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Declawing cats

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So you're saying those breast implants I got for my yellow lab are cruel? Whatever! You people are so quick to judge. How do you know she doesn't like those breast implants? She gets so much more attention now when we go for walks.



You'd have been better off spending the cash getting them for yourself.



What would I do with 6 more boobs?



Threaten me with a really good time!;):P:)

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others mean and rueful of the western dream"

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nate_1979    9

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Nothing wrong with declawing cats,... My first cat, which lived to be over 18 years old, (really miss her), was declawed... My second cat was also declawed.. The one which lives with me now is not.. I can understand when people DO have this done, I do not feel that it is "Evil" or inhumane ... My first cat was an indoor / outdoor cat, she was able to come and go as she pleased.. She was *NOT* disabled in any way, and I remember having to pull her out of a tree MORE than once when she decided to get away from something on the ground.. Actuallly SAW her climb once, she had no problem with fronts declawed.. I love my cats, but do not see the issue with the declaw. Guess what, when I was born someone cut off the skin on the front of my dick, was that in humane? I'm sure it hurt like hell.. The cat really does not suffer, and they forget about it and live normal lives... Just like I did...

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The cat really does not suffer, and they forget about it and live normal lives... Just like I did...



I just took my cat to the vet today and saw a cat who was coming out of the anesthetic from his declaw operation. I've never seen a cat wig out as bad before. The vet tech told me that they couldn't give him the pain medication after the surgery because he wouldn't let them near him. She went on to say how much pain the poor thing was in >:(B|

People who subject their cats to that are only doing that at the benefit of themselves. Don't have cats if you're going to declaw them.

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The cat really does not suffer, and they forget about it and live normal lives... Just like I did...



I just took my cat to the vet today and saw a cat who was coming out of the anesthetic from his declaw operation. I've never seen a cat wig out as bad before. The vet tech told me that they couldn't give him the pain medication after the surgery because he wouldn't let them near him. She went on to say how much pain the poor thing was in >:(B|

People who subject their cats to that are only doing that at the benefit of themselves. Don't have cats if you're going to declaw them.

Jen



Yea, it sucks, life sucks sometimes, even for a cat.. The cat will forget, and the cat will probably enjoy a very loving life as well his owners. It's all personal opinion.. I know why my parents declawed my cats, and I was / am OK with it.. I have seen cats cause massive damage, my parents have alot of very old furniture which a cat could destroy.. Sometimes it's just for the better...

I can however see both sides of this discussion, I am an animal lover, I hate to see animals in pain, but it's just a part of life sometimes.. :S

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I can however see both sides of this discussion, I am an animal lover, I hate to see animals in pain,but it's just a part of life sometimes.. :S



See now that's where I have a problem, it's not PART of life. It's crap inforced by you on the cat, it's never a "part of life".
If you know you are going to have issues with an animal and your beloved furniture, don't get the animal, or don;'t have the animal near your furniture.
There are many other ways to deal with the problem other than inflicting surgery on an animal JUST to suit you
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Hmmm....

furniture - inanimate object and can be replaced

permanently injuring a cat - for convenience sake


Hell would freeze over before I would declaw a cat.

Someone, also, commented on "time to train" a cat...if you don't have time to train a cat (or dog) then you have no business owning either. These animals are dependent on you for their life, welfare, and well being. Training along with vet appointments, etc., are all part of the responsibility of owning a pet.
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Someone, also, commented on "time to train" a cat...if you don't have time to train a cat (or dog) then you have no business owning either. Training along with vet appointments, etc., are all part of the responsibility of owning a pet.



No no no you have to train the dog to train the cat. Dogs wanna please and learn fast., plus they sit at home all day with nothing better to do than work with the cat on it's clawing issues. :P

See she is doing her job as I type.
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Apparently you have a problem with anthropomorphy. You want to stand up and explain why you think that as a human the degree of handicap is different. Since you are no a feline, it's extremely unlikely that you have any perspective from a cats point of view.
You are just another link in a food chain pal.



Why is it that someone who is not against declawing cannot talk about things from the cats perspective, but those who oppose it can? None of you are cats, wither, so how do you know the psychological trauma caused by this?

I have read every link in this thread as well as the recone one. All of them spout terrible looking statistics that are meaningless. You cannot tell me that 15% of declawed cats develop an aversiln to using the litter box sometime in the five years following surgery without having a control group, of the same age cats, and telling me how many of them develop a litter box aversion.

There are also blanket statements about all the terrible things that happen....a cat become withdrawn because he cannot defend himself. How do you know that is the reason? Did he tell you that?

Yes, the surgery is painful. Yes, it removes their fingers to the first digit.

No, this does not cause them to be permanently handicapped. People live perfectly normal lives after losing fingers or toes.....they are not handicapped.

Plus....cats do their sensing through the pad of their foot....we use our finger tips. Declawing does not damage the pad.

In my life I have had about 15 cats, two of whom were/are not declawed. One because she went outside. One because we just haven't done it yet to our kitten. I have never seen (of those other 13) one cat with issues stemming from having their claws removed. They have still been able to run, jump, climb, play, use the litter box, etc.

No amount of your blanket statements or links to terribly non-scientific websites has convinced me there is a problem at all.

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Apparently you have a problem with anthropomorphy. You want to stand up and explain why you think that as a human the degree of handicap is different. Since you are no a feline, it's extremely unlikely that you have any perspective from a cats point of view.
You are just another link in a food chain pal.



Why is it that someone who is not against declawing cannot talk about things from the cats perspective, but those who oppose it can? None of you are cats, wither, so how do you know the psychological trauma caused by this?

I have read every link in this thread as well as the recone one. All of them spout terrible looking statistics that are meaningless. You cannot tell me that 15% of declawed cats develop an aversiln to using the litter box sometime in the five years following surgery without having a control group, of the same age cats, and telling me how many of them develop a litter box aversion.

There are also blanket statements about all the terrible things that happen....a cat become withdrawn because he cannot defend himself. How do you know that is the reason? Did he tell you that?

Yes, the surgery is painful. Yes, it removes their fingers to the first digit.

No, this does not cause them to be permanently handicapped. People live perfectly normal lives after losing fingers or toes.....they are not handicapped.

Plus....cats do their sensing through the pad of their foot....we use our finger tips. Declawing does not damage the pad.

In my life I have had about 15 cats, two of whom were/are not declawed. One because she went outside. One because we just haven't done it yet to our kitten. I have never seen (of those other 13) one cat with issues stemming from having their claws removed. They have still been able to run, jump, climb, play, use the litter box, etc.

No amount of your blanket statements or links to terribly non-scientific websites has convinced me there is a problem at all.



another amen to that.

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Apparently you have a problem with anthropomorphy. You want to stand up and explain why you think that as a human the degree of handicap is different. Since you are no a feline, it's extremely unlikely that you have any perspective from a cats point of view.
You are just another link in a food chain pal.



Why is it that someone who is not against declawing cannot talk about things from the cats perspective, but those who oppose it can? None of you are cats, wither, so how do you know the psychological trauma caused by this?



I have at no time done this, I was simply pointing out thats his argument is flawed in that he was anthopomorphising what a cat goes through based on his incorrect assertion, when he compared one event on a cat to a dis-simimlar event on a human.


My argument also stemmed from the point that the only reason for the surgery is purely from a"cat lovers" perspective. there is NO medical reason for it.
If you choose to declaw 13 cats thats your legal perogertive. I would argue from a moral stand that it's nothing to do with the cat and all to do with you.
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Anybody who de-claws an animal deserves the same. Plain and simple. Argue all they want - I'll be happy to perform the 'surgery.' You first the animal second.>:(



Do you feel the same way about dew claws on a dog?

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Nightingale    0

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The vet I take my cats to has the reputation for being the best vet in the area. He will not perform declawing operations and said that when he worked for another vet he was required to do it, and seeing the unnecessary pain the cats were in afterwards broke his heart, so he will not perform the surgery. When we got our first cat, he told my mom something to the effect of "there is no cat scratching problem that can't be solved with proper training, regular trimming of the nails, and if necessary, claw caps (softclaws or softpaws). There is no need to put the animal through an unnecessary and dangerous surgery that is of absolutely no benefit to the animal. Putting cats under anesthesia is touchy to begin with. Doing it unnecessarily is putting the animal at risk without a reason simply for the convenience of the owner."

I'd never take my cats to a different vet, as this one is so good and has been taking care of my kitties since I was little, so both my kitties kept their claws. I have softclaws on them, and it costs about $5 a month and maybe ten to fifteen minutes of time per month per cat. They got used to the softpaws in about a day and we havent had a bit of trouble. My furniture is fine, I'm happy, cats are happy, and I didn't have to pay hundreds of dollars for kitty surgery.

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Do you feel the same way about dew claws on a dog?



I know very little about canine dew-claws. What I do know is they can be very toublesome for some canines. I Would However, become VERY informed before removing my dogs dew-claws.
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