brits17 0 #26 July 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe stress level of a pro golfer is very high. I can imagine! What consequence when the little ball doesn't go in the hole... another shot! Wow. What a price to pay! It's a bit like when a swoop goes wrong. You get another try - if you're a Buddhist - in your next life. Golfers are not "athletes" even by the futherest stretch of that term. from Oxford... "Athlete" - Person who is good at Athletics. "Athletic" - Muscular and physically active. "Athletics" - Sport, esp running and jumping. t You have GOT to be kidding... Have you not seen how ripped Tiger is physically? And how far he can crush that little white ball? The average Joe golfer cannot even drive 75% of his distance. He is also the best putter on tour (besides Phil Mickelson). I'm sorry, but I've played sports all my life. Golf is the most mentally draining, requires the most focus, and is a high amount of stress. Lug your clubs around the course all day... I have many times in over 100 degree temperatures. Then, as true athletes, don't stop there. Can't forget a warm-up at the range and if the round goes bad, back to the range again. As Larry Bird shot 500 free throws and made them before he went off to school for the day, Tiger (and can't forget Vijay Singh) has hit golf balls from sun up to sun down. Even during a major tournament he has been known to go to the driving range until he could not hit anymore to tweak out a problem. There is truly an obvious difference b/w an 'athletic' swing and one that is haywire. To be a good golfer, one has to be a good athlete. This is the case 99% of the time. PS- I 'swoop' too, but I'll tell ya what, golf has a lot more aspects to the game than executing a good swoop. In terms of hand/eye coordination, mental focus, and attentional span. _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #27 July 25, 2005 Quote I havn't ridin a bike in months but I don't think I will suck at it next time I get on one. Trust me, while you might be able to get on the bike and pedal it will take time to build back up the cadance, strength, and endurance to go 50-100 miles on the road bike. Or if mountain biking is your thing it's strength, endurance, timing, and technique. It's killer for me coming back after the winter, getting back into shape for outdoor climbing, biking, hiking and running. Even though in the winter I indoor climb, snowboard, and go to the gym regularly. Oh and I don't think you can compare the two sports. Both Lance and Tiger have done great things and both have gotten new generations into their sports. Honestly how many people heard of the Tour de France before Lance, and how many people cared about the PGA tour before Tiger? Honestly I hadn't/didn't.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflygoddess 0 #28 July 25, 2005 HMmmmm tough one, being that I have both played golf and rode a bike before I know how hard each one is.....I say........ those curling guys in the olimpics....yeah that seems way harder....so much sweeping....sweeping is hard and not fun...I hate sweeping...infact I hate most cleaning but I hate dirty messy things more.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 July 25, 2005 QuoteComparing Tour De France cyclicsts to Golf "Athletes" is the same as comparing the SPORTS of Chess and Skydiving. you do realize that the skills required for skydiving (precision, control, awareness, mental strength, general fitness rather than targetted building) are more akin to golf than they are to cycling. In that case, is your analogy stating the you think cycling is equivalent to Chess? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #30 July 25, 2005 since when was golf a sport Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vid666 0 #31 July 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteComparing Tour De France cyclicsts to Golf "Athletes" is the same as comparing the SPORTS of Chess and Skydiving. you do realize that the skills required for skydiving (precision, control, awareness, mental strength, general fitness rather than targetted building) are more akin to golf than they are to cycling. In that case, is your analogy stating the you think cycling is equivalent to Chess? Hypothetically speaking, IN MY OPINION : It's alot more likely for an active cyclist to become a skydiver than for an active golfer to become a skydiver. OTHER WAY AROUND : It's alot more likely for an active chess player to try golf, rather than skydiving. Now, please remember, opinions are not to be argued over ... Also, just to clarify : I do understand that golf is not just "hitting the ball around". I understand people are REALLY, REALLY stressed to get that little metal thing in a little hole far away. I also understand it takes a very trained and exercised individual to hit a long shot that is also on-heading. But I am convinced that though there are plenty of people who can do both, the best cyclist WILL NEVER BE the best golfer, and the other way around. Point being - I believe, and Oxford agrees, that for an ACTIVITY to be considered a SPORT - a certain amount of physical exertion needs to be had. Yes, mental too, though considering that body building is a sport, that could be questionable - but that would be leaning away from the conversation . Anyways, if you think that one spends the same amount of mental and physical strength as well as stamina to win Tour de France as one spends to win a golf tournament - well, I simply don't agree with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #32 July 26, 2005 I have a very high regard for both of them and they play very different games. But Lance seems to be the more consistent, where Tiger's had good and bad years throughout Lance's extrodinary winning streak. And Lance has come back from a cancer that killed one of my brothers. Plus he's boning Sheryl Crow... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airbender 0 #33 July 26, 2005 From what I've read on this site climbing and bullriding are the only true sports. "Must be fit to paticipate and great chance of death." I've been climbing for over 10 years its heady and physical never ridden a bull though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #34 July 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe stress level of a pro golfer is very high. I can imagine! What consequence when the little ball doesn't go in the hole... another shot! Wow. What a price to pay! It's a bit like when a swoop goes wrong. You get another try - if you're a Buddhist - in your next life. Golfers are not "athletes" even by the futherest stretch of that term. from Oxford... "Athlete" - Person who is good at Athletics. "Athletic" - Muscular and physically active. "Athletics" - Sport, esp running and jumping. t The only golfer I've ever had any fun watching was Happy Gilmore. Tiger has great skills with a golf ball. Golf is mostly mental. Cycling in the Tour De France is one of the hardest physically-demanding sporting events you'll ever do. You put your body through hell. Very few have ever been able to master both the time-trials and the mountain stages. Lance is the all-time greatest."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #35 July 26, 2005 golf is mostly mental....but so is baseball and no one is questioning it's quality as a "sport".... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #36 July 26, 2005 I wasn't talking about Tiger specifically. The dedication you describe is true of any top athlete, from Schumacher to Messner. I was talking about golf, stress and consequence. It's a game, not a sport, and I can assure you that Tiger never got his muscles from golf. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #37 July 26, 2005 Quotegolf is mostly mental....but so is baseball and no one is questioning it's quality as a "sport".... baseball is FAR from 'mostly mental'. While the mental component is very important between peer athletes. anyone who isnt at the same leve in training and general physical ability, is simply non competitive no matter what their 'mental game' the same cannot be said of golfers who (unless they carry their own clubs the entire course) expend very little (comparatively) actual energy in the performance of their game..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #38 July 26, 2005 QuoteLance dominated one race, on the same course every year. as far as i know the stages are changed every year. Yes that stage has probly been in the tour before, just like tiger has played on a certain course many times before. The conditions in both sports change with each race. Rain and wind have an equal effect of the participants performance. What Tiger has done a few other people have done (two grand slams). NO ONE has EVER won 7 tours in a row. People who say he couldn't win without his team...............If teams weren't allowed and every racer was on his own I have sneaking suspision that Lance would still kick the shit out of them. Oh and there is a great deal of thinking done on the tour as well its not all pedaling around to the finish line. One of the reasons Lance won those races is b/c he can think pretty damn well after several hours of riding with his heart rate at 130-150 bpm. that post about the Five time gold medalist is extremely inpressive!!I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
udder 0 #39 July 26, 2005 baseball a physical game? what a joke. We got some national baseballers who use the gym and those guys are bitches. Running 50m between some squares? Real tough men. They are by far the weakest and most inept 'athletes' there, though they do have skills are are great at what they do."In one way or the other, I'm a bad brother. Word to the motherf**ker." Eazy-E Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #40 July 26, 2005 tell you what, i've got a radar gun.. lets see you throw say... 60mph.. and keep it even in a mansized tgt area, much less an ever changing strike zone.. how fast can you run 50m? can you stop on a dime? how about actually hit a real home run? do you believe you even have the visual acuity to pick up a 90mph (slow in ML terms) fastball, better yet see and react to one thats moving closer to 120mph right at you and catch it?? can you catch a deep fly ball (at a full sprint no less) and throw it all the way to home in one motion?? you dont know what the fuck you are talking about....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
udder 0 #41 July 26, 2005 dude those are all skills. Im a rower who trains 12 times a week going for national team selections next year. Trust me when i say anyone who participates in an athlectic sport will suffer alot more for the sake of victory than a baseball player. Armstrong is a fuckload tougher than any golfer. or baseball player. Who trains harder? More often? Give lactic acid tolerance testing a go and tell me what you think. ps I'd rather be great at table tennis player. And all that shit you listed requires no particular great physical conditioning. Above average fitness is not hard training. edited for sp."In one way or the other, I'm a bad brother. Word to the motherf**ker." Eazy-E Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #42 July 26, 2005 i guess you've met alot of professional baseball players then? i know they tour regularly thru AUS again you dont know what the fuck you are talking about... maybe you should come out to one of the spring training 'dream' camps sometime.. see how you feel after day 2.. all of those 'skills' (by your definition EVERY activity a human can perform is 'a skill' so what??) require a great deal of athletic prowess to perform, if you think that what you see in MLB games everyday is 'average athletics' you are sadly mistaken.. hell i'd like to see you consistently throw a 40 mph baseball on target (strike zone)...then watch while a 12 year old can hit it.. every MPH faster requires a great deal of training and conditioning, both on the part of the hitter to adjust to and the pitcher to deliver... a proper pitch is a VERY difficult thing to do consistently..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
udder 0 #43 July 26, 2005 well shit. what do you know. we came second at the olympics. think before you post. i also know olympians from rowing, running, swimming and cycling. perhaps i know alot more about elite sport than you. olympic baseballers disagree with you man. get over it."In one way or the other, I'm a bad brother. Word to the motherf**ker." Eazy-E Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RfukfreeflyingW 0 #44 July 26, 2005 you people have got to stop comparing it to only sport you know, and except the fact that just because you dont expend so much energy your about to kill yourself, doesnt make it any less a sport, or anyless an althete I mean everybody know that Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer. But seriously Lance isnt great people he can expend energy, he's great because he knows the limits on his body. he knows when to push it, and when to let people sprint by win. The same goes for everyone that is great, because those that go all out, will eventually get tired. its about stamina, and thats what you see in golf and baseball. I bet if Lance's foot pedals 10 degrees to the right then he normally does, it doesnt screw up his race. try hitting a golf ball 72 times in a round being off 10 degrees, bet you end up hitting it more like 120 time! And as far as baseball, it takes the most skill out of anything to hit a 100 mph fastball, or a 80 mph cureball that drops to the ground right as you swing, and if you havent been in the batters box when thats happened, you just dont know. it requires alot of muscle, and alot of endurence to last a 162 game season. It may not be indivduals as challenging aerobic wise, but to me just because you can expend energy, doesnt make you special. I can expend engery. when you have to combine skills, mental and physical, like recognizing the pitch 1/10 of a second after it leaves the pitchers hand, or hitting a ball so it has enough spin to stay on a green at shinacock. or not have your hands an inch in front of the club head at follow through. there are so many more aspects to master in golf, or baseball. then anyother sport I can think of. Cycliing is more physical challenging, but golf is a much more challenging sport to master, and dominate. I know lots of people that can ride a bike 100+ miles, I dont know too many people that could make a cut at the U.S Open, or hell even qualify for it at a course thats 1/10th as challenging---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #45 July 26, 2005 QuoteI know lots of people that can ride a bike 100+ miles, I dont know too many people that could make a cut at the U.S Open, or hell even qualify for it at a course thats 1/10th as challenging Thats like saying I know lots of people who can hit a golf ball round a course but i don't know many who could complete the tour de france - you are not comparing the same thing.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #46 July 26, 2005 Why do we have to compare. Why don't we just say that they are both challenging sports and each have worked VERY hard to get where they are. I respect both. Who cares who is the best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #47 July 26, 2005 QuoteI respect both. Who cares who is the best. We do.better athlete. You respect both - but you voted for one. The poll is very clear. Golfers, and by definition others who stand still and swing a stick at a ball are 2nd class citizens, and the vast majority of skydivers think that riding a bicycle (and doing Sheryl Crow) is WAY cooler than riding a golf cart, wearing half a cap and following your ball around while some other dude carries your bag. I love democracy! Tiger is doing WAY worse than Kerry did! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RfukfreeflyingW 0 #48 July 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteI know lots of people that can ride a bike 100+ miles, I dont know too many people that could make a cut at the U.S Open, or hell even qualify for it at a course thats 1/10th as challenging Thats like saying I know lots of people who can hit a golf ball round a course but i don't know many who could complete the tour de france - you are not comparing the same thing. Ok then, I know lots of people that can ride a bike 100+ but not many that can break par on a public course in their town, is that a closer comparison? And what I said wasn't the same, I never said compete in the U.S. Open, I said make the cut, and then lowered my standards to just qualify for the field. I am betting many people can ride the tour de france, not many can compete. Which is the same in golf, but riding the tour de france is just endurence, anyone can work their way there, winning it is skill, very few can work their way there Qualifying for a major, or any PGA tourney isn't that easy, I can give thousands of people clubs for years, and they'd never be able to make their way to that. Not to mention that IF you can actually qualify THEN you have to make the cut against the best in the world. If I gave 1000 people golf clubs, and 1000 people bikes, and told then to train for the U.S open, and the tour de france respectivly, MAYBE 1 Might make the open, probably none, I'm betting ALOT could RIDE the tour, nonoe would probably compete though I'll agree to that---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #49 July 26, 2005 Quote Golfers, and by definition others who stand still and swing a stick at a ball are 2nd class citizens, and the vast majority of skydivers think that riding a bicycle (and doing Sheryl Crow) is WAY cooler than riding a golf cart, wearing half a cap and following your ball around while some other dude carries your bag. That's funny. I know world champion skydivers, ie. Tim Strauss, Chris Talbert, etc. who love golf more than skydiving. They like the challenge. More challenging than flying here and grab and flying there and grab. Golf is more than just hitting a ball into a hole. The beauty of the scenery, the relaxation yet stress of the SPORT. There are a lot of skydivers that golf. I guess in Africa if your not skydiving then you are out scratching sleeping lions balls with a hot fork. In America we don't have lions so we golf. So why don't you get your horse Scout and ride off into the sunset. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RfukfreeflyingW 0 #50 July 26, 2005 My phone won't let me edit for some reason, so Edited to add: I did misread the word complete to say complete, but my point still stands---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
