Jason42 0 #1 July 13, 2008 Recently, on a hot day I left my rig in the backseat of my car while it was parked in a parking lot in the sunlight. I probably had my car parked for an hour at the most before driving home. Once I got home I parked my car in the garage and left my rig in the backseat forgetting about it until I got back in my car the next day. My garage is always noticeably cooler then it is outside but it can still get a little warm inside the car. In both instances the rig was inside a gear bag the whole time. Is this something I should be worried about? I'm guessing it would take quite a bit of heat exposure cause problems with the reserve but I'm not sure. I normally take good care of my rig. I was pretty pissed at myself when I noticed the gear bag in my back seat the next day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 July 13, 2008 Do you have an AAD? How do you think those batteries react to the 150-200F temps inside that car? How about the rubber bands? How about the nylon? Wouldn't it be "fun" to find that your AAD batteries had leaked because they got too hot and spewed battery acid all over your reserve and container? Remember that every cloth component of your rig is a synthetic material. Synthetic materials that do not react well to extreme temps. Sure you might not see any visible damage, but do you think its really "good" for all the components?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #3 July 13, 2008 Dave, AS8015b 4.3.3 Compressed Pack and Environmental Tests: Three drops shall be made to the lowest applicable direct drop speed in 4.3.6 except that prior to the test the parachute assembly shall be subjected to the following preconditioning: (These tests may be combined with other tests.) 4.3.3.1 Precondition for 16 h at not less than +200 °F (93.3 °C), stabilize to ambient and test drop. 4.3.3.2 Precondition for 16 h at not greater than -40 °F (-40 °C), stabilize to ambient and test drop. At 200 degrees you start to get discoloration of the webbing from where it comes in contact with the hardware. A good friend of mine has jumped for over 40 years and his gear is always in his trunk. He will jump gear until I cut the lines off and he has never had a problem. This attachment is the Mil-Spec. on stow bands. It mentions that they must be oven tested.SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #4 July 13, 2008 I did some research on an unrelated project about trunk temps. This applied to using low temp wire for a battery relocation but I recorded a maximum trunk temp of 132F in a black car on the hottest day available. In some more reading at the time I found a document from the SAE describing that trunk materials were expected to withstand 170F temps. Out of interest I may send an email off to airtec and vigil to see what they say about the batteries. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #5 July 13, 2008 The amount of exposure you describe shouldn't be a problem. Just as a matter of interest, the hottest day available in Quebec won't come close to normal summer temps in Texas. San Diego should fall somewhere in between.You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UDSkyJunkie 0 #6 July 14, 2008 One night isn't going to hurt your gear. Rest easy. But stay pissed at yourself, and don't do it regularly. Repeated/chronic exposure to extreme heat or cold will speed the wear on your gear. There are a few scary stories from riggers who have opened up reserves owned by people who leave their gear in the trunk of the car every day all summer long. (like, even through the week)"Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #7 July 14, 2008 There are also plenty of stories of people having their rig stolen out of their vehicle; or having the vehicle stolen with a rig locked in the trunk.Take care of your gear... "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason42 0 #8 July 14, 2008 Thank you for your responses. I ended up speaking to a rigger about it before I jumped it today. He said not to worry about it as it was only in the back seat of the car in the sun for a short time and my garage didn't get hot enough to cause any problems. It is due for a repack soon anyway so I dropped it off for an I&R as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #9 July 14, 2008 QuoteIt is due for a repack soon anyway so I dropped it off for an I&R as well. Thats what a "repack" is. Inspection and repack. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 July 14, 2008 When I must leave my rig in the car during the day, I keep it in the trunk rather than the passenger compartment, not just to lock it out of sight (and that's important), but because I'm presuming the pass comp gets even hotter out in the sun than the trunk does due to the greenhouse effect. Is that correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mamajumps 0 #11 July 14, 2008 This is something that I too have worried about. The last weekend I was at Sebastian, I was unable to jump due to a non-jump related injury. My rig stayed in the trunk of my boyfriends car all weekend. I really wanted to ask the same question you just asked, but due to the lack of response on some other questions that I have asked here, I felt that this one was also "too dumb to ask". Im glad to see a response. My altimeter has been in my trunk for close to a month now, just a standard altimaster, I keep forgetting to take it out, I need to do that... thanks for posting your question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
icevideot 0 #12 July 15, 2008 Quote due to the lack of response on some other questions that I have asked here, I felt that this one was also "too dumb to ask". You need to take a breath and get over this whole train of thought. You could have a question that is really important. Worse case you find out how important in a malfunction with no one who can help you. Look around the dz and identify the riggers and instructors. Watch them interact with others and you will probably decide easily who you are the most comfortable asking these questions. Try using different search phrases here and just fish around for info but then you need to verify that the hear say is valid either with someone qualified at the dz or some of the senior members on here that you trust from their prior posts. Shoot them a pm and if you are nice they will be too. (moderators are always a safe bet but they get kind of busy sometimes.) Good luck and stay safe, Robin"... this ain't a Nerf world." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #13 July 15, 2008 I just noticed that I forgot to attach the attachment. Duh. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #14 July 16, 2008 Quote In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is due for a repack soon anyway so I dropped it off for an I&R as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats what a "repack" is. Inspection and repack. Sparky Actually, it is Air, Inspect, and Repack. I see I&R all the time on the data card, but that is not a correct recordation of what needs to be recorded. BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #15 July 17, 2008 QuoteQuote In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is due for a repack soon anyway so I dropped it off for an I&R as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats what a "repack" is. Inspection and repack. Sparky Actually, it is Air, Inspect, and Repack. I see I&R all the time on the data card, but that is not a correct recordation of what needs to be recorded. BS, MEL Where does it say "Air, Inspect, and repack? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #16 July 17, 2008 Quote Where does it say "Air, Inspect, and repack? § 65.129 Performance standards. top No certificated parachute rigger may— (c) Pack a parachute that has not been thoroughly dried and aired; BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #17 July 17, 2008 Thanks Mel, I knew it was there but damned if I could find it.Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #18 July 18, 2008 Roger That! MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #19 July 18, 2008 Learn a few new things every day. I always thought the AIR was assemble inspect repack. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #20 July 18, 2008 Quote Roger That! MEL Thanks for that MEL. I allways wondered why some of my sign offs on my PDC said AIR, and some said IR. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianfry713 0 #21 July 29, 2008 A&P - Assemble and Pack. If you're assembling it you're not really repacking it, but packing it for the first time in that rig.BASE 1224, Senior Parachute Rigger, CPL ASEL IA, AGI, IGI USPA Coach & UPT Tandem Instructor, PRO, Altimaster Field Support Representative Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #22 July 29, 2008 Quote A&P - Assemble and Pack. If you're assembling it you're not really repacking it, but packing it for the first time in that rig. Where's the (I) for the inspection portion of the sign off?Actually, you usually write "placed into service" or something to that effect..... It is always better to write out the work that was performed. For example, A. I. R.- Is it Assemble, Inspect, Repack (in the case of a used canopy) or Air , Inspect, Repack BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
