Rainbo 0 #1 February 4, 2005 Over the years I have made a habit of letting new jumpers try and buy used gear from me. Always at extremely generous dollar values. And always they do right by me in the end. I also have a tendency to let them develop the payment terms. I believe the spending your dollars on skydives at that stage is better than spending it on expensive gear. Gear never made anybody fly better, safer maybe , but never better. Anyway, I am reaching a point that has me borderline upset. There is a young jumper who has a complete rig from since early last summer that has not made any attempt to contact me for some time now. I try emailing him and it bounced as undeliverable. I leave messages at his parents home where he lives(?) but get no response. I heard rumors he may be in the Fort Wayne area these days. I am not going to mention names as I am still willing to give the (thread title). What's a guy to do, I mean in my younger years there were ways I would have dealt with this issue, but I am older and gentler these days. Thoughts out there, cause I would hate to get a bad taste in my mouth and not do for younger jumpers what people did for me in my early days.Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #2 February 4, 2005 Personally, I'd be knocking on his parents' door. It's harder to ignore you when you're there in person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #3 February 4, 2005 Wow that is really in bad taste on his part. I am looking for a rig now so I will be able to jump this summer and it is really hard for me to save up that much money at one time. People like you are what help the sport grow and get new jumpers in the air. Wish I lived close I would be glad to hunt him down and be not so gentle with him for you. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #4 February 4, 2005 I say post his name, afterall; he is stealing something from you. Get his name out there, and let the skydiving community he can be trusted. If he steals from you, what is he going to do to others at the DZ?May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #5 February 4, 2005 See, that is what I hope to avoid. Perhaps it is just youthful indiscretion, but then again...Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #6 February 4, 2005 Out the prick. You have been more than generous and patient. It seems to me that he is screwing you. He no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. Dont stop being generous with younger jumpers because of one butthead, though.__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #7 February 4, 2005 QuoteSee, that is what I hope to avoid. Perhaps it is just youthful indiscretion, but then again... Well, I think that's an easy excuse. It just shows me that no one had called this guy out before, so he just continues to be a jerk and not be responsible. You're a parent, what would you do if one of your kids pulled this kind of shit?May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #8 February 4, 2005 QuoteOut the prick. You have been more than generous and patient. It seems to me that he is screwing you. He no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. WerdI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #9 February 4, 2005 If he's on dropzone.com, hopefully he will contact you very shortly. Otherwise, yup, it's that time. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #10 February 4, 2005 QuoteIf he's on dropzone.com, hopefully he will contact you very shortly. Otherwise, yup, it's that time. Wendy W. See, even Wendy says to out him. If Wendy says to do it, then it must be okay.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #11 February 4, 2005 Did you let his parents know why you were trying to contact him? If so how did they react? If you didn't I would recomend calling them and letting them know or dropping by the house and letting them know the situation and maybe they will be more helpful. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #12 February 4, 2005 QuoteDid you let his parents know why you were trying to contact him? If so how did they react? If you didn't I would recomend calling them and letting them know or dropping by the house and letting them know the situation and maybe they will be more helpful. Get a police escort and knock on the door - that is one of the things the good guys in blue are supposed to do for us.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #13 February 4, 2005 Why is it the parents job to make sure the son pays what is owed? Nope, time for this jerk to take some responsibility in his life. He is a jerk, and not to be trusted around expensive equiment at a DZ.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #14 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteDid you let his parents know why you were trying to contact him? If so how did they react? If you didn't I would recomend calling them and letting them know or dropping by the house and letting them know the situation and maybe they will be more helpful. Get a police escort and knock on the door - that is one of the things the good guys in blue are supposed to do for us.I wouldn't take it to that level yet. I would go alone first and if they aren't more helpful then take an escort with you to get the point across that this isn't some trivial matter that is just going to go away. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Girlfalldown 0 #15 February 4, 2005 My initial thought is to out him but if you have an idea of where he's jumping maybe you can contact the dropzone and let them know the situation. Not that it's their problem but maybe someone there can be kind enough to help you out in some way. Otherwise he's not paying a debt and last I checked that's against the law. You can always have your lawyer talk to him but then you have to actually have a lawyer look into it which is more money out of your pocket. I say just out him!! -------------- (Do not, I repeat DO NOT, take my posts seriously.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #16 February 4, 2005 ***See, even Wendy says to out him. If Wendy says to do it, then it must be okay. I agree!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #17 February 4, 2005 Offer him a free pack-job.... I'm sure that you'll get you kit back when it's been released from the police .... .... beer tslking (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #18 February 4, 2005 Well, survey says... I am going to try the contact thing again over the weekend (they live over an hour away so I don't want to drive if I do not have to) then if nothing happens I guess I put the name out there and see what happens. Man, your a rough crowd out there, thanks.Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #19 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteDid you let his parents know why you were trying to contact him? If so how did they react? If you didn't I would recomend calling them and letting them know or dropping by the house and letting them know the situation and maybe they will be more helpful. Get a police escort and knock on the door - that is one of the things the good guys in blue are supposed to do for us.I wouldn't take it to that level yet. I would go alone first and if they aren't more helpful then take an escort with you to get the point across that this isn't some trivial matter that is just going to go away. Why give them time to prepare - he was an ass and he will get the message this way. Mom's first instinct is to protect her kid - don't give her that chance. Get the cop to interview her and explain things.*I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #20 February 4, 2005 I beleive he is indeed jumping in Indiana now. I thought it was Greensburg. I doubt his parents will be very helpful. I've met them before, they don't really have much control over him. Anyhoo, i have picture of him too if you want me to post them. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #21 February 4, 2005 QuoteI beleive he is indeed jumping in Indiana now. I thought it was Greensburg. I doubt his parents will be very helpful. I've met them before, they don't really have much control over him. Anyhoo, i have picture of him too if you want me to post them. OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #22 February 4, 2005 you know that I have tried to network this message to him. Guess I need to pull all the stops now, I'll let you know about the picture thing. If anybody on here jumps that area PM me and see if the message can get to him directly.Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #23 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteI beleive he is indeed jumping in Indiana now. I thought it was Greensburg. I doubt his parents will be very helpful. I've met them before, they don't really have much control over him. Anyhoo, i have picture of him too if you want me to post them. OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM - OUT HIM OK turtle I am convinced. OUT HIM Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #24 February 4, 2005 Just ask and a certain "collection gorilla" I know would be happy to help out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #25 February 4, 2005 I think I now that. Isn't he calmer and gentler like me these days?Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
