Land a WingSuit? Y'all gotta be kiddin' me.

[PhreeZone 20]

>Kind of like an overgrown penguin, then...huh?

If you get the full waddle going on you can get to a decent clip.

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[ltdiver 3]

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>Kind of like an overgrown penguin, then...huh?

If you get the full waddle going on you can get to a decent clip.

Oh PLEASE post a video!!

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[kallend 2,026]

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I think Quade and I will agree what is landing a WS and what isn't for the purposes of our bet. No tricks, but nothing unreasonable either. As for injuries, scrapes, bruises, whatever, but nothing serious. If he hasinternal nbleeding, then it wasn't sucessful. If they have to use Kelvar in a WS to make it work, that's OK, it doesn't have to be a "stock" WS. Etc.

I have a feeling Quade and I will agree on the results and not argue over who wins. I thin it will be obvious, one way or the other.

Derek

Optimist. Of course there will be disagreement.

Just to take a different example, is a 104 way with 102 belly flyers and two freefliers the world record for largest hybrid? No-one agrees because there is no agreed upon definition.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Optimist. Of course there will be disagreement.

Pessimist, of course there won't be disagreement.

Now, if you and I were to bet, there would be disagreement. Quade and I can utilize common sense to avoid disagreement on whether or not they successfully land a WS.

Derek

[ltdiver 3]

December 4th article HERE.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[Bigwallmaster 0]

I'm with Quade; this landing of a wingsuit idea is absolutely absurd. I just have really bad feeling about the whole thing.

[turtlespeed 220]

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. . . absurd. I just have really bad feeling about the whole thing.

Isn't that what they said about flying a square parachute?

Isn't that what they said about jumping off of cliffs and into caves and off of antennea and bridges?

Isn't that what they said about throwing yourself or someone else out of a perfectly good airplane?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[VectorBoy 0]

A properly flown sugerglider descends slow enough, in the low 30s, and doesn't carry tons of forward speed to dissipate, much less than any of the suits that achieve the best glide ratios. One of those could be landed very soon. Not by me.

The landing surface wouldn't have to be flat but could indeed be steep and hopfully fluffy.

Its all crazy to me so I won't argue yes or no.

[flyingferret 0]

While I have no physics to back this up, I think most people arguing against don't either.

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[quade 4]

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A properly flown sugerglider descends slow enough . . .

You're talking about the cute little flying squirrel type marsupials -- right?

You really ought to look at the wingloading of one and see how that scales to human proportions.

A LONG time ago, when I was in the third grade or thereabouts, I read a book titled Me and Frumpet. The book doesn't look like it's currently in print. Maybe that's the problem with arm-chair engineering students these days.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[karenmeal 0]

I don't think he was talking marsupials..

I'm pretty sure that there is a wingsuit manufacturer called sugarglider or something?


Heres my guess: I think the guy will get close, maybe even do it on the first try, but it won't take long before he bounces.

To get a downward speed of near zero, wouldn't he have to dive his wingsuit to be able to plain out like that?

"Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham

[quade 4]

I didn't think they were actually in production yet -- just protos.

Hmmm . . . http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=29762;

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[HRHSkyPrincess 0]

And I wanna be one of 'em!! Floaty little thing I am.

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[Bigwallmaster 0]

Isn't that what they said about flying a square parachute?

Isn't that what they said about jumping off of cliffs and into caves and off of antennea and bridges?

Isn't that what they said about throwing yourself or someone else out of a perfectly good airplane?
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True.

And I guess I should have more specificly qualified my statement by saying that I think it absurd the idea of landing a wingsuit on "flat ground" without a parachute. All of the activities you mention involve parachutes. I think testing parachutes is much easier than testing whether a human being can land without a parachute. I do believe it's possible to land a wingsuit on a snow slope. With enough fresh snow on the right slope, it's possible. I have been skiing my whole life and have hucked very big cliffs landing at speeds well over 60 mph. In my mind the trajectory would be similar on a wingsuit, not the same, but similar. One key difference is that on skis you already have your legs/feet out in front of you to serve as a shock absorber. But landing a wingsuit on flat ground, with the current wingsuit designs I have seen, no way. How do you perform controlled tests for attempting this? It's not like you can put a dummy in a winsuit like you could a parachute. I understand that Luigi is going to flying a small parachute next to Jeb and all that, but if they are to do a flat ground landing at some point, Jeb will need to take that thing ultra low to determine whether it's realistic. Now I will say that I have never done a wingsuit BASE jump and therefore have never taken a wingsuit ultra low. Jeb most likely has. Perhaps that in and of itself shoots down all of us nay sayers!!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it! Regardless, good luck to Jeb and Luigi. . . .I hope they prove me wrong.

Cheers,

J.P.

[billvon 2,990]

>How do you perform controlled tests for attempting this?

1. Learn to ski jump, and the art of flying with skis on.

2. Get a small wingsuit and try the same.

3. Go to larger and larger wingsuits while learning to fly both the suit and the skis.

4. Start gliding further and further.

5. Once you can sustain a fixed glideslope and still land safely, try it from an airplane over a very large landing area. Bail by 1000 feet if you're not on glideslope (use a VASI system to make sure you're on slope.)

[turtlespeed 220]

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>How do you perform controlled tests for attempting this?

1. Learn to ski jump, and the art of flying with skis on.

2. Get a small wingsuit and try the same.

3. Go to larger and larger wingsuits while learning to fly both the suit and the skis.

4. Start gliding further and further.

5. Once you can sustain a fixed glideslope and still land safely, try it from an airplane over a very large landing area. Bail by 1000 feet if you're not on glideslope (use a VASI system to make sure you're on slope.)

Why is it a requirement ot land on your feet. Kevlar or whatever newest fangled tech has for body armour and belly slide. Some kind of mech on the shoes could be used as breaks and rudders. Perhaps - and this is just an Idea - make a wingsuit with a snowboard built into it. (TM)

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Bigwallmaster 0]

>How do you perform controlled tests for attempting this?

1. Learn to ski jump, and the art of flying with skis on.

2. Get a small wingsuit and try the same.

3. Go to larger and larger wingsuits while learning to fly both the suit and the skis.

4. Start gliding further and further.

5. Once you can sustain a fixed glideslope and still land safely, try it from an airplane over a very large landing area. Bail by 1000 feet if you're not on glideslope (use a VASI system to make sure you're on slope.)

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I like this idea. Sounds very logical to me.

cheers,

J.P.

[Zenister 0]

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just curious, I'm a new jumper... would it be considered a landing if Jeb was to fly a wingsuit into a suspended net?

i was kind of wondering something along those lines as well...

do carrier landings 'not count' because of the tail hook?

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[quade 4]

For the purposes of this bet . . . anyone that makes use of the arresting gear on an aircraft carrier . . . I'll grant that as a "landing" as long as all the other requirements are met.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[mcrocker 0]

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For the purposes of this bet . . . anyone that makes use of the arresting gear on an aircraft carrier . . . I'll grant that as a "landing" as long as all the other requirements are met.

Damn, I'd hate to be a foot low on that approach

[christoofar 0]

How about we just have someone run a hang-glider with a GO FAST! logo on the wing, land it, and call it a day, huh?

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[GodspeedsC5 0]

How true of a wingsuit must it be to be considered it landing a wingsuit? What if you construct a canopy/wingsuit hybrid such that the wing of the wingsuit has a release you pull that further inflates it into a larger canopy that is flareable and landable? I could see a design like that working safely.

[billvon 2,990]

Saw the video of Jeb and Luigi last night. It was taken with a telephoto and was a little jittery, but as far as I could tell, Jeb was able to match Luigi's descent rate only momentarily with Luigi in full flight. Given that full flight on that canopy is probably fatal - they may have some work to do. Perhaps there have been more successful jumps.

[Zoter 0]

I reckon in the volumes of history its never gonna be considered a 'true' wingsuit landing until someone does it 'sans parachute container'
Even so....props to all involved for trying, and although I really really want it to happen without someone gettin' hurt.........well...

I just hope no idiot is 'racing' to do this to be the first whilst putting safety on the backburner

Sure Jeb is gunning for it.......but I'll bet theres a few personalities in the East....er...hmmm.....Mr Pecnik who surely must be on the same wavelength.

I hear a few reports of peeps who ahve already done it.....albeit assisted by ski slopes or water landings....
Its 2004 ...video talks, bullshit....er......you know the rest

Good luck Jeb and all involved.....

[mjosparky 4]

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HH's latest poll shows a lot of folks believe this is possible, but even if you managed to plane out and drop the verticle speed down to zero, you'd still have a heck of a lot of forward speed and you'd be landing on your belly!

Can somebody explain to me how they think this might be done?


quade


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Hey Paul,

It was tried over 50 years ago. Nothing new. If the laws of physics haven't changed since then, I bet the results will be the same.

Bird Man

Sparky

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