USC: Proof the BCS is broken

[AggieDave 6]

USC is number one. Why? Sure they've won all of their games, but look at their strength of schedule. Taking a study break I decided to find data to back up my claim.

Who's number 4 in the nation for the hardest schedule for the season? Texas A&M. We're doing pretty good thus far, after a rough start with the first game.
Here ya go:

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Didn't you just know the BCS system would get tinkered with this off-season after the dual national championship debacle of 2003? It's as if tinkering with the system will fix a situation where you have multiple teams with the same record complaining. In a highly questionable move, NCAA heads have now removed SOS and "Quality Win" totals out of the formula. In other words, it doesn't matter who you play…just win, baby.


Southern California - Thumbs down for the USC Trojans and the non-championship game Pac Ten conference. As ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit was quoted as saying last fall when Oklahoma and LSU were awarded the BCS Championship Bowl slots, "Don't cry for USC...they don't play a conference championship game." Yes, the Trojans face ONE Top 25 opponent in 2004, that being 20th ranked Cal. This can be reflected in their paltry 64th schedule ranking. In defense of USC, the Pac Ten is down in terms of Top 25 competition and the non-conference slate of Virginia Tech, Colorado State, BYU and Notre Dame is nothing to scoff at during most seasons. But, it just so happens that these teams are all on the current preseason downswing

http://www.nationalchamps.net/2004/sos/index.htm

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[tunaplanet 0]

BCS is fine. USC is the best team in the nation.

Forty-two

[AggieDave 6]

Tuna,

The sky is blue.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[voodew1 0]

Sorry but the aggies suck and the horns do to!!!!!

The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

[AggieDave 6]

See, now you're supposed to come back and say "no its not, its purple."

You know, an outrageous claim with no facts to back up your opinion.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[AggieDave 6]

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Sorry but the aggies suck and the horns do to!!!!!

You must be a Baylor fan...



Jason,

What are your thoughts on the BCS, though, especially with the changes they made after last season?

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[tunaplanet 0]

I didn't respond because your assessment of the sky being blue was correct. I only interject when bullshit claims are made.

Forty-two

[AggieDave 6]

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I only interject when bullshit claims are made.

Lets see it, I tossed up data to back up my opinion. Where's your data? Without any sort of data to substantiate your claim, its just that, a wild claim with no bearing in reality.

I'm sure you'll think of something like "well USC is number 1" however, that proves my point exactly and supports the data that I have already presented.

So where is it, show me what you've got.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[PLFKING 4]

It's time to end this BCS farce.

Take the Top 32 teams after the season, seed them, and have a tournament as in basketball. Ideally, I'd rather see the Top 16, but adding one extra week eliminates a possible Fresno State or Boise State being ranked in the Top 25 but being left out, and whining about it ad nauseum.

32 teams could finish a playoff in 5 weeks....games could be scheduled for both Saturday AND Sunday, so the networks could get their bucks too...I'm sure the non-NFL networks (NBC, ABC, FSN and ESPN) would wage a bidding war for the broadcast rights, so the NCAA wins again.

Higher-ranked team plays at home, until the Elite 8....Elite 8 games and on through the finals are played at neutral sites that would normally have bowl games (i.e. Arizona, Pasadena, Florida, etc...).

The Bull Crap System doesn't work....a playoff system isn't totally fair either, but it's better. Would you want your NCAA basketball championship game played between two teams that were voted in, or between two teams that fought their way into it ?


Don

"When in doubt I whip it out,
I got me a rock-and-roll band.
It's a free-for-all."

[AggieDave 6]

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Would you want your NCAA basketball championship game played between two teams that were voted in, or between two teams that fought their way into it ?

Wait, Texas A&M has a basketball team?






Ok, seriously though.

What you are talking about is the sort of thing I would love to see, they could even trim one of the non-confrence games off the regular season giving room for a playoff bracket system. Each confrence sends their winners to a tournament system, they battle it out then at the end of the season they play in the Keg Bowl or whatever they want to call it.

Although there are two teams that are I-A that are not in confrences, that can easily be fixed.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[sdctlc 0]

The BCS needs to be fixed with a playoff, BUT that said and short of that since it will be years till it happens the AGGIES have sucked ass for many years. They have been getting there arses handed to them recently which is too bad for a good program. They look to be turing the tide to being a better program but the conference is tough and just because they have some wins dont start calling BS since they are not ranked where you want them to be..... The system is still like it was with the coaches and AP polls for years ..

A&M Record: (5-1) Rankings: AP: 17 Coaches' Poll: 20

Besides the BCS rankings have not come out yet so take a chil till they come out..... Right now it is like it has always been. If you feel shat upon when the BCS starts to kick in then maybe you have an argument but right now nobody is going to argue that it needs some more work and ultimatly a playoff..

Have no fear though, the aggies have plenty of time to choke away some wins. So you know I am a Va Tech Fan and Alumni! GO HOKIES

Record: (5-2) Rankings: AP: 23 Coaches' Poll: 22

Scott C.

"He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!"

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Although there are two teams that are I-A that are not in confrences, that can easily be fixed.

Don't worry about the Irish. They would always make the Top 32, because so many sportswriters graduated from there.

Although I've always considered the Irish cowards for not joining the Big 10, I guess they were right in the long run. Penn State took the next invitation, and they've fallen steadily downhill. Hard to make a run at the national championship year after year when your own conference is beating you up every week.

Don

"When in doubt I whip it out,
I got me a rock-and-roll band.
It's a free-for-all."

[AggieDave 6]

Yeah, the Aggies have had a rough couple of years, especially since the really awsome Big 12 championship game in 1998, but I was refering to more then just if the Aggies would be ranked or not.

My overall point is that the BCS is broken, Aggies or not and the fact that the number 1 team right now has had one of the easiest SOS of all the top 25 teams is pretty lame.


I don't feel like the Aggies will finish with a great season, I don't think we'll finish with an overall bad season, but I also see the tide changing with Coach Fran and I know that within a couple of more seasons the Aggies will be seriously kicking ass.

So please believe me when I say its more then just A&M's ranking, I feel like we're ranked just about in the right spot for our ability this year.



(Although I think that since the A&M vs. OU game is at Kyle Field, all bets are off, with the backing of the 12th Man, A&M pulls out some serious games at home but that's a discussion for another thread).

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[champu 1]

the BCS is completely retarded, I agree. You can't just have a ton of chaotic games across the country and then say "these are the two best teams, fight!"

By the previous rules, if you had a conference that wasn't strong, you could win as many games as you wanted and no one cared. With the new rules, you don't get rewarded for having a challenging season.

BTW, do we get any credit for crushing ASU(19) yesterday?

[kelpdiver 2]

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Lets see it, I tossed up data to back up my opinion. Where's your data? Without any sort of data to substantiate your claim, its just that, a wild claim with no bearing in reality.

Sure, but your quoted data was bullshit.

USC played Cal, as you note. But somehow you missed the formerly 5-0 ASU this past week. Virginia Tech in the opener, and Notre Dame next month. And Cal was never ranked as low as 20th.

SoS - I see A&M at 43rd, USC at 50. (teamrankings.com) Not sure if that projects the entire season, or only games played so far. Until the end, we don't really know. I've seen SC's SoS listed as high as 3 (CBS Sportsline).

So USC has beaten 3 ranked teams, and undefeated teams for 3 straight weeks. Your Aggies split two, getting spanked badly by Utah. The meat of your schedule comes at the end with Oklahoma, Texas, and the surprising Texas Tech. Beat them and you'll get a nice BCS bowl. Lose, and you can quit your whining.

The system works well enough now, with the shame that removing strength of schedule has lead certain conferences (read SEC and Big 12) to schedule I-AAs and other OOC patsies, nearly always at home.

And I'd happily put up Cal against anyone in your conference.

[AggieDave 6]

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Sure, but your quoted data was bullshit.

So you think so, eh? Good for you. I can see you're a USC fan and have a large chip on your shoulder.

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And I'd happily put up Cal against anyone in your conference.

That's the point. If you read the rest of the thread you'd see I mentioned this doesn't have anything to do with A&M's standings this season.

The point is, lets say the season was over right now, would OU and USC play each other in a bowl game and would that be the right choices? Who knows if they're the right choices, there wasn't a good system in place to determine they deserved to be in a championship game besides a screwed up formula.

Besides OU would whip the shit out of USC.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[kelpdiver 2]

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Sure, but your quoted data was bullshit.

So you think so, eh? Good for you. I can see you're a USC fan and have a large chip on your shoulder.

The Cal comment should have made it clear.

In any event, no, I don't *think* so, I *know* so, and my proof was provided. USC currently has 4 ranked teams on their schedule, not one, and not a "20th ranked" California. If you're going to provide "proof," it should actually be true, don't you think?

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Besides OU would whip the shit out of USC.

Like they beat up on a pathetic Kansas State? Real impressive....

[NickB 0]

Lets squash all of this. Now that FSU has gotten rid of the burden that was Chris Rix, they are going to come from behind as all of the top 5 teams slowly loose game after game and win the National Championship led by their savior, Wyatt Sexton! Go Noles!

[kelpdiver 2]

Certainly could happen. Florida is the only ranked team left. But winning the bowl is a different thing - FSU lost the only big game on the schedule.

But if you can't get to the top 2, good chance of no BCS bowl at all. Too bad we can't rescind the BEC berth.

[AggieDave 6]

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If you're going to provide "proof," it should actually be true, don't you think?

Yup, true just like how the BCS worked wonderfully well last year providing us a single proven national champion.

Oh, wait.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[tunaplanet 0]

Texas A&M ranked 16th. Woot!

Forty-two

[BillyVance 34]

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Although there are two teams that are I-A that are not in confrences, that can easily be fixed.

Don't worry about the Irish. They would always make the Top 32, because so many sportswriters graduated from there.

Although I've always considered the Irish cowards for not joining the Big 10, I guess they were right in the long run. Penn State took the next invitation, and they've fallen steadily downhill. Hard to make a run at the national championship year after year when your own conference is beating you up every week.

Which is the very reason FSU and Miami wouldn't join the SEC when the opportunity knocked on their doors. It takes a really special team from the SEC to make it through the season and conf. championship game to get to the national championship game and then win it. I don't think the SEC has done too badly since we went to the division format in 1992. There's been 4 national champions, all different schools, from the SEC in 12 years. Watch out for Auburn, they might be next this year... but not if I get my wish (I'm a Bama fan!)

For what it's worth, they should have left the SOS in the formula. To balance it off, take more points away for losses than before. If you lose your conference championship game, forget it, you're out.

Forget the playoffs. It ain't gonna happen, at least not in my lifetime. The bowls are too well set for that to happen. Maybe a 4 team playoff would work, but no more than that.

Blue Skies
Billy

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[AggieDave 6]

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Texas A&M ranked 16th. Woot!

That is kinda cool, but I still don't think this is A&M's "year" soon, but not yet.

Although, I still think the BCS is broken, even though the ranking is nice I still believe there should be a playoff system. Leaving a true national champion after battling it out through a proper system and having a true championship game.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."