Clite 0 #26 April 19, 2005 QuoteSame thing with a lot of the other shops that I like (Choppers, Inc. Denton County Choppers, Martin Brothers, NYC Choppers, etc). I don't have their stuff, I don't wear their shirts. That's not who I am. I don't ride motorcycles. But my daughter's softball team is sponsored by Martin Brothers. I find it strange that my daughter has a reason to wear their stuff and she isn't even old enough to operate a chopper. I am just glad its not the Hells Angels or Outlaws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #27 April 20, 2005 QuoteAgain, I am not defending them at all. Simply pointing out that the generalization might be off in regards to all MCs. In this case I think the story verifies your assumption. My last paragraph is my point regarding the situation. It is tragically ironic, because some idiot wore it trying to be something he wasn't and the wrong people thought he was something he wasn't. Speaking of generalisations You have no information on this guy and automatically assume that since he's wearing a certain T shirt he is a wannabe and an idiot. Way not to generaliseYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #28 April 20, 2005 QuoteHells Angels support shirts cannot say Hells Angels or even HA. The Hells Angels logo and name can only be wore by club members!! All Hells Angels support apparel say "support your local 81" H eighth letter in Alphabet, A first letter. Most Shirts say right on the back in large letters "KNOWN ASSOCIATE". This has been reasons for other clubs to beat you up if not kill you if worn in the wrong area. And him not riding he probably did not realize how serious these clubs take there names and area. I live in a very large "Outlaws" area. I have a friend in the Hells Angels and a couple of other clubs all who do not get along with the Outlaws. I own shirts that do not get worn except for certain events just because of this reason. Motorcycle clubs get alot of bad press but sit down and talk with a club member sometime and you will change your stereotype. They love what they love and catch hell for it.. but they still continue to persue there passion...... Sound familiar??? We wonder why there is no progress toward peace in the world? We have people acting like violent neanderthals because they see someone who's not in the same "club" as they are, and they "do not get along with" them?! This is the only reason they need to MURDER people?! Not even a personal vendetta or a past wrong... obviously the victim here could not have been "the guy they were looking for because of X disagreement in the past," since he was not even a member... So there's no "honor" thing going on here. Just some assholes who want to manufacture reasons to hate and kill other human beings. How disgusting. How can you possibly compare motorcycle "club" members with skydivers (your implied connection in your post above.) Hell's Angels and others are criminal GANGS: H.O.G. is a "motorcycle enthusiasts' club." You say we'd "change our stereotype" if we sat down and talked with members of a motorcycle gang... Um, how would we make sure they didn't KILL us for some slight that we did not even know we were giving? I mean, maybe they have a code where if you pass the salt with your left hand, you've insulted them and they can kill you for it? How does killing a guy for wearing a t-shirt comport with your argument that these are just fun-loving people who are misunderstood, and are really great guys if you just "sit down and talk with them"? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #29 April 20, 2005 QuoteI'm not saying every one is a great upstanding citizen. But why catagorize a whole group by the bad apples. That can easily be done with every activity, club, etc... I have grown up around various clubs and met many criminals and many club members. There is a difference. I do know that there has been alot of trouble for the Hells Angels in Canada but all I have read is the News reports and we all know how reports twist thing around in our sport. I think you meant "FROM," not "for." You are comparing bad apples in the Hell's Angels with bad apples who may be around skydiving. Skydivers congregate because of skydiving. Hell's Angels do not congregate because they like motorcycles. There are non-criminal-enterprise motorcycle clubs for that, and you and we all know it. It's time to call a spade a spade. And when skydiving news gets "twisted around," it's usually in the form of a journalistic screwup like "the parachute didn't open" or some b.s. It's pretty hard to make a non-murderer out to mistakenly look like a murderer in a news story. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #30 April 20, 2005 Yep, sure did. The same way I would call someone an idiot if they wore crpyt or blood colors into a gang controlled environment. If not an idiot that quite painfully naive. And you are quite wrong we have a lot of information on him. It was not his shirt, he did not own a bike, he was not an HA, and he is dead. He did something very foolish. Just like another forum I follow, someone got a vanity plate that said NGGA PLZ. I would not want to be within 100 yards of that plate in the wrong situation. Would you run into a public place screaming 'bomb' or 'white power'? Yep, freedom of speech, but not really smart. In this case, clothing spoke louder than words.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #31 April 20, 2005 QuoteJust like another forum I follow, someone got a vanity plate that said NGGA PLZ. LMFAO!!!! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #32 April 20, 2005 Well if the guy had just reasoned with them a bit more, they did not want not want to hurt him. Maybe he should have given peace a chance. There was no tshirt of mass destruction. He should have just waited longer. /leftist 'everyone is inherently good' bullshit-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
