PhillyKev 0 #26 December 15, 2004 QuoteI've said it before and I'll say it again. Use Opera as a browser And I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We have business needs to go to web sites that won't work properly on Opera. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #27 December 15, 2004 not really its more like asking your Rolls mechanic to fix your Mercedes... there simply isnt enough market share to make MAC/Linux worth the Spyware makers time... but as MAC and Linux picks up more users the threats will change to focus on them too... enjoy your peace... while it lasts...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #28 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteNo offense Ivan, but you're wrong. Hey...it's just my opinion, and that's your opinion. No, actually it's fact. First of all, I'm in the field. Second, I have a very good firewall that is tested by security consultants twice a year. I am also running a personal firewall. I am also running SpyBot and Ad-Aware. And, I have IE settings on high. And I'm running 2 different pop up blockers. A did a google search for XBox, found a link to I think it was www.xboxplanet.com. The description sounded good, so I clicked on the google link. That was it. Didn't click anything else. The instant I clicked on the link on googles search page, McAfee popped up listing a dozen spyware files. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davedlg 0 #29 December 15, 2004 Ahem. Ivan BEER !!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #30 December 15, 2004 QuoteHere is some info on one of them. I found the name of the company in one of the log files of all the crap they installed on my machine and then got the remaining info from the whois at Internic... 180 Solutions, Inc. 5110 Carillon Point Kirkland, WA 98033 425-522-1200 neteng@180solutions.com another address: 3600 136th Place SE Bellevue, WA 98006 425-279-1200 or 1-866-222-9909 I don't know if this is who got you, but they seem to be one of the big offenders... I have saved all the files that were installed on my machine (either renamed them or quarantined them in Spysweeper) and will probably file a complaint with the FTC (and whoever else) when I find the time. Did u uninstall N-case from 180 solutions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #31 December 15, 2004 QuoteThere will never be a program that will keep you safe from spyware; its a very lucrative business and will be a battle between the developers trying to keep it off your computer and those trying to get it on your computer from now until the end of time. Well, see, that WAS my point. Spyware has gotten pretty hard to avoid even if you are careful. Threads like these that keep coming up just prove that. Once upon a time, you didn't need to be a programming expert in order to safely surf the net on your own computer! And as far as my general comment about the IT people I've worked with, its a GENERAL comment not specifically related to spyware but to anything computer related, and 90% is probably an exaggeration. I've been lucky enough at each of my jobs to find at least one person I can work with who is genuinely helpful without acting like they're doing me a favor by doing their job. I know MY job very well and most IT people couldn't do it, just like I couldn't do theirs. So there's my rant, and I'm sorry if it offends any IT people out there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #32 December 15, 2004 QuoteDidn't click anything else. The instant I clicked on the link on googles search page, McAfee popped up listing a dozen spyware files. It means McAfee caught the bastards, and that's good, not because you see a warning from your firewall it means that you got the virus/spyware/malware etc. That can't be avoided, but if after having all those things you have loaded and runing still have issues, then it's a different game. Testing for security "twice a year"...now that's interesting.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #33 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteI've said it before and I'll say it again. Use Opera as a browser And I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We have business needs to go to web sites that won't work properly on Opera. So do we. I just set it up to identify as itself as IE, and I've never had a problem with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,517 #34 December 15, 2004 About IT people in help positions. You hear the same problems, again and again. They are real problems; sometimes you know the answer, sometimes you don't. But what neither IT people nor the users remember is that a. most computer instructions are written either by IT people who don't know how to write, or by writers who don't really know the software b. most people read some of the instructions, and then extrapolate to what they'd really like the computer to do c. IT people are more likely to understand the underlying structure, so their "logical guesses" are much more likely to work. It's really a no-win situation. Because what really is inherently obvious to someone who does it all the time, really is just utterly nonsensical to someone who isn't. Think about the last time a whuffo told you about skydiving, from their perspective. Now imagine having to deal with whuffos all the time, because it's your job to field their questions. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #35 December 15, 2004 Quotedon't click on anything but the X in the upper right hand corner. ------------------------------------------------------------- And you even have to be careful with that...some popups will even have a "fake" X that opens up a whole can of worms. For starters i don't click that shit at all. I'm an Alt/F4 girl thank you. I do run updates and anti virus, anti spyware crap. The fact is i will never know as much as an IT computer geek person. Spyware will get by me because the people that make it are smarter than me, does't mean i'm stupid though. I really don't like condescending people. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #36 December 15, 2004 QuoteOnce upon a time, you didn't need to be a programming expert in order to safely surf the net on your own computer! Yup, but we humans like to "complicate" things and always want BIGGER things, what? I'm browsing the net and NO GRAPHICS? NO SOUNDS? NO THIS NO THAT?. QuoteSo there's my rant, and I'm sorry if it offends any IT people out there! Non taken, it's normal to "assume" that because someone lacks knowledge on something, "the whole world" think we are ignorants.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #37 December 15, 2004 I don't disagree. Its frustrating to deal with, that's all. As an example, at my old company the system we relied the most on was designed and maintained by people who had no clue what we really did and obviously did not have to use and depend on said system on a day to day basis. They think it runs just fine, when from a user standpoint, it was crap! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #38 December 15, 2004 This is why I'm glad I'm computer retarded. For me the pop-ups are like the 4th of July. Proceed.......... _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #39 December 15, 2004 QuoteThis is why I'm glad I'm computer retarded. For me the pop-ups are like the 4th of July. Proceed.......... BBWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #40 December 15, 2004 People are defining parts of this problem as "I clicked on this and off it went...". There are other means of execution that people may not understand. ActiveX controls can execute independently. To work on this problem, I do this: Go to Internet Options/Security/Internet, press 'default level', then OK. Go to back to Internet Options/Security/Internet, Now press "Custom Level." In the ActiveX section, set the first two options ("Download signed and unsigned ActiveX controls) to 'prompt', and "Initialize and Script ActiveX controls not marked as safe" to 'disable'. Now you will be asked whether you want ActiveX objects to be executed and whether you want software to be installed. Since I am not a PC geek, this is offered as a suggestion. Any corrections would be welcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #41 December 15, 2004 I think what Philly Kev said at the start of the thread is still the best solution! Find them ALL and nail them to the wall by their balls! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ad151 0 #42 December 15, 2004 QuoteThis is why I'm glad I'm computer retarded. For me the pop-ups are like the 4th of July. Proceed.......... ROFLMFAO!! nice You are the reason spyware companies make so much money;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #43 December 15, 2004 QuoteNow you will be asked whether you want ActiveX objects to be executed and whether you want software to be installed. [Typical user's voice] What?...do I have to do that al the time...NO WAY!!, I'm gonna disable EVERYTHING, I don't have time...besides, I have to punch the monkey and win a free iPod[/Typical user's voice] Might sound like a joke, but is not. But you are right taking those precautions, good for you.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jskydiver22 0 #44 December 15, 2004 Well, we could always call and harass the people who answer the numbers that shotgun gave us. Or, we could subscribe them to TONS of junk email lists, or even snail mail lists, we could send them death threats or....oh, well i better stop now. --I don't even know enough to know that I dont know-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #45 December 15, 2004 QuoteI think what Philly Kev said at the start of the thread is still the best solution! Find them ALL and nail them to the wall by their balls! A better way is to beat them with their own stick. We all get popups that want our email address. If you know the name of their company, usually there is an "info" or "webmaster" person. Spam them. Anytime that I am asked for my email address to get free info about a product or (better yet) free passwords to porn sites... I give them "webmaster@spywarecompany.com" or "info@sw.com" How much info about penis enlargement do you think they would prefer to receive? How about... all of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerrcoin 0 #46 December 15, 2004 QuoteQuotedon't click on anything but the X in the upper right hand corner. And you even have to be careful with that...some popups will even have a "fake" X that opens up a whole can of worms. Learn this keyboard shortcut - ALT + F4 will close the active window, so when presented with those javascript popup dialogs close it using this method. You can make a window active by clicking any where in it (not the buttons obviously). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerrcoin 0 #47 December 15, 2004 Quote Anytime that I am asked for my email address to get free info about a product or (better yet) free passwords to porn sites... I give them "webmaster@spywarecompany.com" or "info@sw.com" How much info about penis enlargement do you think they would prefer to receive? How about... all of it. I always enter webmaster@127.0.0.1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #48 December 15, 2004 Doesn't CTRL W do the same thing? Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #49 December 15, 2004 QuoteIt means McAfee caught the bastards, and that's good, not because you see a warning from your firewall it means that you got the virus/spyware/malware etc. No, McAfee didn't catch the bastards. It found the bastards and reported unable to clean. And this was not an alert from the firewall, it was an alert from VShield. I had to spend 4 hours tracking down all the files and registry entries it created. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #50 December 15, 2004 QuoteLearn this keyboard shortcut - ALT + F4 will close the active window, so when presented with those javascript popup dialogs close it using this method. You can make a window active by clicking any where in it (not the buttons obviously). Alt+Tab brings the focus to a given window without clicking on it at all; then you can use alt+F4. The fact of the matter is all major web browsers have security holes, some just happen to be exploited more frequently then others. You can reduce your risk a lot by using something that isn't as hot in the spotlight as IE. Firewalls and antivirus/spyware programs also go a long way. But the problem being stated here is that you must use IE all the time, and you're complaining that spyware gets through even though you've done everything you can to stop it... well... congradulations... that sucks. Did you want a pat on the back and a "there there"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
