Rooky 0 #1 March 8, 2009 Hi there, This poll goes to Sabre2-jumpers. I want to replace my current square with a new canopy. My current favorite is the Sabre2. The only black spot seems to be the opening direction capabilities. And I'm used to on heading openings... Some say the Sabre2 "never" opens on heading, others say the opposite. Maybe it's body position, maybe there are single ones (or most) more prone to off heading openings. So, how went your Sabre2 jumps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deyan 36 #2 March 9, 2009 Only one word.......DEMO I like my Sabre 290% on heading....10% bad body position. Blue skies "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rooky 0 #3 March 9, 2009 Thanks Deyan. I have a few jumps on sabre2 and on the pilot. I didn't like the pilot somehow and I have to find someone with a safire2 yet. My sabre2 jumps were nice and on heading, except one (sporty 120 left). But I doubt body position on that one. Maybe it was due to packing. Greetz, Rooky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwilling 0 #4 March 9, 2009 Quote Maybe it was due to packing It's not packing, and it's not body position, it's the 'chaos factor'. I've jumped all three of the Sabre2/Safire2/Pilot canopies, and the best advice is to jump all three and pick your favorite of the three (or four if PD ever starts to send out Pulse demos!) "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blink 1 #5 March 9, 2009 Quote I like my Sabre 290% on heading....10% bad body position Same for me, except I love my Sabre2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydveraz 0 #6 March 9, 2009 I jump a Sabre 2 170. My thoughts, Buy A SAFIRE 2 or something else other than a Sabre2.Great for making U- turns! Enough said. Arizona only has two seasons, Hot and HOTTER! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #7 March 9, 2009 Almost always off heading for me. Could be body position, but I have over 1000 jumps on mine and I just think I'd get it right by accident a little more often. It's not packing either... I had a PD rep pack it and it gave me a 270 (which is only 90 degrees off heading... not too bad Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #8 March 9, 2009 My wife's Sabre 2 opens consistently off heading. I first thought it was her body position until I put some jumps on it myself. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #9 March 9, 2009 Mine are mostly on heading. Most openings are when flying wingsuit so there is a line twist now and then. The Sabre2 wants to be flown during depolyment. Hold it on heading with very light harness inputs during the snivel.For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
x46255 0 #10 March 9, 2009 Quote I have a few jumps on sabre2 and on the pilot. I didn't like the pilot somehow and I have to find someone with a safire2 yet. I have jumped a Safire2 215 and 169 (about 150 jumps), Pilot 188 (about 100 jumps), and Sabre2 190 (about 50 jumps) The Safire2 is definitely my favorite of the three. It opens more consistently on heading than the Sabre2 (but not as consistently as the Pilot) and is just as fun to fly as the Sabre2. Figure out what you are looking for the most...if you want on heading openings, the Pilot should be your choice. If you want generally on-heading openings with the occasional 90 degree turn and a canopy that is a blast to fly and land, go with the Safire2! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #11 March 9, 2009 QuoteMine are mostly on heading. Most openings are when flying wingsuit so there is a line twist now and then. The Sabre2 wants to be flown during depolyment. Hold it on heading with very light harness inputs during the snivel. I agree with this. Mine are 99% on heading, but you can't be an arching lump in the harness during opening, you need to 'feel' the canopy and work with it, actively fly it during the opening. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #12 March 9, 2009 If mine wants to turn, it's going to turn. Trying to control it during the opening doesn't seem to have much of an effect. Pulling a left riser when it decides to turn right just makes for a wierder opening. It snivels straight, then when I'm thinking it's on heading, it turns hard. I just get on the rear risers and put it back on heading when it's done doing its thing. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rooky 0 #13 March 9, 2009 Quote It snivels straight, then when I'm thinking it's on heading, it turns hard. I just get on the rear risers and put it back on heading when it's done doing its thing. Hi Dave, that supports the theory of some models with built in desire to turn away. It would suck to get such an exemplar. But ok, unless you are doing biggerways, I think it's acceptable. Occasionally hard openings would suck much more. Is there a difference between harness and rears to steer the opening? My current canopy reacts nearly zero to harness but I grab the rears after line stretch, wise or not. Rooky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #14 March 9, 2009 I'm sure it depends on the size/wingloading. On opening, I just try to keep my feet together so I'm as symmetric as possible. I cant predict which way its going to turn and once it starts, it decides when to stop. It's usually not too bad... 90 or so. Sometimes it starts one way and then switches. After opening I can use harness turns, but it's sluggish. A rear riser turn with the brakes stowed doesn't want to stop on it's own. It's typical for me to start a rear riser turn and then kill my slider, then unstow my brakes to stop the turn. If I'm slow, I might miss the heading I want before I get my brakes unstowed, long after releasing the riser. Sometimes I can stop the turn with harness input but not always. But to prove that skydivers like and recommend whatever POS they own, I like and recommend the Sabre2. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucet7 0 #15 March 9, 2009 My Sabre 2 makes a right turn after snivel almost every time. Usually about 15-25 degrees. Occasionally it will go a little more. Once I did a quick 180 which I didn't enjoy too much. And the opennings are soft.POPS #10623; SOS #1672 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squarecanopy 0 #16 March 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteMine are mostly on heading. Most openings are when flying wingsuit so there is a line twist now and then. The Sabre2 wants to be flown during depolyment. Hold it on heading with very light harness inputs during the snivel. I agree with this. Mine are 99% on heading, but you can't be an arching lump in the harness during opening, you need to 'feel' the canopy and work with it, actively fly it during the opening. My experience as well after about 100 jumps on the Sabre 2 210 and 190. Well said both times. Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #17 March 10, 2009 I checked "off heading" but that's not exactly correct. The opening is on heading but it always opens in a left turn (end cell closed). Takes just a sec to pop the brakes and pump it up but I'd never play in big crowds with it. And yes, had several different people pack and jump it and it does the same to everyone.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UDSkyJunkie 0 #18 March 11, 2009 QuoteThe Sabre2 wants to be flown during depolyment. Hold it on heading with very light harness inputs during the snivel. Agreed. Some canopies don't respond well when you try to fly them during deployment, and others do. The Sabre2 (or at least mine!) is definately the latter. Early on the openings would get pretty wild and sometimes scary, but once I learned to anticipate and react to the opening I found I've been able not only to accept a wilder opening, but also to prevent it from getting worse. Personally, I've found it best to let it do it's thing during the snivel, which is usually on-heading, and then lean heavily to the opposite side the instant that it dives (mine usually dives right) during final inflation. I love absolutely everything else about the Sabre2, so I'm cool with the kinda weird openings. Opinions vary."Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_d_sucks 0 #19 March 11, 2009 When I demoed a Sabre2 every opening was off-heading. I even commented on it on the little card they send out with the demo.. I did have trouble packing it because it was so slick, so I don't know if it was my packing that caused it, or if that's just the way it opens Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1b1unique 0 #20 March 11, 2009 Off heading, almost every time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjp 1 #21 March 13, 2009 Based on the "across the board" split poll results, fairly safe to say it "really depends"...probably related to all of the following...canopy design, packing, body position, humidity, temp, etc... As an example, triathlons seemed to always open on-heading no matter how it was packed, body position etc..obviously a VERY different canopy planform design. Overall, "general on heading direction" would be the best description of a sabre2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hekle 0 #22 March 13, 2009 I was always told "endsail closures and off heading openings were features not bugs" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poe62 0 #23 March 13, 2009 Mine is off heading almost every time, but I'll take that over the first one. ~Nikki http://www.facebook.com/poe62 Irgity Dirgity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #24 March 13, 2009 Quote Mine is off heading almost every time, but I'll take that over the first one. Thats cuase your body position. Let me jump it i need a 135 to demo anyways.....Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randompoints 0 #25 March 13, 2009 you can jump mine its a little smaller than 135 though. I can make mine open on heading everytime. All it needs is for me to slow my packjob down a second. Eitherway, once it stands me up I just lean a bit one way or the other if it does start to do something and that keeps it perfect Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
