Gene03 0 #26 March 7, 2005 I've been a rigger since 1972 and I've never enforced the bottle (Don Julio Reposada) or beer rule. I've seen it carried way out of hand lot's of times. I consider it a gratuity for the rigger and/or fellow jumpers. And a measure of the other individuals' personality.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #27 March 7, 2005 Sure saved my fingers a lot of typing!!!!!!! Well said!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 1 #28 March 7, 2005 Well Said. If you ever get down here to NZ I'll buy you a beer! Or wine if you prefer!Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boinky 0 #29 March 7, 2005 I don't drink much, nor do I stay and party much after the jumping is over. I have bought more than my share of beer in over 3 years, though. In the last year or so, I realized that when you buy beer, the same folks get to enjoy it, while many people who might help you in your aspiring skydiving "career" get shortchanged in your gratitude of them. So, I started going to Walmart on my way to the dz. I'd buy hotdogs, buns, chips, crackers, cookies, condiments. Most jumpers/instructors don't have the time to go and get themselves food, so having food on hand is a welcome thing. One of the dzo's would cook them during the day, and [B]TAA-DAA[/B] instant appreciation for [B]EVERYONE![/B]Nina Are we called "DAWGs" because we stick our noses up people's butts? (RIP Buzz) Yep, you're a postwhore-billyvance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #30 March 7, 2005 Quote In a sport where a clear, sharply focused mind is paramount, I cant possibly imagine a more absurd tradition. Okay, you buy us all coffee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #31 March 7, 2005 QuoteQuote I dont owe nuthin to nobody... ...(I'm a )all around self serving bastard. Oh yeah... ass. I forgot ass. I'm also an ass. Quote You are 100% right! It's a NEW day...the HELL with tradition! Here....let me spot for ya!! Sheesh, you all take shit so personally PErhaps I should have explained myself better initially so here goes. I'm a recovering alcoholic 9 years sober. I very nearly died as a result of my drinking, lost many things that meant a lot to me which I will never get back, and I have a VERY close family member that just put a bullet in his head because he couldnt get that monkey off his back. I'm sorry. I'm just not buying anyone any booze. Not now, not ever. Period. I dont owe anyone any booze. Think me an ass if it pleases you, but this is a tradition that continually bugs the hell out of me and hey I have as much right to express my thoughts on this matter as anyone else.__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #32 March 7, 2005 Liz, the clear intent of my post, regardless of the exact wording, was that I dont feel I owe any alcoholic beverages to anyone. And I dont.__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #33 March 7, 2005 QuoteHope your rigger doesn't read this. If you don't drink you don't have to buy beer - any beverage to be shared amongst your fellow jumpers is fine. But you really should pay your rigger what he/she drinks if his/her packjob saves your life. Yeah - if he/she does - well you can always track for their car.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #34 March 7, 2005 ***Not saying whether I think you should or shouldn't buy them something.... just playing devils advocate.*** So, you pay for a pack job, but if it works, you 'owe' them something else? Isn't that what you pay them to do....pack a reserve that works? Or is it another case of, 'you pay for a pack job not an opening"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #35 March 7, 2005 Quote***Not saying whether I think you should or shouldn't buy them something.... just playing devils advocate.*** So, you pay for a pack job, but if it works, you 'owe' them something else? Isn't that what you pay them to do....pack a reserve that works? Or is it another case of, 'you pay for a pack job not an opening"? Just curious - Ever had a job where - after the project is done - and it went REALLY well - even though you or someone else fucked up a part of it, but one team member did their job well enough that it turned out good ANYWAY - would you think that that team member deserved a little bonus?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #36 March 7, 2005 I'm not really sure I understand the question. To define my feelings clearly..I owe them my life, my gratitude, the price of a pack job, and maybe many other things. I dont owe them a bottle of liquor though. I dont owe anyone that. If I had to take a guess, I would say that my rigger is cool enough to understand that.__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plowdirt 0 #37 March 7, 2005 If you post the way you did you will get responces like these. Trust me I get crap all the time. 9 years good for you. I applaud you. have a glass of milk, unless your lactose intolorant. And far more than oweing beer. you don't owe anybody an explanation for anything. one day at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #38 March 7, 2005 Quote Think me an ass if it pleases you, but this is a tradition that continually bugs the hell out of me and hey I have as much right to express my thoughts on this matter as anyone else. *** "I" don't think of you as an ass... I pasted that directly from your BIO page... And yes...I agree~ I mean about you having every right to express your opinion... Just the same as everyone ELSE did here...And please don't YOU take it 'personally' it's just a rather social....traditional....& TOUGH...crowd you're swimming against. I'm sure we'd all get along just fine in the 'real' world! I'd even buy ya an....Ice Tea! So~ ...90 RIGHT & CUT! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #39 March 7, 2005 Quote Just the same as everyone ELSE did here... Absolutely. Based on those responses though, it seemed that a more detailed explanation of why I feel this way might be helpful in order to further the cause of universal peace, harmony, and understanding __ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwpj 0 #40 March 7, 2005 Quote Based on those responses though, it seemed that a more detailed explanation of why I feel this way Like Liz said, we will treat you the same wether you live up to a long standing tradition or not because you are a member of the awesome fellowship that is skydiving. Don't buy your beer, I and most of my brethren really don't care. I'm happy to see you have changed your tune from "I don't owe nuthin to nobody", to, "I don't owe you alcohol". There are still plenty of, "social conduits through which information is exchanged, thereby enhancing safety", of which you can take advantage . Using one of these alternative methods would show the rest of the skydiving community that you care about them. Just like we care about you p.j. pulling is cool. keep it in the skin. options: it does a body good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #41 March 7, 2005 CRWPJ wrote Quote Like Liz said, we will treat you the same wether you live up to a long standing tradition or not because you are a member of the awesome fellowship that is skydiving. Don't buy your beer, I and most of my brethren really don't care. I'm happy to see you have changed your tune from "I don't owe nuthin to nobody", to, "I don't owe you alcohol". There are still plenty of, "social conduits through which information is exchanged, thereby enhancing safety", of which can take advantage . Using one of these alternative methods would show the rest of the skydiving community that you care about them. Just like we care about you p.j. Now there's a name I haven't seen in years. Do you know how many times I've referenced or quoted the midrocosms of the universe in that span? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #42 March 7, 2005 For what it's worth, as a rigger, I do not 'expect' or feel that anything is 'owed' to me above and beyond the charges on my bill to my customer. I feel, the idea of giving your rigger a bottle of booze after a reserve ride on that riggers pack job is pretty neat. It's a fun tradition. I have recieved a bottle here and there along the way but, it's a gesture. My 'extra' is a big grin on a happy skydiver who just had a safe reserve ride. That's just me. I feel also, we can keep our traditions like this one but, with no pressure. It should be left up to the skydiver if, he or she would like to give their rigger a bottle or six-pack, whether or not the rigger drinks. Make sense? It's just my opinion. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #43 March 7, 2005 QuoteQuote***Not saying whether I think you should or shouldn't buy them something.... just playing devils advocate.*** So, you pay for a pack job, but if it works, you 'owe' them something else? Isn't that what you pay them to do....pack a reserve that works? Or is it another case of, 'you pay for a pack job not an opening"? Just curious - Ever had a job where - after the project is done - and it went REALLY well - even though you or someone else fucked up a part of it, but one team member did their job well enough that it turned out good ANYWAY - would you think that that team member deserved a little bonus? Just in case you didn't see this the first time - Still waiting for an answer.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #44 March 7, 2005 Quote Just in case you didn't see this the first time - Still waiting for an answer. I thought I did :-) The answer, more succinctly put, is yes. they deserve a bonus. Just that if its coming from me, the bonus wont have any alcohol in it. __ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #45 March 7, 2005 Quote*** I'm happy to see you have changed your tune from "I don't owe nuthin to nobody", to, "I don't owe you alcohol". There are still plenty of, "social conduits through which information is exchanged, thereby enhancing safety", of which you can take advantage . Using one of these alternative methods would show the rest of the skydiving community that you care about them. Just like we care about you p.j. Actually I didnt really change my tune. My first "tune" as such was poorly written and didnt convey the message I was trying to send. My original post was in response to a thread started by someone else in which he spoke about all the beer he "owed" and my thread was simply a response to that. The title was designed to resemble the title of the other thread. I dont think anyone noticed that though, and consequently misunderstood my words. I owe the skydiving community a lot and am well aware of that. I always pay my debts whenever possible. I just wont pay in alcoholic beverages. In my case, the long-standing tradition is gonna have to be set aside for what I consider to be very good personal reasons. I'm glad you all will still treat me the same, especially since your dropzone is also mine. In fact, you yourself taught me how to propack :-) Cheers, Chris__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #46 March 7, 2005 What if that is what the rigger wants as a bonus though?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #47 March 7, 2005 I'm happy to give him one. It just wont be booze It could be money, food, free work, free jump, sexual favors (depending on the gender!) Theres lots to life besides booze!__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #48 March 8, 2005 QuoteTheres lots to life besides booze! Well, not "lots"...there's sex, and there's skydives, and then it tapers off pretty damned quickly! Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #49 March 8, 2005 Nice bait and switch there Chris. Skillfully planned and executed. For some reason you remind me of someone...WAIT A MINUTE. You're that SOB that sold me that piece-o-crap Oldsmobile when you worked at Slick Willy's Used Car Lot up in Princeton a few years back. Seriously, say hello to the Kruse's from Gnarly Steve and Gene at ET.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #50 March 8, 2005 Nah. No bait and switch. My position hasnt changed one bit. See the thread entitled THE YOU OWE THREAD My thread followed immediately after that one and was a direct response to that thread right down to the subject line I used. Nobody got the connection and therefore misinterpreted my intent so I attempted to explain it better. The meaning of my thread from the very first post was that I dont owe beer or liquor to anyone and I still mean that exact thing. Now then, since nobody really seems to even WANT to get it, cant we just let this one die?__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
