livendive 8 #26 July 25, 2005 QuoteNot even if it is a student or tandem rig owned by the DZ? In that case the DZ should have built the cost of a replacement canopy into their rental prices. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #27 July 25, 2005 Funny you should bring this up. I just had my first cutaway Saturday. Hop n pop from 3500', line twists, canopy was spinning up faster than I could bicycle, so I chopped it. Reserve was repacked the previous day, so I ended up paying for two reserve repacks, jump ticket, bottle of tequila, and a case of beer. Ended up spending about $150, with one jump to show for it. (I know $150 is worth the alternative, not the point here though). The packer was pretty embaressed, and there were alot of wide eyed students and newbies with his packjobs on their backs, so I just patted him on the shoulder, laughed, and told him that when I find my main, I expect him to pack it again. This was to show onlookers (and the packer) that I was confident in his packjobs, and sometimes things just go wrong. If I had lost my main, then I guess I should have kept a better eye on where it came down! In short, I agree with everyone else. JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arlo 0 #28 July 25, 2005 QuoteDo the packers at your DZ get charged for all or part of the cost of a lost cutaway main that they packed? I'm not talking about a reserve re-pack but for the replacement cost of the main? no. why should they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #29 July 25, 2005 QuoteYou should set your own brakes and make sure your lines are clean before giving it to a packer. I disagree with this. While it might be nice to do these these things before the packer takes over, they are still part of packing, and I would be severely pissed if I didn't do them and paid a packer only to find out that they had not done them either. The packer's responsibility is to pack the rig in the condition that it is given to them. Sometimes that take more or less work. Just part of the job. And as a packer, if someone gives you such a huge ball of shit that you aren't willing to pack it, because it is more work than you want to do, you have every right to refuse to pack it. On the other hand the first thing I do after landing is put my brake toggles back in their keepers on the risers, so that my brake lines don't get more twisted than they have to. Of course I don't use packers either, because I like to know how my canopy was packed, just in case I have an opening I don't like and want to be able to change something on the next pack job to fix it. "Your mother's full of stupidjuice!" My Art Project Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #30 July 25, 2005 QuoteI would be severely pissed if I didn't do them and paid a packer only to find out that they had not done them either. Most packers will set the brakes if they are not set. However, everyone should set their own brakes before giving it to a packer. This is standard at most dropzones. I say most packers because I jumped my rig with the brakes not set. I used a packer and she didn't notice the brakes weren't set. It was my fault because I did not set them. I paid for the reserve repack. Also bought the rigger a bottle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #31 July 25, 2005 QuoteNo. 5 or 6 dollars per pack job does not allow them to accumulate enough spare capital to repay losses. You must not have busy packers, Rob. The highest paid employee at Raeford Parachute Center is Liz Comp, a packer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #32 July 25, 2005 QuoteYou must not have busy packers, Rob. The highest paid employee at Raeford Parachute Center is Liz Comp, a packer. BootyMonkey. That girl has quite the booty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #33 July 25, 2005 No. That would be lame.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ncrowe 0 #34 July 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteI would be severely pissed if I didn't do them and paid a packer only to find out that they had not done them either. Most packers will set the brakes if they are not set. However, everyone should set their own brakes before giving it to a packer. This is standard at most dropzones. I say most packers because I jumped my rig with the brakes not set. I used a packer and she didn't notice the brakes weren't set. It was my fault because I did not set them. I paid for the reserve repack. Also bought the rigger a bottle. I disagree ,like pointed out previously setting the brakes is part of packing a parachute. If I did not set my brakes ...I usually do but not always ...and the packer didn't check them I'd be pretty pissed off...you are paying 5-6 dollars for a service and usually there is a tip involved at the end of the day ..I expect to have my brakes at least looked at... "Don't Mess Around With the Guy in Shades- Oh No!!! " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #35 July 25, 2005 I'll tell you one thing. Don't put your brakes in the keepers and not stow them. At a quick glance, they look stowed, so it can be deceiving. Don't ask me how I know this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #36 July 25, 2005 Of course, Liz is in a class by herself. I've never seen someone tear through tandem rigs like she does- probably seven minutes a pack? I watched her pack several in a row trying to pick up the technique, but I have no idea how she does that without hardly breaking sweat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mirage63 0 #37 July 25, 2005 1. You buy a pack job the PACKER PACKS it - ALL of it. That means setting the brakes, cocking the PC ALL of it. 2. You cut it away and lose it, it's YOUR tough luck. 3. When a packer acts like they hate life, I find another packer, when a packer has a good attitude I feel better about the pack job, I know that they can have a bad attitude but pack great, but I FEEL better when they don't seem like they want to put a bullet in there head because they are packing. 4. Pay. It's hard hard work. Everybody that jumps knows that but it pays pretty good IF the dz has enough customers, for a part time (weekend) job. If your trying to raise a family of four at a weekend dz - find another job. 5. Tips. If the packer demands brakes being set as a rule, and if I don't feel like packing, than I lower my tip. If they are swamped and have a friendly attitude then the tip stays the same. But - I set my brakes because it makes me feel more comfortable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #38 July 25, 2005 QuoteI disagree ,like pointed out previously setting the brakes is part of packing a parachute. If I did not set my brakes ...I usually do but not always ...and the packer didn't check them I'd be pretty pissed off...you are paying 5-6 dollars for a service and usually there is a tip involved at the end of the day ..I expect to have my brakes at least looked at... I agree with ya. Setting the brakes is nice, but not required. Most of my customers set their brakes, unstow the slider, but some of them don't. I treat them all the same anyway. They're paying me to do a job, and i do it. And that means checking the brakes, checking the slider, checking the pilot chute etc. (Amy Jo, don't be getting any ideas about not setting your brakes anymore...) ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #39 July 25, 2005 QuoteI always four line my canopy, cock my pilot chute, and set my brakes before laying the gear down for someone else to pack. I also four line, uncollapse slider, and set brakes prior to using a packer (rare now) ... But cocking the PC I dont do, simply because I've noticed that if I cock my PC prior to getting my canopy to the point that it will stay on the ground until int he bag, the PC becomes un-cocked again when I have the canopy hanging off of my sholder... But anyway, I feel that a packer is in no way responsible for your opening.. Shit happens. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
