Frenchy68 0 #51 September 20, 2004 The person is on a solo skydive so there is no danger of colliding with another skydiver.*** Although many people mention having an AAD in case of collision, it seems to me that most AAD fires are due to loss of altitude awareness. Am I wrong? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #52 September 20, 2004 QuoteThe person is on a solo skydive so there is no danger of colliding with another skydiver. And if the person is unable to make that leap out of the airplane without their security blanket, then maybe they shouldn't be jumping. That wouldn't be the best test then. A person should be required to do whatever they usually do without an AAD then. Why go and make everything a lot "safer" for them to go without an AAD? I'm not saying people should make a jump without an AAD (do whatever you want), but you should do every jump as if you didn't have one.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #53 September 20, 2004 QuoteI know that this will never happen (the USPA does not have the balls), but the first solo jump after graduation should be done without an AAD. The person is on a solo skydive so there is no danger of colliding with another skydiver. And if the person is unable to make that leap out of the airplane without their security blanket, then maybe they shouldn't be jumping. There is no way in hell I will ever jump without an AAD. It isn't just for collisions. Although I have good altitude awareness, I'm still new, what if I flip out jumping without an instructor and am a total panic attack on the way down, an AAD would save my ass. Now that isn't my personality type at all, it won't happen, but it CAN. What if I pass out, have a heart attack, a seizure, etc on the way down, again it can make a difference. To jump without one, to me, is not an option. In a sport that can kill you, I will take every precaution to ensure a safe jump. That is my personal decision and certainly not one that I impose on anyone else. The day the USPA or anyone else tells me that I am obligated to do a jump without an AAD is the day I quit jumping. It's like telling a NASCAR driver that they must do one practice session with no seatbelt or harness. Chances are they won't need it, but sucks to be them on the off chance that they do. But back to the original post to begin with. I have a whopping 10 jumps, just finished AFF, passing every level on the first try plus a tandem (AFF is 9 jumps not 7 now). I'm still not entirely comfortable with a gear check, so make sure an instructor is present while I do it. Not because I can't, but because I am new, I know my limitations, I know there's a lot that I don't know. For those who criticize a new person who ask questions (regardless of why we may ask), just discourages us from doing so. Lack of knowledge is not good. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 22 #54 September 20, 2004 Hi 10270, I concur and 10-4. You covered all the bases pretty good. AAD's, cute little devices, what would we do with out them? Knowing how to turn an AAD on or off is a good idea. Further more, knowing that frequent on/off activations severly drains the battery is just as important as well as just being well versed in your AAD's operation. Just remember that even "with" an AAD, Skydiving is still a Dirty, Rotten, Dangerous JOB!!! "Laissez Le Bon Temps Rouler!!"SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #55 September 20, 2004 Hi Bill, "AAD's, cute little devices, what would we do with out them?" Exactly what we'd do with them (with the possible exception of a main activation at 800') I feel that the "golden Rule" for AAD's must be "Jump like you don't have one!" "Just remember that even "with" an AAD, Skydiving is still a Dirty, Rotten, Dangerous JOB!!!" Amen. An AAD isn't a "Master skydiver in a box". It's a mindless little device that MIGHT mindlessly fire your reserve IF it mindlessly detects the situation that makes it fire. Your best chance of your reserve deploying remains pulling the handle. An AAD is a "fit, activate and forget" device and ultimately is one more thing that might go wrong... So don't trust it. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mgerra28 0 #56 September 20, 2004 Thats why they are students...studying. They are constantly learning. I'd rather they ask than make them feel stupid for asking. Don't you turn on a cypress by stroking it gentlyhttp://www.skydivethefarm.com don't sweat the small stuff, in fact don't sweat at all,, you get smelly!! ORFUN #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #57 September 20, 2004 Quote I am not making fun of the person for not knowing. I am concerned that after "passing AFF" they didn't know how to do this or a proper gear check You are right. Fully. It's a question of knowing basics. Just like that. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #58 September 20, 2004 Students reading this :If you get anything from this thread i hope it is that "it is better to be safe than sorry." ASK questions.Please ask them anytime... before it's too late.Please don't go off just thinking you got it right. KNOW before you go. If ya don't know , don't pass go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #59 September 20, 2004 better to ask and possibley live... than the other alternativeLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #60 September 20, 2004 Quote Students reading this : If you get anything from this thread i hope it is that "it is better to be safe than sorry." ASK questions. Please ask them anytime... before it's too late. Please don't go off just thinking you got it right. KNOW before you go. If ya don't know , don't pass go Hey, just take your time and read to what I referred, guy! Basically, it's exactly what you are requesting, right? Not more, not less. I simply confirmed to the original poster that, anyhow, it is a MUST to know basics. Such like switching on the AAD ... that's what I learned during my AFF education, that's what I never forgot, that's what I would recommend every "young" jumper to never forget... Are you complaining to something? Aren't we talking about the same? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #61 September 21, 2004 no i just used your last post to hit reply.I also don't ever want a student or any jumper to be afraid to ask a life saving question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MWGemini 0 #62 September 21, 2004 I'm a student with 19 jumps, and I was taught during ground school (after my 5 tandems but before my first solo) how to do complete gear checks, including cypress activation and deactivation. It was also suggested that when I pick up a rig that has a cypress on, to deactivate it and reactivate it if I did not personally turn it on that day, or personally saw it get turned on by someone else, since they have a 14 hour cycle and could have been jumped on a sunset load the day prior and turn off while waiting to board, etc. This is a rule I have been following since (and also informing other jumpers sharing the same rig if/when I turned it on and what the voltage was. On nearly every jump since, the instructor or coach has asked me not only if it was on, but the voltage, which I now make it a point to remember. I'm anal about safety and tend to ask the same questions of several different people just so I can get different viewpoints on the same issue, and I HAVE asked people to verify my cypress before (in addition to watching me do a gear check). Fear keeps you alive. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JRock 0 #63 September 21, 2004 PEOPLE!!!!! I AM GLAD THEY ASKED THE QUESTION!!!!!!!! I am disappointed that they got cut loose to jump on their own without knowing it!!! RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #64 September 21, 2004 i hear ya. Don't ya hate it when your thread gets misunderstood ?Typots and call it day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JRock 0 #65 September 21, 2004 Definitely TYPOTS!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #66 September 21, 2004 At least it's on fireMay your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kai2k1 0 #67 September 21, 2004 who's on fire? There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #68 September 21, 2004 Quotewho's on fire? The thread.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kai2k1 0 #69 September 21, 2004 oh wow, it is!! There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_chester 4 #70 September 21, 2004 QuoteI passed out under canopy before. What happened? -- Be careful giving advice. Wise men don't need it, and fools won't heed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallinWoman 1 #71 September 21, 2004 Quoteits possible that this is a reason that it is an A license requirement to learn how a AAD functions. This is actually an A license requirement??? Why? That is like saying that is should be an A license requrement for me to know how a skyhook works. Not everyone is going to have an AAD..... I love the idea of making one of your check dives be without an AAD. They are nothing more than mechanical devices designed to save our asses when all else has failed. BTW...i have a cypres. I turn it on every day that I jump. When I send it away for its four-year....I will continue to jump, even without it. ~Anne I'm a Doll!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1 0 #72 September 21, 2004 Hell No!!!I do not jump without one but you should not have to rely on an AAD to save your life.. When I bought my first one I had trouble figuring out how to turn it on and I had over one hundred jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brodes 0 #73 September 21, 2004 I still use hire gear and it's always been with an FXC, but one rig i used saturday now has a CYPRES in it and i had to ask how to turn it on... No dramas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #74 September 21, 2004 This is actually an A license requirement??? Why? That is like saying that is should be an A license requrement for me to know how a skyhook works. Not everyone is going to have an AAD..... *** Not quite sure whether knowing how a Cypress work is a requirement for the A license. However, If you are jumping it (even once) during your Student stage, you should know/ask what it does/how it works. I doesn't mean you should rely on it. But knowing the gear you are jumping should be on the top of the priority list. Not knowing how an AAD works happens, asking about it is the way to go in my opinion. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #75 September 21, 2004 I'm thinking it's an A license requirement because if you don't have a license, don't you have to have some kind of AAD? So, knowing how to turn it on, would fall under the self jumpmastering skills. Knowing the gear and all that.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Frenchy68 0 #74 September 21, 2004 This is actually an A license requirement??? Why? That is like saying that is should be an A license requrement for me to know how a skyhook works. Not everyone is going to have an AAD..... *** Not quite sure whether knowing how a Cypress work is a requirement for the A license. However, If you are jumping it (even once) during your Student stage, you should know/ask what it does/how it works. I doesn't mean you should rely on it. But knowing the gear you are jumping should be on the top of the priority list. Not knowing how an AAD works happens, asking about it is the way to go in my opinion. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #75 September 21, 2004 I'm thinking it's an A license requirement because if you don't have a license, don't you have to have some kind of AAD? So, knowing how to turn it on, would fall under the self jumpmastering skills. Knowing the gear and all that.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
