feuergnom 28 #1 January 11, 2005 reading the forums i stumbled over this: QuoteAll this from an guy who has 1 year is the sport and won't identify himself. Who made you the incident Sheriff? And I hate people who can't spell or are too lazy to use spell check. But thats my problem and I have to deal with it. DZ.com is not a media outlet, it is a private forum owned by HH. Real Name: No name entered. Email: No email entered. Jump Profile Home DZ: No home dropzone entered. License Org: uspa Number of Jumps: 218 Years in Sport: 1 Disciplines of Choice: Formation Skydiving Freeflying i find it ridiculous to slam a poster for spelling what sucks even more is the fact that - not only this specific guy in this specific post - a judgement on the quality of a question/post is based on a complete profile as a more or less "generaly accepted attitude". once i thought it was fun filling out my profile and keeping it up to date - but his made me wipe out all the relevant skydiving-data in mine maybe this belongs in another forum, but as it describes a habit mainly found in the skydiving part of dz.com this seems - at least imho to be place to be discussedThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #2 January 11, 2005 Please post a link to the original post you are referring to so we can see the context of your comments. Thanks.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #3 January 11, 2005 I believe that a complete profile is significant in that it gives the reader an opportunity to judge the relative value of advice given on a particular topic. Is this bit of advice on canopy control coming from someone with 15 jumps on a Manta 300 or from someone with 3500 jumps on high performance canopies? The answer to that question carries a lot of weight when deciding if the advice is worth contemplating. It isnt the be all and end all, but it definitely has value and people should keep it current if they plan to post a lot.__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #4 January 11, 2005 found here in incidents i know it is a locked thread where everything got pretty heated pretty quick. but still - this attitude can be found in more threads than this one. i have no problem if there should be doubt on the quality of a post when advice is given. but when questions are asked?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fjd 0 #5 January 11, 2005 QuoteI believe that a complete profile is significant in that it gives the reader an opportunity to judge the relative value of advice given on a particular topic. Is this bit of advice on canopy control coming from someone with 15 jumps on a Manta 300 or from someone with 3500 jumps on high performance canopies? The answer to that question carries a lot of weight when deciding if the advice is worth contemplating. It isnt the be all and end all, but it definitely has value and people should keep it current if they plan to post a lot. i agree with you, in general, that the more jumps one has the higher knowledge level. however, that relationship is not necessarily true in ALL instances. and as you pointed out "it isn't the be all and end all" in that who's to guarantee that the profile info is the absolute truth? a reader of this board should always have certain amount of skepticism when reading posts. on the same token, a post should be responded to on its merit of the content, not based on the profile info of the poster. i think we all can use a bit less attitude in general on this board, IMHO. =============== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #6 January 11, 2005 Quote find it ridiculous to slam a poster for spelling Agreed. Good grammar and spelling is a plus, but not critical. Trying to support someone by helping them improve their spelling doesn't start that way - a PM suggesting the use of spell check may have done the trick. Quotewhat sucks even more is the fact that - not only this specific guy in this specific post - a judgement on the quality of a question/post is based on a complete profile as a more or less "generaly accepted attitude". Credibility doesn't come from one's DZ.com profile - it comes from the integrity, experience, and knowledge of the individual behind the profile. Lack of credibility here in the forums does come from folks posting strong opinions and having a blank profile. This arose from people registering and posting anonymously so they didn't have to be held accountable for the content of their posts. HH and we Mods do the best we can to detect and deal with people intentionally creating alter-egos to stir up hornets nests here in the forums, but human nature dictates that we will never eliminate it completely. People are free to omit details from their profile - e.g. some people protect their real name, location, email address for personal safety reasons. It does require compromise in accepting the fact that some people will give less credence to their opinions because they don't know who's talking. Regarding the incidents forum, it is important to stick to known facts regarding an incident right after it happens, and stay away from speculation. Public record (police reports and mass media) published immediately following an incident rarely reflect what actually happened. Family and friends are grieving. Authorities are investigating the incident to determine the cause. Injuries ae healing. Sometimes people are fighting for their life in the hospital. Sometimes legal action is being generated. Out of respect to those directly involved, those of us who are not should be patient and wait for the facts to show themselves. Third party speculation here in the forums spins up to be a frenzy of "what-ifs" and "maybes" and does not forward the situation at all. The bottom line is that before posting in the Incidents Forum people unfamiliar with it should do a little homework to see what they are getting themselves into. Quoteonce i thought it was fun filling out my profile and keeping it up to date - but his made me wipe out all the relevant skydiving-data in mine Numbers and ratings in many cases are not accurate measurements of a skydiver's character, credibility, and quality of knowledge. I do think they support everyone in this two-dimensional environment in effective virtual conversations. I hope you'll reconsider keeping your profile up-to-date and not base your decision on one post.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #7 January 11, 2005 Quotei agree with you, in general, that the more jumps one has the higher knowledge level. however, that relationship is not necessarily true in ALL instances. Well, it is absolutely the case in the post that was linked. His knowledge base is higher than mine will ever be, I can promise that. Check his D number...it's real, it's accurate, and it's a correct reflection of someone who has done most of it and seen the rest. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #8 January 11, 2005 QuoteCheck his D number...it's real, it's accurate, and it's a correct reflection of someone who has done most of it and seen the rest. Be careful there. "Been there, done that, seen it, jumped it, etc." along with low D license numbers is not a direct reflection of the individual as a whole. I do not know Sparky personally, but have had numerous and highly successful interactions with him here in the forums. In his case, he does have a huge amount of experience and contributes a great deal to our virtual community. I have personally benefitted more than once from his advice. In this case, he got his buttons pushed, and I have to say that the post he replied to had me shaking my head as well. My D number is not any where near as low as his, but because I keep an open mind and endeavor to keep learning I am able to gain valuable knowledge that may one day save my life or someone else's from people with D numbers a lot higher than mine. It continues to amaze me how much there is for me to learn . . .Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #9 January 11, 2005 QuoteBe careful there. "Been there, done that, seen it, jumped it, etc." along with low D license numbers is not a direct reflection of the individual as a whole. I agree...which is why I specified that particular poster (who I happen to know pretty well). And I also agree - you're a pretty well educated man yourself. An open mind is as important as an open parachute, imho...and I hope that I often enough manage to keep an open mind to always learn. So there. We've agreed. ROFL. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #10 January 11, 2005 relevence to "general skydiving?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #11 January 11, 2005 QuoteI believe that a complete profile is significant in that it gives the reader an opportunity to judge the relative value of advice given on a particular topic. . Turning to an internet board for advice and then following that advice is not good no matter what the subject is and no matter whom is giving it. You just never know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Skygirl 0 #12 January 12, 2005 You could be right... but... nevertheless it is interesting to read other people's advice to check it afterwards with other people or look for sources that have something to do with the subject. Advice sometimes helps me to find more information, so that I know where to start looking. To the persons that post to attack people's spelling mistakes... I don't know what the discussion about spelling mistakes has to do with this topic, but people can be dyslectic (I hope this one is spelled correctly). My mothertongue is not English, but Dutch.... so to all those people that are bothered by my spelling mistakes... I am very very very very very sorry ... hehe... I am fluent in 5 or 6 languages, but mistakes happen.------------------------------------------------- No dive, like skydive... wanna bet on it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #13 January 12, 2005 QuoteLack of credibility here in the forums does come from folks posting strong opinions and having a blank profile. remember the days when there was no profile to be filled? (sure you do, you are a greenie). i remember the discussion about creating profiles and what should be put in there pretty good. there was much discussion about how to verify identities in here i'm still wondering why nobody requested fingerprints.... QuoteIt does require compromise in accepting the fact that some people will give less credence to their opinions because they don't know who's talking. what does a name or a license # say? i know that you can look up a uspa license but what if i'm not a uspa member? i bet the same people would argue that "i'm not real" 'cause they couldn't look me up QuoteNumbers and ratings in many cases are not accurate measurements of a skydiver's character, credibility, and quality of knowledge. so true, so sad...The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
