AggieDave 6 #51 September 22, 2004 Yup, but a jap bike makes a ricer not. Here's a pic of your average ricer type rider.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #52 September 22, 2004 Quote On the 11th of March 1929, Henry Segrave exceeded 360 kmph in his Golden Arrow with a World land speed record of 231.45 mph. (370.32 kmph) I thought we were talking about motorcycles? The Golden Arrow was a car, not a motorcycle. Second, the land speed record you are talking about was accomplished at Daytona Beach, not on a street in South Africa. I'm by no means saying that it wasn't possible to hit 200 mph by the 1980's. Hell, Micky Thompson broke the 400mph mark in late 1960 but he didn't do it on a street legal motorcycle. What I find incredibly hard to believe is that it would be legal to take methanol burning, fire-breathing monsters used to set world land speed records and ride them on a public street. Even in South Africa. Peace, Z Edit: Just for reference, the World Land Speed Record for open wheeled motorcycles didn't break the 200mph mark until Rick Yacoucci did it at Bonneville with a 1350cc turbo charged Busa with a speed of 201.708mph in 1999. The current record is 251.148 mph set by Scott Guthrie in August of 04, also on a turbo charged Busa. The shit ain't easy Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #53 September 22, 2004 Looks like a patch holder of the infamous Chinese motorcycle club "Hell's Panda"."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #54 September 22, 2004 QuoteYup, but a jap bike makes a ricer not. Here's a pic of your average ricer type rider. You know, dave, I totally resent that remark, and in return present you with your average "non-ricer" biker. That's right, pussies.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #55 September 22, 2004 That kitten in the front is stupid for not wearing a helmet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #56 September 22, 2004 My friend races - they go off the bikes at speeds like that -sometimes. If they are layed over on their sides in the corners they can actually walk away with no damage which I find just mind boggling. However, your average dipshit on the street is going to end up looking like - well, a skydiver with a total! If he's lucky he'll be held together by all that protective clothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyThomas 0 #57 September 22, 2004 QuoteVASCAR is a great idea and all that... but some guy with his thumb on a stopwatch over a quarter-mile can't provide much meaningful resolution at those speeds. 4.39 seconds? Well, the cop wanted to report 4.394274 seconds, but didn't take the time to write all them extra digits down. Quote 5 seconds is 180mph, 4 seconds is 225mph Yeah. It's just that......it was a COP who said he timed him. And COPS are cool. So the COP must be right. Of course, the COP might have been quick with the stopwatch, and it only took said cyclist 4 seconds. That would mean his speed was more like 225mph!! Even faster Thomas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #58 September 22, 2004 And old riding buddy of mine hit the front end of Saab going about 130 mph when I lived over in Sweden. The car was basically sliced off in front of the radiator and his sorry ass hit a road sign some 200 feet from the intersection. Lucky for him he was wearing protective gear but he did break both of his legs, both of his arms, several ribs, and a collar bone. He also spent nearly 4 months in the hospital. He recovered, bought a new scooter, and is now a paraplegic after hitting a car making an illegal left hand turn. He was only doing about 35mph at the time. Good gear certainly helps with the road rash but if you hit a car, a pig, or a tree at those speeds your ass is history. Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lovelife22 0 #59 September 22, 2004 Damn crazy Minnesotan's!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #60 September 23, 2004 Hwy 61 does beg to get run fast *heh* I've done the run from Winona to Wabasha and back a few times - there are a few sections that it is nearly impossible to set up a radar trap. When the story broke in Winona, there were a few questions going around the office why I wasn't in that day (due to business travel) and if I was the one caught Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #61 September 23, 2004 QuoteThat's not THAT fast. It's only 328kmph. There were street legal bikes here doing over 360kmph (225mph) 20 years ago. Admittedly, 1000cc Eddie Lawson replicas bored to 1475cc with Pops Yosh heads running nitro or twin turbo and using methanol.. but they were featured in Bike SA in the early 80's. Interesting thing was the speed variance was as high as 25mph between different riders on the same bike. Speeds were measured over a 1km run in opposite directions and the times averaged. The event was monitored and measured by the traffic department. Incidently, for metric types, 360kmph has special allure. It means a kilometer every 10 seconds. t Strange - According to Speed Record S.A. The overall South African land speed record in the Unlimited Class for open wheeled motorcycles is as of December 2003 a mere 332.773 kph or 206.319 mph. The record was set by Neels Geldenhuis on a 1600cc turbo charged Busa on August 19, 2002. Coincidently, that was also the very first time an open wheeled motorcycle ever posted an average speed in excess of 200 mph in the Flying Kilometer on South African soil. The previous record was set on February 25, 1998 by John Mountain on a normally aspirated 1300cc ZZR 1100 with a speed of 305.162 kph or 189.200 mph. Their records date back to 1952 and there is no mention of the competition you speak of. So, unless you have evidence to the contrary, I'd say the only "street legal" motorcycle reaching the speeds you speak of in the early 80's is a figment of your imagination. Peace, Z Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #62 September 25, 2004 You must be right. I apologise. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #63 September 25, 2004 UPDATE: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040924/ap_on_fe_st/205_mph_ticket QuotePatrol Stands by 205 Speeding Ticket Fri Sep 24, 7:54 PM ET Add Strange News - AP to My Yahoo! WABASHA, Minn. - There's little doubt that a Stillwater motorcyclist could wind up his Honda sport motorcycle past 180 mph, but members of the motorcycle racing world question whether the State Patrol was correct to cite him for 205 mph last weekend. The State Patrol is standing by its stopwatch, and the speeding ticket a veteran trooper wrote for Samuel Tilley for driving his 2003 Honda RC51 on U.S. Highway 61 near Wabasha on the state's eastern border. Tilley faces misdemeanor charges of speeding, reckless driving and riding without a motorcycle license. He has declined repeated requests for comment from several media outlets in the past few days. The St. Paul Pioneer Press first reported the details of the ticket, which is unofficially the highest ever written in the state, on Tuesday. Soon motorcycle enthusiasts were buzzing about whether Tilley really broke the 200 mph barrier. "Theoretically, it could happen — anything is possible — but I don't believe it," said John Ulrich, editor of Roadracing World, a magazine that covers sport bike racing. "Guys who want to break speed records and go over 200 mph have to go to great lengths to get there." Ulrich questioned the State Patrol's timing methods, in which a trooper in an airplane used a stopwatch to calculate how long it took Tilley to cover a certain distance. Other enthusiasts said if the timing where off by only a half-second, it would drop Tilley's speed to about 185 mph. While that would be still be the unofficial state record, and within the specifications for Tilley's Honda, it wouldn't break the prestigious 200 mph mark. Department of Public Safety Spokesman Kevin Smith there was no reason to believe the trooper, who had 27 years of experience, was wrong. He said the Honda could go 205 mph. "What we have is what we have," Smith said. "That is the number he came up with, and there's really no going back on it." Legally, he said, there wasn't much difference between 205 mph and 185 mph because even the lower speed wouldn't help defend against the reckless driving charge. "Let's say he was going 186 — that's still 121 mph over the speed limit. I don't see the relevance," Smith said. As it is, motorcycle experts say that most unmodified sport bikes already top out at about 185 mph because of limits with their fuel injectors. To get an RC51 up to 200 mph, they say, the owner would have to change the motorcycle's transmission, fuel injectors and gears — and might have to add either a supercharger or pump nitrous oxide or methane into the fuel system. All of these changes are possible, but expensive. And anyone with those kinds of modifications isn't likely to tool around southern Minnesota with nitrous or jet fuel in his bike, they say. "It's just not something that some dude can roll out of his garage and go for a ride and do," Ulrich said. "A hundred fifty? No problem. Two hundred? Big problem." Tilley will get a chance to plead his case in Wabasha County District Court on Oct. 25. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #64 September 25, 2004 Not a problem, Tonto. Here's a little excerpt from Super Streetbike Magazine on what it takes to break the 200 mph barrier. It's not quite as easy as most people think. Nowadays we tend to be jaded about high speeds on motorcycles. One-hundred and fifty mph is No Big Deal--there are literally dozens of motorcycles on the market that can achieve this number the minute they roll off the assembly line. Many will hit 170 mph pretty easily, and one or two will get you into the 180s if you have the cojones and the real estate. But there is a huge difference between 180 and 200 mph. Aerodynamically, motorcycles are crude machines, and the physics of airflow management mean that even tiny gains in speed above 180 mph require enormous amounts of horsepower. The amount of horsepower required to overcome aerodynamic drag rises as the cube of speed. Consider this: 160 hp is enough to push a stock Hayabusa to nearly 190 mph, but it would take closer to 225 hp to get that same bike to 200 mph--65 more hp for just 10 more mph on top. Going 200 mph on a production-based motorcycle is a huge accomplishment--indeed, there are only 42 riders in the East Coast Timing Association's (ECTA) elite "200-mph" club. Two-hundred and twenty-seven mph is simply amazing--only slightly less difficult than riding your Ninja to the moon. And at 227 mph, Yancy's super-'Busa is just warming up. It should be fun to see what happens with this guy when he gets his day in court. I've always wondered what they'd do if you got busted playing around at those speeds on a public street - Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Keep the shiny side up, Z Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #65 September 26, 2004 I hit 230 MPH yesterday on my bike on I-35 in Ft Worth last week. Heres a pic of me near top speed on it. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #66 September 26, 2004 Damn so time and bike size are relative to the speed of light^2. ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #67 September 26, 2004 WE HAVE A WINNER That's gotta be some kind of record he he he Peace, Z Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #68 September 26, 2004 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have to say if I saw someone doing that and then passed them on the side of the road a mile up after they had crashed....I'm not sure I am gonna stop to help em out... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Same could be said for the young punk under a fast canopy...But I am still going to try and hold him together...Like I have several times before. Have compassion. Stupid people deserve some. I stick by my original post...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #69 September 27, 2004 My original post... QuoteCould've been the RC51 - a 1000cc Honda sportbike - and incredibly fast... Your post... QuoteThe RC51 is not nearly as fast as hondas cbr1000. Most likely a 1000rr or a honda blackbird. From the news.... Ever since a State Patrol pilot clocked Samuel Armstrong Tilley's 2002 Honda RC51 going a quarter-mile in 4.39 seconds on Sept. 18......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #70 September 27, 2004 QuoteMy original post... QuoteCould've been the RC51 - a 1000cc Honda sportbike - and incredibly fast... Your post... QuoteThe RC51 is not nearly as fast as hondas cbr1000. Most likely a 1000rr or a honda blackbird. From the news.... Ever since a State Patrol pilot clocked Samuel Armstrong Tilley's 2002 Honda RC51 going a quarter-mile in 4.39 seconds on Sept. 18......... My post was and is still accurate. The 1000rr and the blackbird are much faster bikes than the RC51. Do some research and you will find that out. An RC51 could not do 205. That is unless it was highly modified like all the reports suggested. My bet is that the cops made a mistake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #71 September 27, 2004 I understand that, I'm just saying not to rule anything out.... Any idea how many turbo kits are on the market for these things? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #72 September 27, 2004 Hey, if you've got the $$$ you should talk to Terry Kizer from Houston. He runs a company called Mr. Turbo and he has bolt on turbo kits for all kinds of applications - I saw his test bike a few years ago -ZX11 with 456 HP 199.97Mph, 6.89 1/4 Mile- I heard he had to buy a new Dyno when he built his next one cuz the one he had only went up to 500 HP. Check it out - MrTurbo Peace, Z Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
