shunkka 0 #1 November 30, 2004 what happen at ur dz if u LOST the main after a cutaway?- on a rent rig who pay it? or what happen if u have a cypress fire on a rent rig who pay the reserve repack and other costs? just curious ------------------------- "jump, have fun, pull" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #2 November 30, 2004 depends....... Most DZ's have a waiver "Rental Agreement". Most waivers say "you lost it.....you bought it" In other word "YOU PAY" <> Tami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #3 November 30, 2004 i lost my handles on a rent rig and pay for them both.....serves me right though. Learnt a lesson there .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shunkka 0 #4 November 30, 2004 i rent rigs in italy and hungary and noone told me somthing about this kind of "incident" that why i ask ------------------------- "jump, have fun, pull" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,030 #5 November 30, 2004 > what happen at ur dz if u LOST the main after a cutaway?- on a rent rig Then you have to do whatever you agreed to when you rented the rig. In most places you have to replace the main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 November 30, 2004 The ONLY fair way to everyone is to have the user pay for -all- replacement and repack costs. The reasoning is that a careful user should not have to pay higher rental fees to cover the costs incurred by users not interested in finding the gear. Same goes for sloppy packing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YahooLV 0 #7 November 30, 2004 You pay for it!! Next question, pleasehttp://www.curtisglennphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #8 November 30, 2004 I would hafta agree w/ most everyone else, you should pay it since you were the one who lost the canopy. Now when it comes to reserve repacks, if you have a really sweet rigger you might not have to pay for the repack. (but you still owe him his favorite bottle) Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #9 November 30, 2004 Quotewhat happen at ur dz if u LOST the main after a cutaway?- on a rent rig who pay it? or what happen if u have a cypress fire on a rent rig who pay the reserve repack and other costs? just curious Check the rental agreement that you signed, if you signed one at all. If you signed an RA then you are obligated to do whatever the RA says; it's a contract between you and the DZO. If this did not happen before you used the rental gear, then you need to make an arragement with the DZO for restitution. Try not to go for buying the DZ a completely new main if that wasn't a brand new main you were jumping. The value of the main depreciated before you jumped it, so what you should be paying should be less than the original cost. The DZO is not going to let you get a main, its his rental gear. So talk with the DZO and ask about your options. Example: If the new one is going to cost $1,000 and the one in the rig was due to be replaced May of next year and is 2 years old, has had some punctures fixed and been relined, you may just need to contribute less than $500 towards the cost of a new one. If that was a new main in that rig... oh boy... try to make a deal with the DZO. You could buy the complete rig off the DZO and that becomes your new rig! Stick a new main in and buy an AAD for it. I'm sure you'll work something out. If this is your home DZ, your DZO wouldn't spill milk over something like this. Hmm maybe I can start a gear insurance company for skydivers who keep losing their shit? ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #10 November 30, 2004 i think if you are making $$ on the equipment it is your risk. Just my personal opinion though. are we allowed to have personal opinions anymore or will people write threads about why my opinion is stupid? ~Chachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #11 November 30, 2004 As a follow up... I pulled silver on a rent rig. Lost one handle and had to pay for that and also paid the repack costs. The reserve had to be replaced which the DZ ate that cost. Considering there wasn't an AAD in it when I used the reserve I think it was something like $60 bucks I had to pay, nothing major. It was the hospital bill copay for out-of-network emergency care that really got me. Who'd a thunk it would cost $400 to put a shoulder back into a socket? I can do it on my own when I dislocate it now and it costs me $0! ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #12 November 30, 2004 at our DZ it would depend of the reason of the cutaway... P.S. where do you jump in Hungary ??scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #13 November 30, 2004 QuoteWho'd a thunk it would cost $400 to put a shoulder back into a socket? I can do it on my own when I dislocate it now and it costs me $0! Yikes. I almost passed out when i was in the ER with someone while he got his shoulder put back in place. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #14 November 30, 2004 In NYC, three stiches in a hand wound cost me $600. To add insult to injury, the sutures were incredibly badly applied. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 November 30, 2004 The person who rented it. Only a fink would try to welch out of it......---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #16 November 30, 2004 QuoteThe person who rented it. Only a fink would try to welch out of it...... What gets me is that some people treat rental gear like they do rental cars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #17 November 30, 2004 QuoteWhat gets me is that some people treat rental gear like they do rental cars. Hey that would be ok, if there were optional insurance avaliable. Don't buy it? then you pay. Buy it? you're cool......---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #18 November 30, 2004 QuoteAs a follow up... I pulled silver on a rent rig. Lost one handle and had to pay for that and also paid the repack costs. The reserve had to be replaced which the DZ ate that cost. Considering there wasn't an AAD in it when I used the reserve I think it was something like $60 bucks I had to pay, nothing major. It was the hospital bill copay for out-of-network emergency care that really got me. Who'd a thunk it would cost $400 to put a shoulder back into a socket? I can do it on my own when I dislocate it now and it costs me $0! Wow! This does not sound like it was the average cutaway! I was gonna ask why it was so hard to keep the handle, because it wasn't even a thought when I had my only cutaway back in October... but whatever happened to you seems to have been a bit more trying! What went on?? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #19 November 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteWho'd a thunk it would cost $400 to put a shoulder back into a socket? I can do it on my own when I dislocate it now and it costs me $0! Yikes. I almost passed out when i was in the ER with someone while he got his shoulder put back in place. Shit, I would love to have seen that! Me, all I've ever seen was some guy who worked in the kitchen when I was working at TGIFriday's get a few stitches in the base of his thumb after he stabbed it while cutting avocados. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #20 November 30, 2004 You pay. Don't like the agreement? Buy your own gear. Then when you lose it, you pay. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shunkka 0 #21 November 30, 2004 Thanks for the answers... this is a totaly hypotetical question and YES.. fair and normal is to pay for it ------------------------- "jump, have fun, pull" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #22 November 30, 2004 An exception to that rule is with student gear when you are a student at that school. I had a cutaway on my 4th solo, I was high and way out, so the main ended up at least 2 miles away - we never found the freebag. They had to get the otter to fly around and find the main. I ended up almost to the prison, as the toggle lines were long and they did nothing with slight input, so I let the wind have me and drifted like 4 miles south. Anyway, Al Gramando was real cool about it, and I was fair too, I spent 3 hurs looking for the GD thing along with them. I was going to get my own truck the next morning out there and spend my gas loking for it if we didn't find it. We got it just before sunset. Anyway, I guess student gear is usually a bit different since they are kinda responsible for you. I had a cutaway there about a year and a half ago with my own gear - followed it down and the chop handle, which I dropped, was even near the main - how friken lucky for a 5k chop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bip 0 #23 November 30, 2004 I think it should depend on how much the rental costs. If it is rented for non profit (covers gear depreciation + replacement) then I think the rentee should pay for anything that gets lost. Conversly, if the rig operates on a profit then I think the DZ should cover anything that gets lost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #24 November 30, 2004 I don't get it....assuming that the DZ is doing the packing and maintenance, if rental gear had a mal why should the jumper have to pay if the main is not found? Lost handles I can see, but all the rest for something beyond the jumper's control? I mean you can't control when you will have the mal, you can't control where the main lands and you definitely can't control the need to pull the reserve....to me is should be a cost of doing business. Sorry DZOs....you know we love you and couldn't get along without you but...... PS: to the comment about abusing rental gear.....If I was a DZO and I caught someone abusing my gear....Zip, Bingo, you're gone! Just call me a hard-ass.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #25 November 30, 2004 At most dropzones YOU are responsible for anything you rent or borrow. Canopies do not grow on trees, but it's amazing how many people think it's cool to leave them hanging in them after a cutaway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Bip 0 #23 November 30, 2004 I think it should depend on how much the rental costs. If it is rented for non profit (covers gear depreciation + replacement) then I think the rentee should pay for anything that gets lost. Conversly, if the rig operates on a profit then I think the DZ should cover anything that gets lost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #24 November 30, 2004 I don't get it....assuming that the DZ is doing the packing and maintenance, if rental gear had a mal why should the jumper have to pay if the main is not found? Lost handles I can see, but all the rest for something beyond the jumper's control? I mean you can't control when you will have the mal, you can't control where the main lands and you definitely can't control the need to pull the reserve....to me is should be a cost of doing business. Sorry DZOs....you know we love you and couldn't get along without you but...... PS: to the comment about abusing rental gear.....If I was a DZO and I caught someone abusing my gear....Zip, Bingo, you're gone! Just call me a hard-ass.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #25 November 30, 2004 At most dropzones YOU are responsible for anything you rent or borrow. Canopies do not grow on trees, but it's amazing how many people think it's cool to leave them hanging in them after a cutaway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
