are different ways by which people can react. And how you do so is a reflection of your values be it bad or good depending on who is judging. I have never had something quite that drastic happen to me so I don't know how I would react.
I can however think of something significantly less drastic that happened involving my pets and I know how I reacted. I will tell you the story.
This was back when I still lived in Jersey. I had a dog (behind a fence) that would bark at everybody that came by. Then this guy walks by with his two daughters and my dog ofcourse barks. So while I am watching, this guy tells his daughters to wait to the side and calls the dog over to the fence and then kicks the fence. So ofcourse, imediately chase him down and confront him, ask him what the hell he thinks he is doing. He says that he was justified because my dog scared his daughter. I literally picked him up and slammed him on the concrete. His daughters started crying. The police showed up and asked what happened. I explained everything and they did nothing. I never saw him kick my fence or chastise my dog again. I don't think he will. But if he did again, I would be sure to atleast break his nose the next time. That however is just me.

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Can't think of anything I need
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[waltappel 1]

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Bunch of posturing attitudes on the site today. Or at least big talkers showing off their poor judgement - but I bet the all the women are really impressed - maybe marking the territory is the next step, just peeing all over.

In my case, animal cruelty hits an extremely raw nerve. I think it's that way with a lot of people. Some people feel that way about kids. Personally, I could see someone beating a kid and, while it would really bother me and I would try and stop it, it would not bother me to anywhere near the degree that seeing someone beating an animal would. I'm not saying that my attitude is rational--rational thought has absolutely nothing to do with it. My feelings just come from a very gut level.

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I think stuff like this would happen less if people would just turn in the perps instead of 'taking it into their own hands'.

I think the laws regarding animal cruelty are extremely weak. There is no real justice when animals are merely considered "property", as they are in Texas.

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It's the whole reason the justice system exists.

The justice system in this country is a sick joke in a lot of instances. The way it treats people who are cruel to animals is but one example. There are simply situations where the "justice" system is not up to the task.

Walt

[Shark 0]

Dom,

I'm all for diplomatic resolutions, but this situation warrants
a good ass kicking to the perpetrator, whom incidentally is a coward.

Shark out.

[Steel 0]

Normally, I would agree with you completely. I can't stand cruelty to animals, though. Add to that the fact that in many states, e.g., Texas, the law views animals as property. The fact that they are living things and close companions is considered irrelevant.
Fuck that! Until law catches up with reality, there is no real justice in the case of cruelty to animals. As a pet "owner" I understand the intense anger that arises when another animal attacks my pet, but I don't view it as the animals fault--that's just the world they live in.

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I totally agree with this.

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Can't think of anything I need
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Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[homer 0]

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In any case, shooting a cat this way is a pisshead thing to do. Since he knows the cat, he could have come over and talked to you first. Strange how people completely skip the whole communication thing and go straight to knee"jerk" actions (like shooting a cat or vandalizing property).

All to avoid a little tiny bit of uncomfortably conversation.

Now my parents have a dog and a doggie door so he can go outside on his own. The neighbor has a cat that has on more than one occasion found his way into there house and used it as a litter box. The cat was even lock in for a week when they were out of town and locked up the doggie door. It was in my room when I came home from work at 3 am when I chased him out he ran strait for the doggie door and out side. He was even hiding under there bed one night till the dog sniffed him out.

Now, I don't know about you but if the neighbors cat comes into my house and pisses all over it I'm gonna shoot the little fuck and I have more than once with the BB gun. I'm still pissed I droped a 30 yard shot from my compound bow a foot shot of hips chest one evening.

As for the talking to the neighbor like civilized adults and his cat pissing in the house. Already tried he says he can't control what his cat does and where he pisses. Plus he's a drunk who enjoys starting fights with the neighbors. Sorry, in this case the cat must go.

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[waltappel 1]

You did the right thing.

Walt

[billvon 2,990]

>That is not the kind of person or behavior we will accept. I'm on a
> tangent, but I'm hearing more and more bad stuff and no
> repercussions.

If someone really screwed up one day and got a DUI driving home from your DZ, would you really want him banned there? I'm thinking that the DZ is more concerned with skydiving than drunk driving (or cat abusing.)

[rehmwa 2]

You have 3 choices, Walt

1 - use the system
2 - change the system
3 - become a criminal

If you assault another person, you deserve to go to jail. If the other person defends themself and you get hurt, they were in the right to defend themselves. In Steel's example, he should have been arrested (I like Steel, but that example did not reflect well). The cops did fail their duty. The 'fence kicker' should instead have gone later to see Steel and try to resolve it. Then, if not resolved, to the community to get the dog removed. Not just take out his frustration on the private property (fence).

It has nothing to do with the cat getting shot or the dog getting scared. It has only to do with a guy getting beat up in the Ghetto, or a man getting slammed to concrete and two little girls terrorized.....

There's a big difference between righteousness and 'self-righteousness'. I'm surprised at the global ignorance in recognizing the difference and what it means in terms of personal morals.

I'll stop here, as this thread is getting too SC for this fire. We are here to debate.

flame away

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[JohnnyD 0]

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If someone really screwed up one day and got a DUI driving home from your DZ, would you really want him banned there? I'm thinking that the DZ is more concerned with skydiving than drunk driving (or cat abusing.)

DUI on the way home, no. The willingness to abuse the safety and welfare of themselves, other jumpers, or their pets or property - yes. If the dz refuses to take a stance on it, jumpers are only left with the option of policing themselves.
-This is assuming legal action has been taken (which should obviously be the main course of action), the guy is even a jumper, and the dz has no opinion.

[rehmwa 2]

Homer, in your case, these guys think you should get beat up for killing their cat.

I don't think I'm the one you are disagreeing with. Also, sounds like ou tried to talk to the drunk, unruly owner. Capture the cat and turn it over to the locals. Kill it later if the problem is not resolved. Dom's case - people advise the tantrum response immediately instead of commending Dom on doing the correct initial thing. that's what stinks.

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[waltappel 1]

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You have 3 choices, Walt

1 - use the system
2 - change the system
3 - become a criminal

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flame away

No flames from me. I agree with what you are saying, but my thoughts on animal cruelty do not come from a rational place and I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions.

Walt

[Lindsey 0]

Here in my little part of the world, there would simply be no sympathy by neighbors or the police if my cat was in my neighbor's yard when all of this happened. As much as I love cats AND dogs, I've learned that the only way to keep them safe is to find a way to keep them on your property. People simply don't like other people's animals in their garbage, climbing on their cars, fighting with their pets in their back yards.

It's still wrong, though, and he's still an ass imho.

linz

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In my case, animal cruelty hits an extremely raw nerve. I think it's that way with a lot of people. Some people feel that way about kids. Personally, I could see someone beating a kid and, while it would really bother me and I would try and stop it, it would not bother me to anywhere near the degree that seeing someone beating an animal would. I'm not saying that my attitude is rational--rational thought has absolutely nothing to do with it. My feelings just come from a very gut level.


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The justice system in this country is a sick joke in a lot of instances. The way it treats people who are cruel to animals is but one example. There are simply situations where the "justice" system is not up to the task.

I COMPLETELY agree!

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[Casurf1978 0]

I hope this a hole gets what he deserves. Also hows the cat doing?

[hexadecimal 0]

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Homer, in your case, these guys think you should get beat up for killing their cat.

I don't think I'm the one you are disagreeing with. Also, sounds like ou tried to talk to the drunk, unruly owner. Capture the cat and turn it over to the locals. Kill it later if the problem is not resolved. Dom's case - people advise the tantrum response immediately instead of commending Dom on doing the correct initial thing. that's what stinks.

So you're going to kill the animal because it's owner doesn't have control of it? Do you have any idea how idiotic that sounds? How about just calling animal control, would that be too much work?

[Steel 0]

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In any case, shooting a cat this way is a pisshead thing to do. Since he knows the cat, he could have come over and talked to you first. Strange how people completely skip the whole communication thing and go straight to knee"jerk" actions (like shooting a cat or vandalizing property).

All to avoid a little tiny bit of uncomfortably conversation.

Now my parents have a dog and a doggie door so he can go outside on his own. The neighbor has a cat that has on more than one occasion found his way into there house and used it as a litter box. The cat was even lock in for a week when they were out of town and locked up the doggie door. It was in my room when I came home from work at 3 am when I chased him out he ran strait for the doggie door and out side. He was even hiding under there bed one night till the dog sniffed him out.

Now, I don't know about you but if the neighbors cat comes into my house and pisses all over it I'm gonna shoot the little fuck and I have more than once with the BB gun. I'm still pissed I droped a 30 yard shot from my compound bow a foot shot of hips chest one evening.

As for the talking to the neighbor like civilized adults and his cat pissing in the house. Already tried he says he can't control what his cat does and where he pisses. Plus he's a drunk who enjoys starting fights with the neighbors. Sorry, in this case the cat must go.

I am not by any means a cat lover, but I respect them as living things, that is not as somebody else's property but as living things. It bothers me to no end that so many people can not distinguish pets from property.
I can sympathize in your anger towards the cats owners for not keeping their cat under control. But I can not see how you can see killing their cat as getting back at them instead of just animal cruelty. Fact is that there are many cats that live on the streets without owners anyway. Are you going to start killing all of the ones that break into your house then? If they haven't yet, well then what if they do? I would try to find a way to keep them out as opposed to killing them. Maybe a doggy door is not such a good idea? Maybe getting up off the couch to let your dog out into the yard is the answer?
What kills me is that there seem to be no people out there with common sense and morality. We have the majority who are cruel or careless toward animal life and then we have the freak vegitarians that make up PETA. Why can't we have a middle ground?

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[rehmwa 2]

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Homer, in your case, these guys think you should get beat up for killing their cat.

I don't think I'm the one you are disagreeing with. Also, sounds like ou tried to talk to the drunk, unruly owner. Capture the cat and turn it over to the locals. Kill it later if the problem is not resolved. Dom's case - people advise the tantrum response immediately instead of commending Dom on doing the correct initial thing. that's what stinks.

So you're going to kill the animal because it's owner doesn't have control of it? Do you have any idea how idiotic that sounds? How about just calling animal control, would that be too much work?

highlighted in blue for your clarity. I actually like Steel's response to this one. Get rid of the doggy door.

Hope that clears up your outrage since you responded emotionally.

edit: I thought I was done here. guess not. good discussion though. BTW, for the real bleeding hearts, we had lots of cats on the farm and strays would show up we'd take care of and not all could get fixed all the time and we never always knes how many we'd have each year (though fixing a male cat is much easier that a dog if you're fast enough) and every spring would have to peel a few frozen carcasses off of the lawn. Not so much insensitive as just having a different perspective. Things are a bit different today in some places - not so much in others. Today, we paid good money for a cat to have in our home when we used to get a bunch free every spring.

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[dgskydive 0]

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I think perhaps you may be overestimating the outrage that ghetto residents will have at such a revelation.

don't underestimate them Bill. The ghetto is in a uproar right now. Seems the same personhas deon this to others animals as well and it is all coming to light now.

Check Pm

Dom

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I think perhaps you may be overestimating the outrage that ghetto residents will have at such a revelation.

don't underestimate them Bill. The ghetto is in a uproar right now. Seems the same personhas deon this to others animals as well and it is all coming to light now.

Check Pm

Shit Dom - call the authorities on the asswipe so the locals see some kind of perceived "justice" before one them gets tossed in jail for assault. Not everyone is a self assured and contained as you were.

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[livendive 8]

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In Ohio, cruelty to animals is a 4th degree misdemeaner, with up to $1000 fine and six months in jail. If you call the police or sheriff the prosecuting attorney will decide whether or not to press charges.

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(1) A person is guilty of animal cruelty in the second degree if, under circumstances not amounting to first degree animal cruelty, the person knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence inflicts unnecessary suffering or pain upon an animal.

(2) An owner of an animal is guilty of animal cruelty in the second degree if, under circumstances not amounting to first degree animal cruelty, the owner knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence:

(a) Fails to provide the animal with necessary food, water, shelter, rest, sanitation, ventilation, space, or medical attention and the animal suffers unnecessary or unjustifiable physical pain as a result of the failure; or

(b) Abandons the animal.

(3) Animal cruelty in the second degree is a misdemeanor.

(4) In any prosecution of animal cruelty in the second degree, it shall be an affirmative defense, if established by the defendant by a preponderance of the evidence, that the defendant's failure was due to economic distress beyond the defendant's control.

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(1) A person is guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree when, except as authorized in law, he or she intentionally (a) inflicts substantial pain on, (b) causes physical injury to, or (c) kills an animal by a means causing undue suffering, or forces a minor to inflict unnecessary pain, injury, or death on an animal.

(2) Animal cruelty in the first degree is a class C felony.

The misdemeanor version is punishable by up to a $1000 fine and 90 days in prison. Note this one could be applicable to someone who left their dog in a hot closed car without adequate precautions.

The maximum penalties for the felony version are a $10,000 fine and 5 years in prison...per violation.

Blues,
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