peek 21 #1 October 29, 2009 Page 63, November 2009 Parachutist. Wow. I always thought that if someone ever got a picture of a line dump, that it would be on a Tandem. Now, the question is, does that look like a true "line dump", as in all the lines coming unstowed at once? It seems like it, but I wonder what is beyond the top of that photo. I wonder if the drogue is inflated at that point. (There doesn't seem to be much tension from the canopy attachment point to further up the bridle, but maybe that is a transient force, or lack of.) Anyone know the photographer, Brian Rowland, and can ask what else he saw? Can anyone identify the rig? And how this manufacturer recommends stowing lines? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #2 October 29, 2009 How 'bout a scan of said photo? ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #3 October 29, 2009 Its a Racer Tandem. I thought the Speed Bag design was to eliminate that situation from ever occurring.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slurp56 0 #4 October 29, 2009 Somebody a bit smarter than I suggested that this is not a photo of line dump, but more accurately, bag strip. Edit: Not that I claim to be smart or anything. I'm just in here stirring the pot.________________________________________ I have proof-read this post 500 times, but I guarantee you'll still manage to find a flaw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 October 30, 2009 I'd tend to agree since the canopy is still cocooned and the bag is out of frame almost as if the canopy is being pulled out of the container after its already had the bag pulled off of it. Once again this is something that the Speed Bag design was to eliminate. I would be curious to hear if this was a speed bag equipped for the main or if this was a regular main bag.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 21 #6 October 30, 2009 QuoteSomebody a bit smarter than I suggested that this is not a photo of line dump, but more accurately, bag strip. Actually, yes, I had forgotten that other term. In order for the bag to strip off the canopy, the lines either had to dump off, or something broke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #7 October 30, 2009 QuoteHow 'bout a scan of said photo? Please.dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #8 October 30, 2009 First generation Racer Tandems had regular d-bags, held closed by 4 rubber bands. Speed bags (with a dozen locking stows) came later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,436 #9 October 30, 2009 Hi Gary, When I saw that photo it made me cringe. That customer is getting a little something 'extra' for their money. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 October 30, 2009 QuoteHow 'bout a scan of said photo? Just got my issue in the mail today. Here it is, a scary photo for Halloween. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #11 October 30, 2009 Yikes, not something a cameraflyer wants to see... Anyone know how that opening went? ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #12 October 31, 2009 At least they have a speed bag in the reserve tray too. But then again with that double RSL system, um Im quitting now while Im ahead. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 October 31, 2009 Quote At least they have a speed bag in the reserve tray too. But then again with that double RSL system, um Im quitting now while Im ahead. +1---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #14 October 31, 2009 That is exactly why I am so strongly against the use of regular rubber bands for locking stows. They are too likely to break when you don't want them to. They can easily break while your rig is packed up before you deploy, they can easily break when the bag is getting lifted off your back and there is increased stress on the locking stows. Even the design of the Racer speed bag acknowledges this point. That is why they have SO many rubber bands used, they don't trust just a few to do such a critical function. Of course the pic in question may have resulted from something besides broken rubber bands.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #15 October 31, 2009 Quote That is exactly why I am so strongly against the use of regular rubber bands Quote Of course the pic in question may have resulted from something besides broken rubber bands. That's some funny shit there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #16 October 31, 2009 QuoteYikes, not something a cameraflyer wants to see... Anyone know how that opening went? The only thing they say about this opening is "Fortunately, the main canopy opened properly and did not need to be cut away" They didnt say how hard this opening was. They just said that "line dump can result in a very hard opening".Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #17 October 31, 2009 Correct, BAG STRIP.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #18 October 31, 2009 Look a little closer at the photo Gary. You can see the lines from the risers are going up to a common point just out of frame (at least one rubber band held) and then a group of lines comes down (to the canopy) slightly to the left of the "upgoing" lines. It also appears the drogue is collapsed at this point. Perhaps the videographer can post a U Tube of this skydive so we can analyze it further?“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #19 November 1, 2009 Are there any other photos showing this develop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 November 1, 2009 QuoteIn order for the bag to strip off the canopy, the lines either had to dump off I believe that Bill Booth did a lot of research into this and figured out that canopy could come out of the bag even with some of the line bites still attached. It depended on if the two primary locking stows remained intact. "Line dump" as it is referenced is in correct, as many people know. If it was real, then the "lazy bag" design would be a death trap. As to the reference material, I poked around the company formerly known as RWS's website and didn't see it. Maybe someone knows what I'm talking about and has the file laying around.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdthomas 0 #21 November 2, 2009 After reading all these tandem problems over the last year, I am just glad that i walked away from a tandem rating with never having any major problems.www.greenboxphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 November 2, 2009 Quote After reading all these tandem problems over the last year, I am just glad that i walked away from a tandem rating with never having any major problems. Too many people honestly believe that a tandem jump is just another skydive. Doing tandem jumps is really its own discipline in skydiving. Yes it is an instructional program, but all in all it can be separated just like RW, FF, Swooping, etc. You spend about 1000 jumps getting decent at it and the rest of the time refining your technique. Just like any other aspect of skydiving. You have to be a near expert in gear that is used no where else in sport skydiving. Yes there are similarities, but the differences far out weigh the similarities. No amount of RW or FF can prepare you for what some of those students who do in front of you. No amount of CRW or Swooping can prepare you for flying a tandem canopy at a different wingloading each and every jump, while teaching someone how to fly a parachute. Its a completely different aspect to our sport that a lot of people don't get (until they get their rating), and I love it!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #23 November 2, 2009 QuoteYikes, not something a cameraflyer wants to see... Anyone know how that opening went? I've seen video of the exact same scenario (not the jump in the picture, however), and the opening was normal. I believe the canopy was an Icarus 360? The one I saw was caused by poor packing- half hitching the locking stows, naturally they broke.VSE on Facebook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianM 1 #24 November 2, 2009 QuoteThe one I saw was caused by poor packing- half hitching the locking stows, naturally they broke. Could you explain what you mean by half hitching the locking stows?"It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #25 November 3, 2009 you're kidding right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
