Hand signals inside plane

[Scrumpot 1]

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- one poster mentioned showing "knuckles".

What the other poster in the other thread was referring to was the "traditional" (apparently at their DZ) "giving of knuckles" (like others do a high-five, or handshake/point, but instead with knocking knuckles together between them), and not any sort of "signal".

I think what was being implied, was that the other jumper was not "responsive" several times to the overture. Whether that means he fealt the other jumper was fixated on his task (the upcoming H&P) or what, you'd have to go back and ask the Original Poster on that one.

FWIW.

coitus non circum - Moab Stone

[JohnDeere 0]

Let me know how that eye contact works for you when you are in the back of an otter. DZ's have rules for a reason.

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[Scoop 0]

Huh? You said yourself the pilot operates the lights. Tell me a scenario where looking at the pilot is going to have an adverse effect over blindly following the green light.

I just think of it like a car indicator. Just because its flashing doesn't mean they are going to turn, it just means the bulb works.

The aircraft I have jumped from the pilot has always given a thumbs up or a PA or some sort of interaction with the jumpers around the same time the light goes green (if the aircraft has one). I'd much rather rely on that human communication than some lights which may or may not be in working order.

Maybe this is a personal thing but I consider it a safe practice.

[Gawain 0]

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Let me know how that eye contact works for you when you are in the back of an otter. DZ's have rules for a reason.

You've never taken off in a bird where the pilot left the light on? If we followed that directive, we'd look like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LggTc06BbwA

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[airtwardo 7]

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Closed fist means "apply brakes" in the royal Canadian Air Force.

As well as in most heavy construction areas in the U.S.

I had to learn all the crane operator signals just in case the radios quit working, which the never did.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[JohnDeere 0]

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Huh? You said yourself the pilot operates the lights. Tell me a scenario where looking at the pilot is going to have an adverse effect over blindly following the green light.

Looking at the pilot works great in a smaller AC. Get in an otter and be in the 1st group to exit and let me know how that works. I never said you or anyone else should blindly follow a light, try using common sence. If plane is still climbing at 2000 Ft with light on dont jump. If spot is bad dont jump. But If you at 13,500 and pilot cuts back speed and levels plain. Then signals to open door, then gives a green light. You also like spot and have checked airspace, then i will exit.

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I just think of it like a car indicator. Just because its flashing doesn't mean they are going to turn, it just means the bulb works.

See above. Dont blindly follow light

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The aircraft I have jumped from the pilot has always given a thumbs up or a PA or some sort of interaction with the jumpers around the same time the light goes green (if the aircraft has one). I'd much rather rely on that human communication than some lights which may or may not be in working order.

Maybe this is a personal thing but I consider it a safe practice.

Like i said personal communication with pilot is great if you can do so. If not then use common sence and exit when the pilots says it is ok and you think it is ok.

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[JohnDeere 0]

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Let me know how that eye contact works for you when you are in the back of an otter. DZ's have rules for a reason.

You've never taken off in a bird where the pilot left the light on? If we followed that directive, we'd look like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LggTc06BbwA

Well im one of them smart ass jumpers that will tell the pilot that he left the light on. That is how i learned this lesson so well, that is me

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[billvon 2,991]

>The aircraft I have jumped from the pilot has always given a thumbs up . . .

If, at 500 feet, someone asked the pilot something and he gave him a thumbs-up, would you exit?

No matter what signal the pilot uses (a thumb, a light, a PA, a cow bell) it is the responsibility of the jumper to ensure the spot is safe and the air below is clear. A green light is not a command to exit, it is an indication that it is now safe to exit from the pilot's perspective. Each jumper must decide on their own whether or not the spot is actually OK.

[matthewcline 0]

Uh maybe 1, but for the most part no.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[denete 3]

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Showing "knuckles" means stop. Arm vertical with a closed fist.

Unless you pump it up and down.

SCR #14809

"our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe"
(look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

[matthewcline 0]

Double time!

or in the 70's a disco move

or in the 90's with palm opne and facing up, "pump it up, pump it up!"

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!