MakeItHappen 15 #51 June 20, 2005 Quote Fake or real boobies?? There are advantages to both. Girls if you had the cash to buy a set of of breasts the exact way you want them would you??? Guys which would you rather play with?? [sarcasm] Kool. I was wondering how I could get more votes at the next election. Vote for me because I have the biggest Boobs - and they are real. [/sarcasm] When I was a girl, my Mom took me to the store to get a 'training bra'. I had no idea of what that meant. It was a padded bra that girls wore before their bodies sprouted the real thing. It was training for the societal expectations that women needed to be busty to be noticed or valued. I believe you omitted the option of no breasts. Many women have had double mastectomies for various reasons. They paid money for that too. Their life is more important than their Boobies. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonRose 0 #52 June 20, 2005 Quote Maybe I'm a sick messed up freak, but just knowing that they are fake (regardless of the quality of the boob-job) makes her less attractive to me. Freak Some day I will have the best staff in the world!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #53 June 20, 2005 Quote When I was a girl, my Mom took me to the store to get a 'training bra'. I had no idea of what that meant. It was a padded bra that girls wore before their bodies sprouted the real thing. It was training for the societal expectations that women needed to be busty to be noticed or valued. ..I'm not really with you on that one. That sounds like more of a personal spin on what the thing was, or maybe what your mother told you...the training bra was getting used to wearing such equipment, as it is kind of uncomfortable for young girls to wear this 'harness' to begin with. I really think if it was anything, it was training so that the girls who had already 'sprouted' didn't feel embarrassed because they already required said harness at 12 years old... <--I felt bad for my friends that were so awkwardly endowed at such a young age. Myself, I didn't actually acquire anything at all until 16 years old, but when they got here, they certainly 'arrived'. -PS, I never saw a training bra with padding? Maybe we are talking about different times, but training bras were just white bras that really did nothing except get you used to the whole get-up... Quote I believe you omitted the option of no breasts. Many women have had double mastectomies for various reasons. They paid money for that too. Their life is more important than their Boobies. . That is a really good point. -Some of those women, however, like my auntie, did have replacements/enhancements. In this case, having real breasts was not worth her life, however, having a similar shape to what she was used to was important for her. I would hate to think that anyone would begrudge the lady that (not that you were, just some others that seemed to think that any help in that area was just 'unacceptable' I wonder if those people would see it as "ritualistic mutilation" still if they had a double masectomy and were trying to feel comfortable again). I will opt for reconstructive surgery if it comes to that; I don't particularly care about people that are appalled at it. It's my body and I will feel comfortable in it. I had another auntie that did not opt for the reconstructive surgery or any enhancements. I have another friend that is very athletic in her 40's and decided to have hers enhanced to balance out her frame so she would enjoy what she saw in the mirror wearing a little black dress. We are all the owners of our own bodies, and we have/will each choose what is best for us. I had a really smart-ass comment for people that are so anti-surgery, but I'll save it. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #54 June 20, 2005 Quote ..I'm not really with you on that one. That sounds like more of a personal spin on what the thing was, or maybe what your mother told you...the training bra was getting used to wearing such equipment, as it is kind of uncomfortable for young girls to wear this 'harness' to begin with. I really think if it was anything, it was training so that the girls who had already 'sprouted' didn't feel embarrassed because they already required said harness at 12 years old... <--I felt bad for my friends that were so awkwardly endowed at such a young age. Myself, I didn't actually acquire anything at all until 16 years old, but when they got here, they certainly 'arrived'. -PS, I never saw a training bra with padding? Maybe we are talking about different times, but training bras were just white bras that really did nothing except get you used to the whole get-up... Perhaps there is a generational gap here. I was talking about c 1970. Somehow, I get the feeling that you were not even born by then. My sister and I both had padded training bras. BTW, have you ever heard of a 'training jock strap'? - me neither Quote That is a really good point. -Some of those women, however, like my auntie, did have replacements/enhancements. In this case, having real breasts was not worth her life, however, having a similar shape to what she was used to was important for her. I would hate to think that anyone would begrudge the lady that (not that you were, just some others that seemed to think that any help in that area was just 'unacceptable' I wonder if those people would see it as "ritualistic mutilation" still if they had a double masectomy and were trying to feel comfortable again). I will opt for reconstructive surgery if it comes to that; I don't particularly care about people that are appalled at it. It's my body and I will feel comfortable in it. I had another auntie that did not opt for the reconstructive surgery or any enhancements. I have another friend that is very athletic in her 40's and decided to have hers enhanced to balance out her frame so she would enjoy what she saw in the mirror wearing a little black dress. We are all the owners of our own bodies, and we have/will each choose what is best for us. The whole point of my previous post was to get folks to realize that women that may have 'fake' breasts might have them because of a medical condition, namely breast cancer. Some of the earlier posters may not have considered this. I hope they would see that there are situations where artificial breasts are appropriate or that a woman with a double mastectomy may wish to have no breasts at all. I would hope that they think about what they said and how that may come across to a woman that has or may one day have breast cancer. Society's emphasis on breast size and carriage leaves much to be desired. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #55 June 20, 2005 Quote Perhaps there is a generational gap here. I was talking about c 1970. Somehow, I get the feeling that you were not even born by then. My sister and I both had padded training bras. BTW, have you ever heard of a 'training jock strap'? - me neither You're right. c 1970 I was not a twinkle in my daddy's eye yet... I guess 1970 was different than 1985 for girls' undies. Thankfully I think we got a better deal then 1970, and it seems to be going the right direction in that respect. (<--Realizing that I will have to go through 'what these things are for' with my daughter in 3 years. ) I don't think boys have a training jock strap because it isn't a necessary daily article of clothing, whereas a bra (for most of us) is. Quote The whole point of my previous post was to get folks to realize that women that may have 'fake' breasts might have them because of a medical condition, namely breast cancer. Some of the earlier posters may not have considered this. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #56 June 21, 2005 unless a woman has nursed an entire herd of children, fake tits are ridiculous. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #57 June 21, 2005 Quote That is a really good point. -Some of those women, however, like my auntie, did have replacements/enhancements. In this case, having real breasts was not worth her life, however, having a similar shape to what she was used to was important for her. I would hate to think that anyone would begrudge the lady that (not that you were, just some others that seemed to think that any help in that area was just 'unacceptable' I wonder if those people would see it as "ritualistic mutilation" still if they had a double masectomy and were trying to feel comfortable again). I will opt for reconstructive surgery if it comes to that; I don't particularly care about people that are appalled at it. It's my body and I will feel comfortable in it. I had another auntie that did not opt for the reconstructive surgery or any enhancements. I have another friend that is very athletic in her 40's and decided to have hers enhanced to balance out her frame so she would enjoy what she saw in the mirror wearing a little black dress. We are all the owners of our own bodies, and we have/will each choose what is best for us. I had a really smart-ass comment for people that are so anti-surgery, but I'll save it. You use this argument to justify the millions of women who, in the absence of disease, injury or illness (physical), who electively seek to have bags plastic stuffed in their chests?????? I don't think even a 'rolling eyes' smiley would be adequate for this response. jen [winks at Dean Wormer] Otter: But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen! [Leads the Deltas out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #58 June 21, 2005 For those of you who are worked up about this,,its all about personal choice no different than skydiving,,,for every idiot that says fakes are bad and ridiculus there is an equal idiot saying its stupid to jump out of a plane,,its no diff and no more important than just that,,watch out when you throw those stones,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #59 June 22, 2005 Quote For those of you who are worked up about this,,its all about personal choice no different than skydiving,,,for every idiot that says fakes are bad and ridiculus there is an equal idiot saying its stupid to jump out of a plane,,its no diff and no more important than just that,,watch out when you throw those stones,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The issue is not one of plastic tits. It's a far broader issue of how women have been socialized to view ourselves ...that our individual worth is a diretly tied to how we look and how desirable we appear to men. Now I don't know if your response is well intended ignorance or merely patronizing in intent, but I view these issues as major reasons many women fail to see the real beauty and worth in us all. Sorry if this rocks your world, but it is my sincere hope that others will not view our journey into realistic estimations of our value and self-worth as . jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #60 June 23, 2005 Quote Quote The issue is not one of plastic tits. It's a far broader issue of how women have been socialized to view ourselves ...that our individual worth is a diretly tied to how we look and how desirable we appear to men. Now I don't know if your response is well intended ignorance or merely patronizing in intent, but I view these issues as major reasons many women fail to see the real beauty and worth in us all. Sorry if this rocks your world, but it is my sincere hope that others will not view our journey into realistic estimations of our value and self-worth as . jen So are you saying that women who have cosmetic surgery, are brainless twitts that can't think for themselves.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonRose 0 #61 June 23, 2005 Quote Quote Quote The issue is not one of plastic tits. It's a far broader issue of how women have been socialized to view ourselves ...that our individual worth is a diretly tied to how we look and how desirable we appear to men. Now I don't know if your response is well intended ignorance or merely patronizing in intent, but I view these issues as major reasons many women fail to see the real beauty and worth in us all. Sorry if this rocks your world, but it is my sincere hope that others will not view our journey into realistic estimations of our value and self-worth as . jen So are you saying that women who have cosmetic surgery, are brainless twitts that can't think for themselves. WOW... I think the original intent of this post had nothing to really do with the way it ended up. I should of said if you had a million dollars what would you buy. If you don't like fake tits don't get them if you do like fake boobies and can afford it buy a set. Personal choice Some day I will have the best staff in the world!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #62 June 23, 2005 You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #63 June 23, 2005 Quote Quote Quote The issue is not one of plastic tits. It's a far broader issue of how women have been socialized to view ourselves ...that our individual worth is a diretly tied to how we look and how desirable we appear to men. Now I don't know if your response is well intended ignorance or merely patronizing in intent, but I view these issues as major reasons many women fail to see the real beauty and worth in us all. Sorry if this rocks your world, but it is my sincere hope that others will not view our journey into realistic estimations of our value and self-worth as . jen So are you saying that women who have cosmetic surgery, are brainless twitts that can't think for themselves. And this discussion style has actually worked for you!?----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonRose 0 #64 June 23, 2005 Quote Quote Quote Quote The issue is not one of plastic tits. It's a far broader issue of how women have been socialized to view ourselves ...that our individual worth is a diretly tied to how we look and how desirable we appear to men. Now I don't know if your response is well intended ignorance or merely patronizing in intent, but I view these issues as major reasons many women fail to see the real beauty and worth in us all. Sorry if this rocks your world, but it is my sincere hope that others will not view our journey into realistic estimations of our value and self-worth as . jen So are you saying that women who have cosmetic surgery, are brainless twitts that can't think for themselves. And this discussion style has actually worked for you!? CAN"T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG???? It's all good!!!!! Some day I will have the best staff in the world!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #65 June 23, 2005 Quote Quote Quote Quote The issue is not one of plastic tits. It's a far broader issue of how women have been socialized to view ourselves ...that our individual worth is a diretly tied to how we look and how desirable we appear to men. Now I don't know if your response is well intended ignorance or merely patronizing in intent, but I view these issues as major reasons many women fail to see the real beauty and worth in us all. Sorry if this rocks your world, but it is my sincere hope that others will not view our journey into realistic estimations of our value and self-worth as . jen So are you saying that women who have cosmetic surgery, are brainless twitts that can't think for themselves. And this discussion style has actually worked for you!? More so than blaming how "women have a socialised view of themselves" for the choices that women makeYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #66 June 23, 2005 Quote More so than blaming how "women have a socialised view of themselves" for the choices that women make It's either the men or the women, somebody darn well needs to take responsibility for womens mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #67 June 23, 2005 Quote WOW... I think the original intent of this post had nothing to really do with the way it ended up. That happens a lot. Quote I should of said if you had a million dollars what would you buy. If you don't like fake tits don't get them if you do like fake boobies and can afford it buy a set. Personal choice I can't help but think that you have missed the point. Tell me, Jason, if you were told by your Dr. that you had to be castrated or lose your life, which would you choose? That is a personal choice, now isn't it? Of course, that type of choice is significantly different than you wanting a penis enhancement versus living with what nature endowed you with. Now what if you did opt for castration because of some medical condition. Then you learned that certain types of penis enhancements could give you back your body image and 'manhood'. That would be another personal choice. Do you think that choice is really on the same level as the guy that just wants to make himself bigger, with no medical reasons behind it? .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonRose 0 #68 June 23, 2005 Quote Tell me, Jason, if you were told by your Dr. that you had to be castrated or lose your life, which would you choose? That is a personal choice, now isn't it? Of course, that type of choice is significantly different than you wanting a penis enhancement versus living with what nature endowed you with. Now what if you did opt for castration because of some medical condition. Then you learned that certain types of penis enhancements could give you back your body image and 'manhood'. That would be another personal choice. Do you think that choice is really on the same level as the guy that just wants to make himself bigger, with no medical reasons behind it? . Quote I think I see your point.. The two sceneros are differn'tBut I see both sides being equal. Tell me if I'm wrong.. Medical conditions have a great impact on a persons Psychological well being and even more so when "private areas are involved". Very few people would critisize someone in that position if they chose to have some sort of augmentation. Now the guy/girl that want to get enhancements without the fatal health risks involved they too could have self esteem issues or any number of psychological issues. But they could be just trying to make themselves look the way they think they should and with the current technology they are able to. It boils down to what makes a person feel good about themselves and is it self destructive. Most plastic clinics require counciling prior to performing a procedure just to make sure that the person is doing it for the right reasons. No offense ment if you took it that way. Some day I will have the best staff in the world!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efs4ever 3 #69 June 23, 2005 And These??Russell M. Webb D 7014 Attorney at Law 713 385 5676 https://www.tdcparole.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efs4ever 3 #70 June 23, 2005 Direct Link ClickyRussell M. Webb D 7014 Attorney at Law 713 385 5676 https://www.tdcparole.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
