gordy 0 #26 June 7, 2005 and if something happens such that thats not possible, bad spot, wind speed change? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fallingchip 0 #27 June 7, 2005 Wishing you a fast recovery...______________________________________________ "A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #28 June 7, 2005 No, wear shoes next time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #29 June 7, 2005 First can anyone tell me why a person with 66 jumps total is jumping bare foot on a new canopy with only 2 jumps on that canopy? Anyone else not surprized something went wrong? Wear shoes till you can land where you want...Hell wear shoes all the time. How does landing barefoot make it so you can't flair? From the student program flair to AT LEAST half brakes. Get better, but WEAR SHOES AND FLAIR"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #30 June 7, 2005 Yeah............back when I had a Stiletto loaded fairly light I used to LOVE jumping in sandals. The cool air on your piggies at altitude was sweet! Then I bought a new canopy loaded a bit heavier. I'll probably never jump in sandals again until I get old some day and upsize my canopy. I think this is a self correcting mistake. Glad it didn't hurt worse. Hope your toenails grow back normally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #31 June 7, 2005 QuoteFirst can anyone tell me whay a person with 66 jumps total is jumping bare foot on a new canopy with only 2 jumps on that canopy? Quote Well I usually don't kick anybody when there down-------thats bullshit I do! I have to agree with Ron, what is the reason for jumping bare foot. I would rather shed some sole than skin!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpergirl 0 #32 June 7, 2005 OMG!!! Misty, you're in my thoughts and prayers! I'm sending you lots of get well vibes, hugs, and love!! I'm going to track you down and visit you as soon as I can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mailin 0 #33 June 7, 2005 Same thing happened to me in Sebastian in January. I managed to rip off toe nails through the sock, shoe and jumpsuit bootie. I can only imagine what would have happened had I not worn any shoes. And that thought would have never crossed my mind, cause I'd never jump without them! I hope you can learn from it Misty - and take Scott Miller's canopy course! I took it after my accident and it has really helped me learn how to NEVEr do it again. Heal fast! JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #34 June 7, 2005 I would assume people jump barefoot for the same types of reasons someone jumps in shorts, no shirt, or no helmet. It feels nice and it is comfy. However, if you choose to do so, you have to be ready to accept the consequences when something goes wrong. Out of all the things you can jump without, I think shoes are the most important. You pretty much have to land on your feet on every jump. Sure, if all goes perfect and you land on the grass, you can get away with it, but things don't always go perfect in this sport. That exact point is made very clear here. Plus there are so many other things that can happen where shoes would be very important. What if you cutaway and have to land your reserve off field on a road, on rocks, in trees, in a rough field, or have to walk a mile or more over rough ground? Any of which can also happen under your main as well. The obvious, as stated in this post, is a bad landing. Even a small mishap can have a terrible outcome. Anyway, my point is that there is alot that can go wrong from simply just not wearing shoes, so please think it over carefully before you do. Get well soon, Justaflygirl. Please wear shoes next time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justaflygirl 0 #35 June 7, 2005 Thanks to all the vibes out there, everyone who PM'd me, called me, or posted to this thread made me feel a ton better. I did learn a valuable lesson tho, no matter how many people I know who jump barefoot, dont do it, and I will never do it again... a very painful lesson was learned. As far as my canopies go... I have made 40 jumps between my first 126 reserve and my new 126 reserve. I have made several jumps on a wide range of canopies from a 135 to the 150 im jumping now thru those 40 jumps. I consulted alot of people (intelligent many jump instructors and such) before buying the 2nd 126. but thanks again to everyone and an even special bigger thanks to everyone at Zhills, you guys really took care of me!!! And that will never be forgotten!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #36 June 7, 2005 I hope you heal fast... Did you freeze up and forget to flare? What happened? Considering you made this big a mistake under your 150, do you really think you should have a 126 reserve? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcandalysse 0 #37 June 7, 2005 QuoteI have talked till I am blue in the face about safety and good choices while skydiving, and it doesnt seem to be doing any good. I have had NUMEROUS conversations with her about the consequences of of having a luke warm attitude about safety. Hopefuly what didnt kill her will make her stron....err...Smar...err...Safer Chances are with an attitude like that, the change to smarter/stronger/safer may not happen before something much worse happens. When we all read about your jumping in gusts, and saw your attitude about it, we tried to be helpful and positive in our responses. We will still try to be positive about it. But..... Two very bad decisions in a month. Skydiving is a risky sport. Why tempt the gods of risk? No flare??? That has nothing to do with barefoot jumping. You need to be coached more. Talk to Sally or Laurie before your jumps and get their feedback. Even if it seems like a 'simple jump plan'. Anything new should definitely be discussed with them. We still do that and will continue to do that, even with hundreds of jumps. marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #38 June 7, 2005 QuoteChances are with an attitude like that, the change to smarter/stronger/safer may not happen before something much worse happens. Agreed. QuoteTwo very bad decisions in a month. Skydiving is a risky sport. Why tempt the gods of risk? Cause people don't really BELIEVE they can die when they're having fun. QuoteYou need to be coached more. The attitude needs to change, then the individual will seek out coaching. Till then it's a waste of everyone's time. Sorry if this sounds callous but sometimes the truth does. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsled92 0 #39 June 7, 2005 I hope you are coping with this better than I am picturing it. <<<<<>>>>>_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jeth 0 #40 June 7, 2005 Ouch! Sorry to hear you hurt yourself, hope you heal quick! Be safe!!"At 13,000 feet nothing else matters." PFRX!!!!! Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109 My Jump Site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gjhdiver 0 #41 June 7, 2005 I've seen so much of this that I'm pretty jaded by now. However, if she's a bright girl, she'll look at those toes, and think about what could have been. It's hard to say it, but sometimes pain is the greatest coach of all. You can't bullshit pain. it doesn't care how good you think you are, and it doesn't care how cool you look. I'm glad she's going to be OK. Hopefully, she'll use this as a lesson to re-evaluate her choices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #42 June 7, 2005 I hope she gets well soon. Needless injuries like this are most irksome. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpergirl 0 #43 June 7, 2005 Quoteshe'll look at those toes, and think about what could have been. Hopefully, she'll use this as a lesson to re-evaluate her choices. This is in no way a reply directly to you, gjhdiver. But I do like the things you said... I've been waiting for the right time to say this, and here it is. She definitely knows she made a mistake. She knows what happened and what could have happened. She knows she got lucky that all she lost was skin. She knows. She's had her ass chewed by several people already and doesn't need anymore right now. She fu*%ed up and she knows it. Let her think about what she did/didn't do/won't do again. That being said, Misty, HEAL QUICKLY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #44 June 7, 2005 It looks like there has been a lesson learned regarding jumping barefoot, sure. But in my opinion, there are other larger concerns: 1. The no-flare. Target-fixation? Absent-mindedness? 2. The small reserve. Why? What's the point?? at less than 70 jumps? A 126 at 1:1 is not the same as a 170 1:1...we hear this time and again. Do you really want your first reserve ride to be on the smallest canopy you've ever jumped?? Ok, I'm through. edit for spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpergirl 0 #45 June 7, 2005 Quote1. The no-flare. Taget-fixation? Absent-mindedness? 2. The small reserve. Why? What's the point?? at less than 70 jumps? A 126 at 1:1 is not the same as a 170 1:1...we hear this time and again. You're right. There are unanswered questions there. I'm sure Misty will fill us in when she can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpwally 0 #46 June 7, 2005 Ok,,you got the vibes and all is well,,now,,explain why you didn't flare or what did you really do?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #47 June 7, 2005 Vibes from Ontario towards your speedy recovery. QuoteI did learn a valuable lesson tho, no matter how many people I know who jump barefoot, dont do it, and I will never do it again... Hey girl, I hope this is not the lesson you've learned. Jumping barefoot can be a TON of fun and a very liberating experience. How about "If jumping barefoot, don't drag my toes on Tarmac upon landing.".... or "FLARE out a landing." Those are good lessons and they address what you did wrong... which was not jumping barefoot So what happened anyway? It says no flare... why on the Tarmac and why no flare? (Some more {{{{Vibes}}}} for you too.) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 321seeya 0 #48 June 7, 2005 As the person that will have to A) Clean her up and take care of her or B)Explain to our kids that Mom bounced because she refuses to make good choices and wants to hang her safety on the heads of others. IE (And I quote the converstaion we are having right now) "If people are not going to tell me it is not safe to jump how in the hell can I know?" I am so tired of trying to drill safety into her head. It is always someone eleses fault other than her own. I am stating this publicly so there IS NO DOUBT how I feel. Misty...In my opinion as a friend, husband and instructor IS NOT READY to be under a 126. PERIOD! If she doesnt do something to curve her attitude toward safety SHE IS GOING TO DIE! She will be survived by 4 children who love her dearly. Perhaps if you spent more time reading the Safety Forums and less time post whoring you could learn something from this awesome source of knowledge we call dropzone.com BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Salsa_John 0 #49 June 7, 2005 Sending out extra strength "i did something similar and kept on jumping" vibes I have all the confidence in the world that you can be a great skydiver. Certainly much better than me... they almost started calling me Runway not Salsa "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #50 June 7, 2005 QuoteI would assume people jump barefoot for the same types of reasons someone jumps in shorts, no shirt, or no helmet. It feels nice and it is comfy. However, if you choose to do so, you have to be ready to accept the consequences when something goes wrong. Thank you -- exactly! Most of my skydiver friends have never seen me in shoes, period, because I just don't like wearing them. I am a much happier, relaxed, peaceful person barefoot (and I need all the help I can get, there! ). And I just absolutely loooove jumping barefoot, so I do. I've weighed the risks, just like like I've done to decide to skydive, period. My canopy control and landing ability are two things I have enough confidence in. Yeah, people will scratch their heads and think I'm a fool, but I've been jumping barefoot since the two tandems I did before my AFP, and I jumped barefoot all the way through training. It was a classic example of being permitted to do what you feel like doing because the ultimate responsibility for your safety on a skydive rests with you. Those around me recognized that it was a decision for me to make; they could give input, but since many of them were jumping barefoot themselves, you can guess that I didn't meet much resistance. I really had hoped this thread would not turn into a "bash Misty for doing stuff she's not ready to do"-fest. Let's turn it back around and just say, Heal up quickly, Misty! We love you! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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jumpergirl 0 #32 June 7, 2005 OMG!!! Misty, you're in my thoughts and prayers! I'm sending you lots of get well vibes, hugs, and love!! I'm going to track you down and visit you as soon as I can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mailin 0 #33 June 7, 2005 Same thing happened to me in Sebastian in January. I managed to rip off toe nails through the sock, shoe and jumpsuit bootie. I can only imagine what would have happened had I not worn any shoes. And that thought would have never crossed my mind, cause I'd never jump without them! I hope you can learn from it Misty - and take Scott Miller's canopy course! I took it after my accident and it has really helped me learn how to NEVEr do it again. Heal fast! JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #34 June 7, 2005 I would assume people jump barefoot for the same types of reasons someone jumps in shorts, no shirt, or no helmet. It feels nice and it is comfy. However, if you choose to do so, you have to be ready to accept the consequences when something goes wrong. Out of all the things you can jump without, I think shoes are the most important. You pretty much have to land on your feet on every jump. Sure, if all goes perfect and you land on the grass, you can get away with it, but things don't always go perfect in this sport. That exact point is made very clear here. Plus there are so many other things that can happen where shoes would be very important. What if you cutaway and have to land your reserve off field on a road, on rocks, in trees, in a rough field, or have to walk a mile or more over rough ground? Any of which can also happen under your main as well. The obvious, as stated in this post, is a bad landing. Even a small mishap can have a terrible outcome. Anyway, my point is that there is alot that can go wrong from simply just not wearing shoes, so please think it over carefully before you do. Get well soon, Justaflygirl. Please wear shoes next time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justaflygirl 0 #35 June 7, 2005 Thanks to all the vibes out there, everyone who PM'd me, called me, or posted to this thread made me feel a ton better. I did learn a valuable lesson tho, no matter how many people I know who jump barefoot, dont do it, and I will never do it again... a very painful lesson was learned. As far as my canopies go... I have made 40 jumps between my first 126 reserve and my new 126 reserve. I have made several jumps on a wide range of canopies from a 135 to the 150 im jumping now thru those 40 jumps. I consulted alot of people (intelligent many jump instructors and such) before buying the 2nd 126. but thanks again to everyone and an even special bigger thanks to everyone at Zhills, you guys really took care of me!!! And that will never be forgotten!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #36 June 7, 2005 I hope you heal fast... Did you freeze up and forget to flare? What happened? Considering you made this big a mistake under your 150, do you really think you should have a 126 reserve? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcandalysse 0 #37 June 7, 2005 QuoteI have talked till I am blue in the face about safety and good choices while skydiving, and it doesnt seem to be doing any good. I have had NUMEROUS conversations with her about the consequences of of having a luke warm attitude about safety. Hopefuly what didnt kill her will make her stron....err...Smar...err...Safer Chances are with an attitude like that, the change to smarter/stronger/safer may not happen before something much worse happens. When we all read about your jumping in gusts, and saw your attitude about it, we tried to be helpful and positive in our responses. We will still try to be positive about it. But..... Two very bad decisions in a month. Skydiving is a risky sport. Why tempt the gods of risk? No flare??? That has nothing to do with barefoot jumping. You need to be coached more. Talk to Sally or Laurie before your jumps and get their feedback. Even if it seems like a 'simple jump plan'. Anything new should definitely be discussed with them. We still do that and will continue to do that, even with hundreds of jumps. marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #38 June 7, 2005 QuoteChances are with an attitude like that, the change to smarter/stronger/safer may not happen before something much worse happens. Agreed. QuoteTwo very bad decisions in a month. Skydiving is a risky sport. Why tempt the gods of risk? Cause people don't really BELIEVE they can die when they're having fun. QuoteYou need to be coached more. The attitude needs to change, then the individual will seek out coaching. Till then it's a waste of everyone's time. Sorry if this sounds callous but sometimes the truth does. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsled92 0 #39 June 7, 2005 I hope you are coping with this better than I am picturing it. <<<<<>>>>>_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jeth 0 #40 June 7, 2005 Ouch! Sorry to hear you hurt yourself, hope you heal quick! Be safe!!"At 13,000 feet nothing else matters." PFRX!!!!! Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109 My Jump Site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gjhdiver 0 #41 June 7, 2005 I've seen so much of this that I'm pretty jaded by now. However, if she's a bright girl, she'll look at those toes, and think about what could have been. It's hard to say it, but sometimes pain is the greatest coach of all. You can't bullshit pain. it doesn't care how good you think you are, and it doesn't care how cool you look. I'm glad she's going to be OK. Hopefully, she'll use this as a lesson to re-evaluate her choices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #42 June 7, 2005 I hope she gets well soon. Needless injuries like this are most irksome. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpergirl 0 #43 June 7, 2005 Quoteshe'll look at those toes, and think about what could have been. Hopefully, she'll use this as a lesson to re-evaluate her choices. This is in no way a reply directly to you, gjhdiver. But I do like the things you said... I've been waiting for the right time to say this, and here it is. She definitely knows she made a mistake. She knows what happened and what could have happened. She knows she got lucky that all she lost was skin. She knows. She's had her ass chewed by several people already and doesn't need anymore right now. She fu*%ed up and she knows it. Let her think about what she did/didn't do/won't do again. That being said, Misty, HEAL QUICKLY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #44 June 7, 2005 It looks like there has been a lesson learned regarding jumping barefoot, sure. But in my opinion, there are other larger concerns: 1. The no-flare. Target-fixation? Absent-mindedness? 2. The small reserve. Why? What's the point?? at less than 70 jumps? A 126 at 1:1 is not the same as a 170 1:1...we hear this time and again. Do you really want your first reserve ride to be on the smallest canopy you've ever jumped?? Ok, I'm through. edit for spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpergirl 0 #45 June 7, 2005 Quote1. The no-flare. Taget-fixation? Absent-mindedness? 2. The small reserve. Why? What's the point?? at less than 70 jumps? A 126 at 1:1 is not the same as a 170 1:1...we hear this time and again. You're right. There are unanswered questions there. I'm sure Misty will fill us in when she can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpwally 0 #46 June 7, 2005 Ok,,you got the vibes and all is well,,now,,explain why you didn't flare or what did you really do?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #47 June 7, 2005 Vibes from Ontario towards your speedy recovery. QuoteI did learn a valuable lesson tho, no matter how many people I know who jump barefoot, dont do it, and I will never do it again... Hey girl, I hope this is not the lesson you've learned. Jumping barefoot can be a TON of fun and a very liberating experience. How about "If jumping barefoot, don't drag my toes on Tarmac upon landing.".... or "FLARE out a landing." Those are good lessons and they address what you did wrong... which was not jumping barefoot So what happened anyway? It says no flare... why on the Tarmac and why no flare? (Some more {{{{Vibes}}}} for you too.) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 321seeya 0 #48 June 7, 2005 As the person that will have to A) Clean her up and take care of her or B)Explain to our kids that Mom bounced because she refuses to make good choices and wants to hang her safety on the heads of others. IE (And I quote the converstaion we are having right now) "If people are not going to tell me it is not safe to jump how in the hell can I know?" I am so tired of trying to drill safety into her head. It is always someone eleses fault other than her own. I am stating this publicly so there IS NO DOUBT how I feel. Misty...In my opinion as a friend, husband and instructor IS NOT READY to be under a 126. PERIOD! If she doesnt do something to curve her attitude toward safety SHE IS GOING TO DIE! She will be survived by 4 children who love her dearly. Perhaps if you spent more time reading the Safety Forums and less time post whoring you could learn something from this awesome source of knowledge we call dropzone.com BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Salsa_John 0 #49 June 7, 2005 Sending out extra strength "i did something similar and kept on jumping" vibes I have all the confidence in the world that you can be a great skydiver. Certainly much better than me... they almost started calling me Runway not Salsa "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #50 June 7, 2005 QuoteI would assume people jump barefoot for the same types of reasons someone jumps in shorts, no shirt, or no helmet. It feels nice and it is comfy. However, if you choose to do so, you have to be ready to accept the consequences when something goes wrong. Thank you -- exactly! Most of my skydiver friends have never seen me in shoes, period, because I just don't like wearing them. I am a much happier, relaxed, peaceful person barefoot (and I need all the help I can get, there! ). And I just absolutely loooove jumping barefoot, so I do. I've weighed the risks, just like like I've done to decide to skydive, period. My canopy control and landing ability are two things I have enough confidence in. Yeah, people will scratch their heads and think I'm a fool, but I've been jumping barefoot since the two tandems I did before my AFP, and I jumped barefoot all the way through training. It was a classic example of being permitted to do what you feel like doing because the ultimate responsibility for your safety on a skydive rests with you. Those around me recognized that it was a decision for me to make; they could give input, but since many of them were jumping barefoot themselves, you can guess that I didn't meet much resistance. I really had hoped this thread would not turn into a "bash Misty for doing stuff she's not ready to do"-fest. Let's turn it back around and just say, Heal up quickly, Misty! We love you! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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mailin 0 #33 June 7, 2005 Same thing happened to me in Sebastian in January. I managed to rip off toe nails through the sock, shoe and jumpsuit bootie. I can only imagine what would have happened had I not worn any shoes. And that thought would have never crossed my mind, cause I'd never jump without them! I hope you can learn from it Misty - and take Scott Miller's canopy course! I took it after my accident and it has really helped me learn how to NEVEr do it again. Heal fast! JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #34 June 7, 2005 I would assume people jump barefoot for the same types of reasons someone jumps in shorts, no shirt, or no helmet. It feels nice and it is comfy. However, if you choose to do so, you have to be ready to accept the consequences when something goes wrong. Out of all the things you can jump without, I think shoes are the most important. You pretty much have to land on your feet on every jump. Sure, if all goes perfect and you land on the grass, you can get away with it, but things don't always go perfect in this sport. That exact point is made very clear here. Plus there are so many other things that can happen where shoes would be very important. What if you cutaway and have to land your reserve off field on a road, on rocks, in trees, in a rough field, or have to walk a mile or more over rough ground? Any of which can also happen under your main as well. The obvious, as stated in this post, is a bad landing. Even a small mishap can have a terrible outcome. Anyway, my point is that there is alot that can go wrong from simply just not wearing shoes, so please think it over carefully before you do. Get well soon, Justaflygirl. Please wear shoes next time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justaflygirl 0 #35 June 7, 2005 Thanks to all the vibes out there, everyone who PM'd me, called me, or posted to this thread made me feel a ton better. I did learn a valuable lesson tho, no matter how many people I know who jump barefoot, dont do it, and I will never do it again... a very painful lesson was learned. As far as my canopies go... I have made 40 jumps between my first 126 reserve and my new 126 reserve. I have made several jumps on a wide range of canopies from a 135 to the 150 im jumping now thru those 40 jumps. I consulted alot of people (intelligent many jump instructors and such) before buying the 2nd 126. but thanks again to everyone and an even special bigger thanks to everyone at Zhills, you guys really took care of me!!! And that will never be forgotten!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #36 June 7, 2005 I hope you heal fast... Did you freeze up and forget to flare? What happened? Considering you made this big a mistake under your 150, do you really think you should have a 126 reserve? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcandalysse 0 #37 June 7, 2005 QuoteI have talked till I am blue in the face about safety and good choices while skydiving, and it doesnt seem to be doing any good. I have had NUMEROUS conversations with her about the consequences of of having a luke warm attitude about safety. Hopefuly what didnt kill her will make her stron....err...Smar...err...Safer Chances are with an attitude like that, the change to smarter/stronger/safer may not happen before something much worse happens. When we all read about your jumping in gusts, and saw your attitude about it, we tried to be helpful and positive in our responses. We will still try to be positive about it. But..... Two very bad decisions in a month. Skydiving is a risky sport. Why tempt the gods of risk? No flare??? That has nothing to do with barefoot jumping. You need to be coached more. Talk to Sally or Laurie before your jumps and get their feedback. Even if it seems like a 'simple jump plan'. Anything new should definitely be discussed with them. We still do that and will continue to do that, even with hundreds of jumps. marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #38 June 7, 2005 QuoteChances are with an attitude like that, the change to smarter/stronger/safer may not happen before something much worse happens. Agreed. QuoteTwo very bad decisions in a month. Skydiving is a risky sport. Why tempt the gods of risk? Cause people don't really BELIEVE they can die when they're having fun. QuoteYou need to be coached more. The attitude needs to change, then the individual will seek out coaching. Till then it's a waste of everyone's time. Sorry if this sounds callous but sometimes the truth does. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #39 June 7, 2005 I hope you are coping with this better than I am picturing it. <<<<<>>>>>_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeth 0 #40 June 7, 2005 Ouch! Sorry to hear you hurt yourself, hope you heal quick! Be safe!!"At 13,000 feet nothing else matters." PFRX!!!!! Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109 My Jump Site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #41 June 7, 2005 I've seen so much of this that I'm pretty jaded by now. However, if she's a bright girl, she'll look at those toes, and think about what could have been. It's hard to say it, but sometimes pain is the greatest coach of all. You can't bullshit pain. it doesn't care how good you think you are, and it doesn't care how cool you look. I'm glad she's going to be OK. Hopefully, she'll use this as a lesson to re-evaluate her choices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #42 June 7, 2005 I hope she gets well soon. Needless injuries like this are most irksome. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpergirl 0 #43 June 7, 2005 Quoteshe'll look at those toes, and think about what could have been. Hopefully, she'll use this as a lesson to re-evaluate her choices. This is in no way a reply directly to you, gjhdiver. But I do like the things you said... I've been waiting for the right time to say this, and here it is. She definitely knows she made a mistake. She knows what happened and what could have happened. She knows she got lucky that all she lost was skin. She knows. She's had her ass chewed by several people already and doesn't need anymore right now. She fu*%ed up and she knows it. Let her think about what she did/didn't do/won't do again. That being said, Misty, HEAL QUICKLY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #44 June 7, 2005 It looks like there has been a lesson learned regarding jumping barefoot, sure. But in my opinion, there are other larger concerns: 1. The no-flare. Target-fixation? Absent-mindedness? 2. The small reserve. Why? What's the point?? at less than 70 jumps? A 126 at 1:1 is not the same as a 170 1:1...we hear this time and again. Do you really want your first reserve ride to be on the smallest canopy you've ever jumped?? Ok, I'm through. edit for spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpergirl 0 #45 June 7, 2005 Quote1. The no-flare. Taget-fixation? Absent-mindedness? 2. The small reserve. Why? What's the point?? at less than 70 jumps? A 126 at 1:1 is not the same as a 170 1:1...we hear this time and again. You're right. There are unanswered questions there. I'm sure Misty will fill us in when she can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpwally 0 #46 June 7, 2005 Ok,,you got the vibes and all is well,,now,,explain why you didn't flare or what did you really do?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #47 June 7, 2005 Vibes from Ontario towards your speedy recovery. QuoteI did learn a valuable lesson tho, no matter how many people I know who jump barefoot, dont do it, and I will never do it again... Hey girl, I hope this is not the lesson you've learned. Jumping barefoot can be a TON of fun and a very liberating experience. How about "If jumping barefoot, don't drag my toes on Tarmac upon landing.".... or "FLARE out a landing." Those are good lessons and they address what you did wrong... which was not jumping barefoot So what happened anyway? It says no flare... why on the Tarmac and why no flare? (Some more {{{{Vibes}}}} for you too.) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 321seeya 0 #48 June 7, 2005 As the person that will have to A) Clean her up and take care of her or B)Explain to our kids that Mom bounced because she refuses to make good choices and wants to hang her safety on the heads of others. IE (And I quote the converstaion we are having right now) "If people are not going to tell me it is not safe to jump how in the hell can I know?" I am so tired of trying to drill safety into her head. It is always someone eleses fault other than her own. I am stating this publicly so there IS NO DOUBT how I feel. Misty...In my opinion as a friend, husband and instructor IS NOT READY to be under a 126. PERIOD! If she doesnt do something to curve her attitude toward safety SHE IS GOING TO DIE! She will be survived by 4 children who love her dearly. Perhaps if you spent more time reading the Safety Forums and less time post whoring you could learn something from this awesome source of knowledge we call dropzone.com BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Salsa_John 0 #49 June 7, 2005 Sending out extra strength "i did something similar and kept on jumping" vibes I have all the confidence in the world that you can be a great skydiver. Certainly much better than me... they almost started calling me Runway not Salsa "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #50 June 7, 2005 QuoteI would assume people jump barefoot for the same types of reasons someone jumps in shorts, no shirt, or no helmet. It feels nice and it is comfy. However, if you choose to do so, you have to be ready to accept the consequences when something goes wrong. Thank you -- exactly! Most of my skydiver friends have never seen me in shoes, period, because I just don't like wearing them. I am a much happier, relaxed, peaceful person barefoot (and I need all the help I can get, there! ). And I just absolutely loooove jumping barefoot, so I do. I've weighed the risks, just like like I've done to decide to skydive, period. My canopy control and landing ability are two things I have enough confidence in. Yeah, people will scratch their heads and think I'm a fool, but I've been jumping barefoot since the two tandems I did before my AFP, and I jumped barefoot all the way through training. It was a classic example of being permitted to do what you feel like doing because the ultimate responsibility for your safety on a skydive rests with you. Those around me recognized that it was a decision for me to make; they could give input, but since many of them were jumping barefoot themselves, you can guess that I didn't meet much resistance. I really had hoped this thread would not turn into a "bash Misty for doing stuff she's not ready to do"-fest. Let's turn it back around and just say, Heal up quickly, Misty! 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HeatherB 0 #44 June 7, 2005 It looks like there has been a lesson learned regarding jumping barefoot, sure. But in my opinion, there are other larger concerns: 1. The no-flare. Target-fixation? Absent-mindedness? 2. The small reserve. Why? What's the point?? at less than 70 jumps? A 126 at 1:1 is not the same as a 170 1:1...we hear this time and again. Do you really want your first reserve ride to be on the smallest canopy you've ever jumped?? Ok, I'm through. edit for spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpergirl 0 #45 June 7, 2005 Quote1. The no-flare. Taget-fixation? Absent-mindedness? 2. The small reserve. Why? What's the point?? at less than 70 jumps? A 126 at 1:1 is not the same as a 170 1:1...we hear this time and again. You're right. There are unanswered questions there. I'm sure Misty will fill us in when she can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpwally 0 #46 June 7, 2005 Ok,,you got the vibes and all is well,,now,,explain why you didn't flare or what did you really do?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #47 June 7, 2005 Vibes from Ontario towards your speedy recovery. QuoteI did learn a valuable lesson tho, no matter how many people I know who jump barefoot, dont do it, and I will never do it again... Hey girl, I hope this is not the lesson you've learned. Jumping barefoot can be a TON of fun and a very liberating experience. How about "If jumping barefoot, don't drag my toes on Tarmac upon landing.".... or "FLARE out a landing." Those are good lessons and they address what you did wrong... which was not jumping barefoot So what happened anyway? It says no flare... why on the Tarmac and why no flare? (Some more {{{{Vibes}}}} for you too.) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 321seeya 0 #48 June 7, 2005 As the person that will have to A) Clean her up and take care of her or B)Explain to our kids that Mom bounced because she refuses to make good choices and wants to hang her safety on the heads of others. IE (And I quote the converstaion we are having right now) "If people are not going to tell me it is not safe to jump how in the hell can I know?" I am so tired of trying to drill safety into her head. It is always someone eleses fault other than her own. I am stating this publicly so there IS NO DOUBT how I feel. Misty...In my opinion as a friend, husband and instructor IS NOT READY to be under a 126. PERIOD! If she doesnt do something to curve her attitude toward safety SHE IS GOING TO DIE! She will be survived by 4 children who love her dearly. Perhaps if you spent more time reading the Safety Forums and less time post whoring you could learn something from this awesome source of knowledge we call dropzone.com BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Salsa_John 0 #49 June 7, 2005 Sending out extra strength "i did something similar and kept on jumping" vibes I have all the confidence in the world that you can be a great skydiver. Certainly much better than me... they almost started calling me Runway not Salsa "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #50 June 7, 2005 QuoteI would assume people jump barefoot for the same types of reasons someone jumps in shorts, no shirt, or no helmet. It feels nice and it is comfy. However, if you choose to do so, you have to be ready to accept the consequences when something goes wrong. Thank you -- exactly! Most of my skydiver friends have never seen me in shoes, period, because I just don't like wearing them. I am a much happier, relaxed, peaceful person barefoot (and I need all the help I can get, there! ). And I just absolutely loooove jumping barefoot, so I do. I've weighed the risks, just like like I've done to decide to skydive, period. My canopy control and landing ability are two things I have enough confidence in. Yeah, people will scratch their heads and think I'm a fool, but I've been jumping barefoot since the two tandems I did before my AFP, and I jumped barefoot all the way through training. It was a classic example of being permitted to do what you feel like doing because the ultimate responsibility for your safety on a skydive rests with you. Those around me recognized that it was a decision for me to make; they could give input, but since many of them were jumping barefoot themselves, you can guess that I didn't meet much resistance. I really had hoped this thread would not turn into a "bash Misty for doing stuff she's not ready to do"-fest. Let's turn it back around and just say, Heal up quickly, Misty! We love you! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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jumpwally 0 #46 June 7, 2005 Ok,,you got the vibes and all is well,,now,,explain why you didn't flare or what did you really do?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #47 June 7, 2005 Vibes from Ontario towards your speedy recovery. QuoteI did learn a valuable lesson tho, no matter how many people I know who jump barefoot, dont do it, and I will never do it again... Hey girl, I hope this is not the lesson you've learned. Jumping barefoot can be a TON of fun and a very liberating experience. How about "If jumping barefoot, don't drag my toes on Tarmac upon landing.".... or "FLARE out a landing." Those are good lessons and they address what you did wrong... which was not jumping barefoot So what happened anyway? It says no flare... why on the Tarmac and why no flare? (Some more {{{{Vibes}}}} for you too.) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #48 June 7, 2005 As the person that will have to A) Clean her up and take care of her or B)Explain to our kids that Mom bounced because she refuses to make good choices and wants to hang her safety on the heads of others. IE (And I quote the converstaion we are having right now) "If people are not going to tell me it is not safe to jump how in the hell can I know?" I am so tired of trying to drill safety into her head. It is always someone eleses fault other than her own. I am stating this publicly so there IS NO DOUBT how I feel. Misty...In my opinion as a friend, husband and instructor IS NOT READY to be under a 126. PERIOD! If she doesnt do something to curve her attitude toward safety SHE IS GOING TO DIE! She will be survived by 4 children who love her dearly. Perhaps if you spent more time reading the Safety Forums and less time post whoring you could learn something from this awesome source of knowledge we call dropzone.com BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salsa_John 0 #49 June 7, 2005 Sending out extra strength "i did something similar and kept on jumping" vibes I have all the confidence in the world that you can be a great skydiver. Certainly much better than me... they almost started calling me Runway not Salsa "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #50 June 7, 2005 QuoteI would assume people jump barefoot for the same types of reasons someone jumps in shorts, no shirt, or no helmet. It feels nice and it is comfy. However, if you choose to do so, you have to be ready to accept the consequences when something goes wrong. Thank you -- exactly! Most of my skydiver friends have never seen me in shoes, period, because I just don't like wearing them. I am a much happier, relaxed, peaceful person barefoot (and I need all the help I can get, there! ). And I just absolutely loooove jumping barefoot, so I do. I've weighed the risks, just like like I've done to decide to skydive, period. My canopy control and landing ability are two things I have enough confidence in. Yeah, people will scratch their heads and think I'm a fool, but I've been jumping barefoot since the two tandems I did before my AFP, and I jumped barefoot all the way through training. It was a classic example of being permitted to do what you feel like doing because the ultimate responsibility for your safety on a skydive rests with you. Those around me recognized that it was a decision for me to make; they could give input, but since many of them were jumping barefoot themselves, you can guess that I didn't meet much resistance. I really had hoped this thread would not turn into a "bash Misty for doing stuff she's not ready to do"-fest. Let's turn it back around and just say, Heal up quickly, Misty! We love you! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
