fogobo 0 #26 March 1, 2010 The new Racers are nothing like the old and are worth a second look. Only the pop-top remained the same. No flap over the PC. It is totally free-fly friendly, magnetic riser covers, protected reserve pins, and oh yeah, comfortable too. Because of its tailoring it isn't like a brick or a box on your back. The service that Jumpshack provides is excellent and personal. A Racer is like the Mac of rigs, and not the PC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #27 March 1, 2010 Quote This is my new 2K3 Stealth Racer Is it called the Stealth Racer because it's all blackIf so then I have a stealth Mirage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miami 0 #28 March 1, 2010 Quote If so then I have a stealth Mirage They give you a discount for that? No? Jumpshack does...Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #29 March 1, 2010 Quote Quote If so then I have a stealth Mirage They give you a discount for that? No? Jumpshack does... Discount for all black or additional charge for colors other than black? Depends on how you look at it I guess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #30 March 1, 2010 Quote My PDR was made in 96! Your PD-R, which was manufactured in 1996, was DESIGNED in 1989. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #31 March 1, 2010 QuoteThe new Racers are nothing like the old and are worth a second look. Only the pop-top remained the same. No flap over the PC. It is totally free-fly friendly, magnetic riser covers, protected reserve pins, and oh yeah, comfortable too. Because of its tailoring it isn't like a brick or a box on your back. The service that Jumpshack provides is excellent and personal. A Racer is like the Mac of rigs, and not the PC. I know, I own three Racer's (one of which is a 2K3) and a Strong pop top. I know a lot about Racer's and Jumpshack's services so you don't have to preach to the choir. I was pretty much factory trained. I was just making a reference to what was said with two pins being 80's tech when one-pin reserve came out in the 70's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #32 March 1, 2010 QuoteIs it called the Stealth Racer because it's all black If so then I have a stealth Mirage The Stealth Racer is not called that because it is all black. The Stealth Racer is a very standard Racer with very few to no options to keep the price down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fogobo 0 #33 March 2, 2010 If Jumpshack could get the reserve pins down to one would be a good thing. Less is more. It would also cost less to have a single cutter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packing_jarrett 0 #34 March 2, 2010 it would be nice to save the $300 on the cutters but I read the 2 pin design keeps the cap nice and tight but does not increase the pull force, unlike the reflex/ teardrop. makes sense. I like my classic racers.Na' Cho' Cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #35 March 2, 2010 John Sherman has had a one-pin design and patent for years. He believes the two pin is a better system and sticks with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #36 March 2, 2010 QuoteJohn Sherman has had a one-pin design and patent for years. He believes the two pin is a better system and sticks with it. at the cost of an extremely low market penetration. Personally, they way I see it, once the "old school" jumpers stop jumping , Jumpshack will run out of customers :( (for the purpose of this thread, lets define old school as consisting of mostly four digit USPA D-numbers and foreign equivalents) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #37 March 2, 2010 Quoteat the cost of an extremely low market penetration. so what? at least there are some people (read gear designers/manufacturers) left who bother to think outside the box. personally i like the thought that there is more outside than just clones of the b-guys ideas to the OP: nice rig!The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #38 March 2, 2010 Read more into it. low market penetration=low sales=less profit=less $$$ for development & redesign I can stretch that chain of deductions into being unsafe, but that obviously is a stretch. many new riggers don't know how to pack a Racer or how to pack it well. The recent tandem double fatality occurred because of a misrouted RSL. Of course you can argue that it was the riggers fault - and I would have to agree. However, when the system is build so different from what's the "standard" - it's hard to be current on it, and humans will always make mistakes. Wasn't it Jumpshack that in the late 80s/early 90s insisted on having a 4ft main bridle ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #39 March 2, 2010 pfffffffff brand wars again Quote many new riggers don't know how to pack a Racer then it's their turn not to pack them. period. plus: if one decides to buy a racer usually they have a rigger on hand/site to pack it (this is an asumption, i know) Quote The recent tandem double fatality what has this to do with a racer sports rig? right: nothing! Quote from what's the "standard" some people prefer to use niche-products that have proved to work very well for decades for various reasons Quote and humans will always make mistakes. and that can be said about almost anything next The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pantanal 0 #40 March 2, 2010 Not defensive, Just would like you to know my thoughts about your poor coment. I´m sure you can do much better than that. I jump racer, Infinity and Seven containers and they´re all great rigs. no offense safe jumpsprego Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #41 March 2, 2010 Quoteat the cost of an extremely low market penetration. Personally, they way I see it, once the "old school" jumpers stop jumping , Jumpshack will run out of customers :( (for the purpose of this thread, lets define old school as consisting of mostly four digit USPA D-numbers and foreign equivalents) I think what is keeping jumpshack alive more than anything is JCO metals their company that builds handles, ripcords and pins. They supply most of the industry with them. Their military contracts probably help as well. Really once John Sherman retires the company will probably start to do a lot better. I have never met him personally but met pretty much everyone else there. My impression is that he really controls how some of the things are because he designed it and doesn't want it to be changed or it is of the nature that he tells people what they need and want. If they acted more like other companies where they listened more to the customer and gave them a product they asked for I feel they would do better. After all that is why some of the companies have grown to the size they have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #42 March 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteat the cost of an extremely low market penetration. Personally, they way I see it, once the "old school" jumpers stop jumping , Jumpshack will run out of customers :( (for the purpose of this thread, lets define old school as consisting of mostly four digit USPA D-numbers and foreign equivalents) I think what is keeping jumpshack alive more than anything is JCO metals there company that builds handles, ripcords and pins. They supply most of the industry with them. Their military contracts probably help as well. Really once John Sherman retires the company will probably start to do a lot better. I have never met him personally but met pretty much everyone else there. My impression is that he really controls how some of the things are because he designed it and doesn't want it to be changed or it is of the nature that he tells people what they need and want. If they acted more like other companies where they listened more to the customer and gave them a product they asked for I feel they would do better. After all that is why some of the companies have grown to the size they have. and I agree 150% with you ! Jumpshack gives me an impression of a stubborn, and extremely unwilling to change company. From talking to many of the people who have been around much longer then me, and having come from an all-Racer dropzone I have seen and worked with plenty of gear to back up what I say. To me, the magnetic riser covers are about the only useful feature that Jumpshack has. whoever mentioned brand wars may not realize that I have jumped ALL the containers that have passed through me (that I could fit into :), which is to say pretty much all the even mildly popular stuff in the US for the last 20 years - so I say what I say based on a fair bit of first hand experience rather than on having owned a single brand and sticking with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #43 March 2, 2010 I agree, well for the most part. There are a couple more features that I like but I really don't know how much they really make a difference or if they would be enough for me to purchase or recommend a Racer over something else. I do want to mention something about comfort that many people bring up with these rigs. They are comfortable but there are plenty of comfortable rigs out there some much more than the Racer. Last year I did 202 jumps in 24 hours and the rig that was really helping me out as far as comfort goes was not the Racer 2K3 that is sized for me but another rig from another manufacturer. Doing 5-10 jumps in a day, pretty much any rig that fits will be comfortable. Doing a lot more than that and things change quite a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #44 March 2, 2010 QuoteRead more into it. low market penetration=low sales=less profit=less $$$ for development & redesign Yeah for all that development and redesign that Racer is famous for!BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dokeman 0 #45 March 2, 2010 I love mine! I just ordered another one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #46 March 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteRead more into it. low market penetration=low sales=less profit=less $$$ for development & redesign Yeah for all that development and redesign that Racer is famous for! I agree with you on redesign. When you have a product that works the way it is supposed to why would you redesign it? Most designs happen because there is some flaw in the product. As for the development part, I disagree with you 100%. There has been developments from JumpShack and some have been fairly large. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenkincb00 0 #47 March 3, 2010 IMHO...Racers are no more difficult to pack than any other manufacturer. I would infact rather pack my racer than my mirage (those springs are a pain in the ass). Racers are just different, but the rsl routing is basically the same and the gear check is the same, meaning if you can't tell that an RSL is misrouted on a Javelin I doubt you could tell on a racer or any other rig for that matter. I just got a javelin in the other day that had an rsl all twisted to shit. It was routed properly but twisted to the point that I knew the jumper wasn't checking his gear properly prior to jumping it so I showed him the way it should be. Bottom line is that I hear many "newer" jumpers simply repeating the opinions that others have about the racer without having any experience/knowledge of the rig. I'm neutral on rig, I do like the newer freefly friendly additions but I'm not sold on the "speedbag". To the original poster...nice looking rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #48 March 4, 2010 I have to agree with you. but with mag riser covers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faicon9493 141 #49 March 4, 2010 (for the purpose of this thread, lets define old school as consisting of mostly four digit USPA D-numbers and foreign equivalents) Hey! I resemble that remark! (LOL) By the way, I owned a racer back in the day and it was the most comfortable H/C I ever owned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #50 March 18, 2010 and all that can be changed by the one pin version right ? smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
