breadhead 0 #1 September 16, 2008 What is the purpose of the metal ring in the bridle attachment point, on the top skin of the canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #2 September 16, 2008 On some of the canopies this was in the design before the kill lines became so poluar and the metal ring kept us from pulling the top skin through the d-bags gromet maybe causing damage during deployment. On others the ring is used to attach the small link for the kill line designed pilot chute. I would venture if the ring is in the middle of the bridle attachment point it is the first point and if at the end it is the second (but it would work the same for the first point) . MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #3 September 16, 2008 What a funny question for a guy with such amount of jumps????Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NexGenSkydiver 0 #4 September 16, 2008 Funny that this is brought up this week. I was just talking about this last weekend because I wanna remove the metal rings on my pd canopies, but was advised by a person who works a pd that they would just put one back on and give me crap whenever it goes in for a reline. I dont mind the attachment point, it is just the metal ring I dont want considering it does nothing on my canopy except create a snag point for an rds line. Still waiting back to hear back from pd as to if they will sell them without that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
breadhead 0 #5 September 16, 2008 QuoteWhat a funny question for a guy with such amount of jumps???? From a well-respected manufacturer of skydiving gear, I honestly expected something more useful than mockery over my ignorance. My AFF-instructor used to say: in skydiving there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers... I would still very much appreciate hearing you explain the reasons for the metal ring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
breadhead 0 #6 September 16, 2008 Quoteit does nothing on my canopy except create a snag point for an rds line Two weeks ago, I had exactly the malfunction you describe. I'm more careful with stowing the rds line now, but I still wonder what the purpose of that metal ring is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #7 September 16, 2008 Been answered. But it sounds like for your current canopy it is not needed and an out dated item. if it is not attaching any thing (RDS removes this need) remove it. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
breadhead 0 #8 September 16, 2008 QuoteBeen answered Euhm, sorry Matt, I think I'm not really understanding your answer. It's probably me. The ring is in the middle, so your initial answer suggests (first point) that it is only useful in the case of no kill-line. Now, if that were the case, I'm sure the high-performance canopies (at least Velo's, Katana's) would not have the metal ring, since these are always to be used with a kill-line anyway. There must be something more to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #9 September 16, 2008 >What is the purpose of the metal ring in the bridle attachment point, on the > top skin of the canopy? To provide a location to lark's head some types of PC attachments, and to keep the webbing from pulling through the grommet. On hard-link PC connectors I generally attach the link to the webbing loop itself to reduce metal-on-metal pinch points (damages topskin.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #10 September 16, 2008 It is the same as what billvon said. Sounds like you do not need it as your using an RDS and do not pull the attchment point toward a d-bag gromet. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NexGenSkydiver 0 #11 September 16, 2008 I have been looking and I cant find a reason for the metal ring on the new dbags. Mirage, upt, and javelin all have the kill line/ bridle go threw the dbag metal grommet, so the metal ring does nothing. Also, I have never seen anyone connect there dbag/ kill line to the metal ring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #12 September 16, 2008 It depends on the canopy. If I recal most of the PD canopies have the ring in the middle of the attachmnet point. Others like Flight Concepts have it at the end (if the yhave one some models do not). Agian it was so we would not damage the canopies top skin. You may not find a reason now if your using a kill line and/or an RDS. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NexGenSkydiver 0 #13 September 16, 2008 i have a mirage and a micron, but also have used javelins. I am talking about pd canopies and I dont understand why pd would put it on if you would not like it or would wanna do away with it. Why would they put a new one on if you took it off? I am just wondering the questions and would like to hear from pd staff about why that is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #14 September 16, 2008 As I am not a PD employee you'll have to ask them. support@performancedesigns.com MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
breadhead 0 #15 September 16, 2008 Quotewould like to hear from pd staff about why that is. I sent them an email last weekend, I'll keep you informed when they reply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NexGenSkydiver 0 #16 September 16, 2008 i know you are not and I have also send a couple of them messages yesterday Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #17 September 16, 2008 i want to say it has to do with the patent on the canopy or something to that affect. if people take those off or if they stop building them without the ring then something could be out of wack. but i could be totally wrong.Slip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,426 #18 September 16, 2008 Hi bread, IMO, it is leftover from the days when the d-bag had a large #8 grommet in it. I have ALWAYS removed them from every canopy I have owned. Never a problem. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phildthedildo 0 #19 September 17, 2008 DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #20 September 23, 2008 RDS ?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phildthedildo 0 #21 September 23, 2008 NOT patent related Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #22 September 23, 2008 Removable Deployment System Most of the dedicated Swoopers have a system that once the canopy id open they can remove the slider, D-bag and Pilto Chute assembly. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #23 September 24, 2008 wow,,heard of the collapsable pc and tying off the slider,,but d-bag ? how does that work?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #24 September 24, 2008 I do not have one but I have seen a couple of different versions. Basically the Slider has a quick release set up and usually just leaves behind the rings once removed. Attached to the slider via a line of some sort is the d-bag and of course the pilot chute to the bag. One of the PRO Swoopers of CPC Pilots can probably post a pic of the set up they have, maybe try the swoopers forum. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #25 September 26, 2008 i wonder why the canopy makers dont just eliminate the metal ring in favor of just a webbing loop ?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
