Islandcool 0 #26 September 23, 2004 QuoteSome of you don't care. I can deal with that. You probably wouldn't care if da vinci came back from the dead and put neon lights and a rainbow cloud on the mona lisa. Fine. Bitchin'! Note to self: Find way to raise Da Vinchi from the dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #27 September 23, 2004 star wars is cultural history? my ass The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #28 September 23, 2004 QuoteUm...to me they are his movies and he can do, or not do, whatever he wants with them. Ditto... God Bless America! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #29 September 23, 2004 QuoteI don't understand what you are trying to say. And thennnn???? What is supposed to be my response to this? It's a joke sweetie. You said you don't care that much about movies, so I replied with a movie quote. If I'd wanted to be mean I would have replied to this with: And THENNNNNN???? But I'm not mean. Besides, I was hoping to not be the only one who thought it was funny... Edit: I wasn't the only one! YAY!!! you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #30 September 23, 2004 QuoteSome of you don't care. I can deal with that. You probably wouldn't care if da vinci came back from the dead and put neon lights and a rainbow cloud on the mona lisa. Fine. Some of us, however, do care about art and want to preserve it. If Star Wars qualifies as high art, then I produced some great art of a similar caliber this morning. Just wish I hadn't flushed it away now. If Star Wars is getting described as part of America's "cultural history", we're more shallow than even I imagined. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #31 September 23, 2004 ohhhh it was clearly over my head. Guess I would have to see the movie. by the way what movie was that in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #32 September 23, 2004 Quote If Star Wars qualifies as high art, then I produced some great art of a similar caliber this morning. Just wish I hadn't flushed it away now. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #33 September 23, 2004 Quoteohhhh it was clearly over my head. Guess I would have to see the movie. by the way what movie was that in? The culturally and historically invaluable "Dude, Where's My Car?" you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kid_Icarus 0 #34 September 23, 2004 I completely agree. The remakes are crap. Here's my deal. The original movies used models and puppets. Those things are real, and the human eye knows that. No matter how good a digital storm trooper looks, you can tell it's not really there. The originals are believable. I love those movies. Anybody who says they sucked are lying to us and themselves. We all wanted to be jedi's for a while. Come on, admit it. We all tried to pick up our chair with our minds.... Not releasing the orginal, undoctored versions is bullshit. I hate the edited ones. It's so easy to pick up the digital crap in them. If I have to, I will convert my VHS copies to DVD. Thanks for the thread, I was thinking about this too. ________________________________________ "What What..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #35 September 23, 2004 QuoteThe culturally and historically invaluable "Dude, Where's My Car?" Ahh, there is now some clarity into how deep this discussion reaches. Blues, NathanBlues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #36 September 23, 2004 QuoteIf Star Wars qualifies as high art, then I produced some great art of a similar caliber this morning. Just wish I hadn't flushed it away now. If Star Wars is getting described as part of America's "cultural history", we're more shallow than even I imagined. OK, so I'm a Star Wars dork nearly on par with Ivan. Here's my take. (A) Lucas is an ass for not releasing the original. (B) It's his right to be an ass. (C) Something that created that much of a phenomenon, that deeply touched (scarred?) our culture, DOES qualify as cultural history, just the way many other things do, from manifest destiny to McDonalds and Microsoft. Just because you dont like it, that doesn't make it not a part of cultural history. Whether or not it's worth preserving, that can be argued. I'd say yes. Just look at what congress said about extending the rights to Fantasia indefinitely. So much for the public domain, I guess. ps - at least your high art didn't have a crucifix floating next to it. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #37 September 23, 2004 >If Star Wars is getting described as part of America's "cultural history", >we're more shallow than even I imagined. Grandma Moses' art is undeniably embedded in America's cultural history. Objectively it's pretty bad, but it represents a part of our culture that she preserved through her art. Star Wars (and to a lesser degree 2001) was the beginning of a departure in filmmaking that affects us through today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #38 September 23, 2004 Quote>If Star Wars is getting described as part of America's "cultural history", >we're more shallow than even I imagined. Grandma Moses' art is undeniably embedded in America's cultural history. Objectively it's pretty bad, but it represents a part of our culture that she preserved through her art. Star Wars (and to a lesser degree 2001) was the beginning of a departure in filmmaking that affects us through today. Well if that is the criteria, then Tony Danza also requires enshrining in the Smithsonian. It's part of popular culture, but whether it forms part of the greater culture will take years to find out. I somehow doubt it, because although I didn't dislike Star Wars as a movie, it was fairly lightweight fluff, and if the new prequels were any more wooden, you could make bookcases from them. As far as Lucas's work goes, if you want a better piece of science fiction, get his recently remastered and re-released THX1138. If you are looking for a trilogy that reflects US culture and stands more of a chance of longevity, consider the Godfather series. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #39 September 23, 2004 Quote Lucas: "[Star Wars fans] think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I’m making the movies, so I should have it my way." Me: "Fine, have it your way, asshole!" *downloads the originals* I will never buy anything from lucas again. ya know I guess youre right, or whatever i really wanted to post jUst to say BABABOOIE! LOL its been a long time ,manMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #40 September 23, 2004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #41 September 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe culturally and historically invaluable "Dude, Where's My Car?" Ahh, there is now some clarity into how deep this discussion reaches. Blues, Nathan You forgot the "" I'll never forget the part when they're in the store looking at each other's tattoos. Changed my life man. That's movie's a treasure - treat it with respect. "What does mine say? Dude!! What does mine say? Sweet!!" No, but seriously, it's like Kennedy said- the original Star Wars trilogy had an enormous impact on the entertainment industry and movie goers of this country, therefore it became part of our culture. Who wouldn't get a reference to Jabba the Hut or Leia's dazzling metal bikini? In fact, internationally popular movies can be a fantastic culture bridge - I've made friends and even learned more Spanish over movie discussions in Latin America. Movies rock. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #42 September 23, 2004 re. cultural history.... for some reason we tend to idealize things made a century or more ago as "high culture", whereas anything made now is banal & shallow. maybe a century from now the Star Wars series (& I don't know what all the fuss is about re. the extra footage in the newer versions, its still the same move & not that big a difference to me) will be seen as an important cultural item, and everything then will be considered shallow crap. These last few weeks I've been reading the books of Rabelais, Gargantua and Pantagruel, which were written in the 1500s. They are considered classics today, even though they reference a lot of current events of that time (I have an annotated edition) which people nowadays wouldn't get, and also there's a lot of toilet humor. But I'm sure a lot of people in his day would never have believed that it would one day be considered classic material. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #43 September 23, 2004 Way a head of you. I've owned the original Star Wars on Laserdisc for quite some time now. If someone has it archived from the LD burnable to DVD I think true Star Wars history will be preserved. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sinkster 0 #44 September 23, 2004 Quote If someone has it archived from the LD burnable to DVD I think true Star Wars history will be preserved. Yep, that's what the link contains reference to. Very high quality rips from the laserdisc version into 4-5 Gig size ready-for-DVD movies. There are other sources as well. It is spreading very fast due to the new editions that just came out and lucas' comments about not releasing the originals again. There is a huge fan base that is dedicated to keeping it alive as well at originaltrilogy.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyhi 24 #45 September 23, 2004 QuoteWhen I have kids they are going to watch the originals like I did. Not the 1000th revision. It's not the same movie any more. You do realize that if you are that into Starwars, you might not ever mate and have kids, don't you? You might even start saying things like, "I'm gonna release Rancor to chew Lucas' ass and then throw his carcass to the banthas."Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sinkster 0 #46 September 23, 2004 lol, nah, there are plenty of hot star wars lovin' women out there: www.starwarschicks.com (real site) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #47 September 23, 2004 Quotelol, nah, there are plenty of hot star wars lovin' women out there: www.starwarschicks.com (real site) Um, the fact that you know this is... well... let's just say it doesn't refute flyhi's post! But, you know, good for them and all the Star Wars fanatics out there - having similar interests is the perfect way to meet someone. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sinkster 0 #48 September 23, 2004 QuoteBut, you know, good for them and all the Star Wars fanatics out there - having similar interests is the perfect way to meet someone. "hey baby, wanna pet my wookiee?!?!" (sorry, couldn't resist the euphamism) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #49 September 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteBut, you know, good for them and all the Star Wars fanatics out there - having similar interests is the perfect way to meet someone. "hey baby, wanna pet my wookiee?!?!" (sorry, couldn't resist the euphamism) "Will somebody get this walking carpet outta my way?!" you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #50 September 23, 2004 "You find this one most attractive" Always wanted to try that. How do you feel? Star Wars had swords (sabres), an evil wizard, a good wizard, a princess in distress, good knights, and bad knights. No new theme here, just new costumes and a new year. A very simplified good/evil dividing-line that gave people a side to identify with. It was cartoonish in its simplicity. People love it for the same reasons that the one-dimensional characters of the original Star Trek were so popular. Fly around the universe on a crusade to do justice. It was great entertainment and I liked all the movies, but then I hate preachy, educational culture-enriching stuff. Everyone has heard of King Arthur, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Rebecca 0 #41 September 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe culturally and historically invaluable "Dude, Where's My Car?" Ahh, there is now some clarity into how deep this discussion reaches. Blues, Nathan You forgot the "" I'll never forget the part when they're in the store looking at each other's tattoos. Changed my life man. That's movie's a treasure - treat it with respect. "What does mine say? Dude!! What does mine say? Sweet!!" No, but seriously, it's like Kennedy said- the original Star Wars trilogy had an enormous impact on the entertainment industry and movie goers of this country, therefore it became part of our culture. Who wouldn't get a reference to Jabba the Hut or Leia's dazzling metal bikini? In fact, internationally popular movies can be a fantastic culture bridge - I've made friends and even learned more Spanish over movie discussions in Latin America. Movies rock. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #42 September 23, 2004 re. cultural history.... for some reason we tend to idealize things made a century or more ago as "high culture", whereas anything made now is banal & shallow. maybe a century from now the Star Wars series (& I don't know what all the fuss is about re. the extra footage in the newer versions, its still the same move & not that big a difference to me) will be seen as an important cultural item, and everything then will be considered shallow crap. These last few weeks I've been reading the books of Rabelais, Gargantua and Pantagruel, which were written in the 1500s. They are considered classics today, even though they reference a lot of current events of that time (I have an annotated edition) which people nowadays wouldn't get, and also there's a lot of toilet humor. But I'm sure a lot of people in his day would never have believed that it would one day be considered classic material. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #43 September 23, 2004 Way a head of you. I've owned the original Star Wars on Laserdisc for quite some time now. If someone has it archived from the LD burnable to DVD I think true Star Wars history will be preserved. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #44 September 23, 2004 Quote If someone has it archived from the LD burnable to DVD I think true Star Wars history will be preserved. Yep, that's what the link contains reference to. Very high quality rips from the laserdisc version into 4-5 Gig size ready-for-DVD movies. There are other sources as well. It is spreading very fast due to the new editions that just came out and lucas' comments about not releasing the originals again. There is a huge fan base that is dedicated to keeping it alive as well at originaltrilogy.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyhi 24 #45 September 23, 2004 QuoteWhen I have kids they are going to watch the originals like I did. Not the 1000th revision. It's not the same movie any more. You do realize that if you are that into Starwars, you might not ever mate and have kids, don't you? You might even start saying things like, "I'm gonna release Rancor to chew Lucas' ass and then throw his carcass to the banthas."Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sinkster 0 #46 September 23, 2004 lol, nah, there are plenty of hot star wars lovin' women out there: www.starwarschicks.com (real site) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #47 September 23, 2004 Quotelol, nah, there are plenty of hot star wars lovin' women out there: www.starwarschicks.com (real site) Um, the fact that you know this is... well... let's just say it doesn't refute flyhi's post! But, you know, good for them and all the Star Wars fanatics out there - having similar interests is the perfect way to meet someone. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sinkster 0 #48 September 23, 2004 QuoteBut, you know, good for them and all the Star Wars fanatics out there - having similar interests is the perfect way to meet someone. "hey baby, wanna pet my wookiee?!?!" (sorry, couldn't resist the euphamism) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #49 September 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteBut, you know, good for them and all the Star Wars fanatics out there - having similar interests is the perfect way to meet someone. "hey baby, wanna pet my wookiee?!?!" (sorry, couldn't resist the euphamism) "Will somebody get this walking carpet outta my way?!" you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #50 September 23, 2004 "You find this one most attractive" Always wanted to try that. How do you feel? Star Wars had swords (sabres), an evil wizard, a good wizard, a princess in distress, good knights, and bad knights. No new theme here, just new costumes and a new year. A very simplified good/evil dividing-line that gave people a side to identify with. It was cartoonish in its simplicity. People love it for the same reasons that the one-dimensional characters of the original Star Trek were so popular. Fly around the universe on a crusade to do justice. It was great entertainment and I liked all the movies, but then I hate preachy, educational culture-enriching stuff. Everyone has heard of King Arthur, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
flyhi 24 #45 September 23, 2004 QuoteWhen I have kids they are going to watch the originals like I did. Not the 1000th revision. It's not the same movie any more. You do realize that if you are that into Starwars, you might not ever mate and have kids, don't you? You might even start saying things like, "I'm gonna release Rancor to chew Lucas' ass and then throw his carcass to the banthas."Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #46 September 23, 2004 lol, nah, there are plenty of hot star wars lovin' women out there: www.starwarschicks.com (real site) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #47 September 23, 2004 Quotelol, nah, there are plenty of hot star wars lovin' women out there: www.starwarschicks.com (real site) Um, the fact that you know this is... well... let's just say it doesn't refute flyhi's post! But, you know, good for them and all the Star Wars fanatics out there - having similar interests is the perfect way to meet someone. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #48 September 23, 2004 QuoteBut, you know, good for them and all the Star Wars fanatics out there - having similar interests is the perfect way to meet someone. "hey baby, wanna pet my wookiee?!?!" (sorry, couldn't resist the euphamism) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #49 September 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteBut, you know, good for them and all the Star Wars fanatics out there - having similar interests is the perfect way to meet someone. "hey baby, wanna pet my wookiee?!?!" (sorry, couldn't resist the euphamism) "Will somebody get this walking carpet outta my way?!" you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #50 September 23, 2004 "You find this one most attractive" Always wanted to try that. How do you feel? Star Wars had swords (sabres), an evil wizard, a good wizard, a princess in distress, good knights, and bad knights. No new theme here, just new costumes and a new year. A very simplified good/evil dividing-line that gave people a side to identify with. It was cartoonish in its simplicity. People love it for the same reasons that the one-dimensional characters of the original Star Trek were so popular. Fly around the universe on a crusade to do justice. It was great entertainment and I liked all the movies, but then I hate preachy, educational culture-enriching stuff. Everyone has heard of King Arthur, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
