rocketdog 0 #1 July 27, 2004 This post is to highlight one *exceptional* jumper: JASON "Jackie-Chan/Jackie-Chow" YASUDA Unfortunately, this past weekend a tandem master & his student landed off the airport with what looked like a side-by-side switching back & forth to a downplane. All other experienced jumpers had landed since this was the last tandem out, so, no one noticed the incident or could follow the tandem. Jason -- who was also on a tandem -- was the heroic skydiver who also landed off the airport. If not for Jason, vehicles may have searched for the tandem w/ the malfunction for eons. Jason handled this very serious situation with professionalism, courage, and compassion..... I pray that I could someday, somehow emulate his wisdom, bravery and selflessness. "A hero is an ordinary individual who finds the strength to persevere and endure in spite of overwhelming obstacles." -- Christopher Reeve see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 July 27, 2004 Could you give us more details? Was everyone ok? etc.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocketdog 0 #3 July 27, 2004 I am still unsure of details because I had to stay & hold down the dropzone .... Also, I would rather our S&TA post the reasons to the public for the 2 canopies out/no cutaway. The tandem instructor walked away, obviously shook up. The tandem student nagged of back pain but was completely coherent. We found out the following day (Sunday) that he has 2 broken vertebrae..... a blessing in my opinion! Basically, I wanted to point out that that took major balls on Jason's part ~hollywood edited 'cause i spelled my name wrong -- ha! see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #4 July 27, 2004 It sounds like Yoshi just keeps the good kharma turning. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #5 July 27, 2004 QuoteIt sounds like Yoshi just keeps the good kharma turning. Jason is Yoshi's brother. Jason is also DZ.com poster "Canopycandy" 's BF. I don't know him extremely well, but his heroic act sounds just like something that he'd do. Actually, after having met and briefly spent time talking with both Yoshi and Jason at two different boogies, it is obvious that they are both really sweet and caring people, whom we are all lucky to have within this comunity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mailin 0 #6 July 27, 2004 WOW! Arianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rocketdog 0 #7 July 27, 2004 definitely! those Yasuda brothers bring enthusiasm & a safety-conscious attitude to the sport!! Muenkel ~ do you know Jason too? or just Yosh-meister? see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #8 July 27, 2004 Thanks for the clarification VSG! It's Yoshi I have corresponded with and now I remember that his name is Kevin. My memory is quite jumbled these days. I didn't know he had a brother here. So let's rephrase it to say "Those Yasuda brothers keep the good kharma turning". _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #9 July 27, 2004 What did he do that's so heroic?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wrightskyguy 1 #10 July 27, 2004 ***What did he do that's so heroic? First of all, I'm glad everyone's ok. Now the real message; Intentionally landing a tandem off of the DZ is not a smart, or heroic thing to do. As a matter of fact, I will go so far as to say it is very irresponsible to add even the smallest bit of extra danger to a tandem when it is not nescessary. This reminds me of a post a while back where someone talked about what a wonderful jumper and freind this certain tandem master was because he swooped someones cutaway main(with a tandem passenger) and saved it from landing in the lake, in light of recent events, I don't think I need to point out the inherent stupidity in that move. Tandem masters: you are in the business of getting people from the plane to the ground, period. Stunts like this can very easily get ratings pulled, or worse. Jump safe John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rocketdog 0 #11 July 27, 2004 he followed a tandem with a malfunction, landing off the airport in an open field. he professionally calmed down HIS tandem student and searched for the other tandem (the one with the mal). if not for Jason, the search vehicles would've had a MUCH harder time finding the tandem. i think it's heroic that he landed close to the tandem w/ the mal -- while on his own tandem -- to make sure that they were alright & to signal help. see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #12 July 27, 2004 I don't know if I would call it heroic necessarily either... Sounds like the TM was leading with his heart and not his head on that maneuver. Just my $0.02.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #13 July 27, 2004 It seems that it would be more purdent to watch where they land and land on the DZ, tell them where he landed. That's just me, though.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #14 July 27, 2004 QuoteIntentionally landing a tandem off of the DZ is not a smart, or heroic thing to do. As a matter of fact, I will go so far as to say it is very irresponsible to add even the smallest bit of extra danger to a tandem when it is not nescessary. This reminds me of a post a while back where someone talked about what a wonderful jumper and freind this certain tandem master was because he swooped someones cutaway main(with a tandem passenger) and saved it from landing in the lake, in light of recent events, I think it boils down to the nature of the out where he landed. There are LOTS of outs around my DZ that I would have no qualms about landing a tandem in, IF there were a valid reason to do so (e.g. to render first aid to either/both of the tandem pair that just landed an alternating downplane/side-by-side). If a reasonably safe out exists that will allow you to get your passenger to the ground in one piece AND potentially save another passenger or their instructor, I think you have a moral responsibility to take that out. This in no way compares to swooping a cutaway main with a tandem, as that act is inherently unsafe and is only designed to save a wallet, not a life. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #15 July 27, 2004 I'd say if its a situation that would have the people watching looking all over like it sounds would have happened if he did'nt follow the tandem... it might not be the best idea. I've followed people and tandems down on reserve rides, but I always tried to fly to the DZ and inform them of the situation. I'm fairly well trained on First Aid and I used to have some first responder certs.. but I'm next to useless with out supplies. I can do CPR and offer advice, but with out a back board and C spine I would never touch someone that could possibly have back injuries. How will manifest know what supplies are needed if they don't know the situation? It was good intentions for him to assist if he could, but I'm not sure the hero part. But then I'm sure we are missing details that might make him more heroic then you mentioned so far. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wrightskyguy 1 #16 July 27, 2004 [***he followed a tandem with a malfunction, landing off the airport in an open field. he professionally calmed down HIS tandem student and searched for the other tandem (the one with the mal). if not for Jason, the search vehicles would've had a MUCH harder time finding the tandem. i think it's heroic that he landed close to the tandem w/ the mal -- while on his own tandem -- to make sure that they were alright & to signal help. You think it's heroic, I think it's irresponsible. It is never alright to intentionly land off of the airport with a tandem You, as an instructor have an obligation to the student that YOU are carrying. Explaining the situation to the student or asking him if it is ok doesn't make it right, the student has no idea what chances you are taking with him on a skydive that HE is paying for. What would have happened if they all had been hurt, then everyone would be searching for four people for eons. The right thing to do would have been to keep an eye on where they were going and then tell someone once they landed. Talk to this Jason person about it now, I'm sure that now that he has had time to think about it, he will realize what a ill advised manuever it was. At least I hope so. Jump safe John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #6 July 27, 2004 WOW! Arianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocketdog 0 #7 July 27, 2004 definitely! those Yasuda brothers bring enthusiasm & a safety-conscious attitude to the sport!! Muenkel ~ do you know Jason too? or just Yosh-meister? see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #8 July 27, 2004 Thanks for the clarification VSG! It's Yoshi I have corresponded with and now I remember that his name is Kevin. My memory is quite jumbled these days. I didn't know he had a brother here. So let's rephrase it to say "Those Yasuda brothers keep the good kharma turning". _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #9 July 27, 2004 What did he do that's so heroic?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #10 July 27, 2004 ***What did he do that's so heroic? First of all, I'm glad everyone's ok. Now the real message; Intentionally landing a tandem off of the DZ is not a smart, or heroic thing to do. As a matter of fact, I will go so far as to say it is very irresponsible to add even the smallest bit of extra danger to a tandem when it is not nescessary. This reminds me of a post a while back where someone talked about what a wonderful jumper and freind this certain tandem master was because he swooped someones cutaway main(with a tandem passenger) and saved it from landing in the lake, in light of recent events, I don't think I need to point out the inherent stupidity in that move. Tandem masters: you are in the business of getting people from the plane to the ground, period. Stunts like this can very easily get ratings pulled, or worse. Jump safe John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocketdog 0 #11 July 27, 2004 he followed a tandem with a malfunction, landing off the airport in an open field. he professionally calmed down HIS tandem student and searched for the other tandem (the one with the mal). if not for Jason, the search vehicles would've had a MUCH harder time finding the tandem. i think it's heroic that he landed close to the tandem w/ the mal -- while on his own tandem -- to make sure that they were alright & to signal help. see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #12 July 27, 2004 I don't know if I would call it heroic necessarily either... Sounds like the TM was leading with his heart and not his head on that maneuver. Just my $0.02.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #13 July 27, 2004 It seems that it would be more purdent to watch where they land and land on the DZ, tell them where he landed. That's just me, though.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #14 July 27, 2004 QuoteIntentionally landing a tandem off of the DZ is not a smart, or heroic thing to do. As a matter of fact, I will go so far as to say it is very irresponsible to add even the smallest bit of extra danger to a tandem when it is not nescessary. This reminds me of a post a while back where someone talked about what a wonderful jumper and freind this certain tandem master was because he swooped someones cutaway main(with a tandem passenger) and saved it from landing in the lake, in light of recent events, I think it boils down to the nature of the out where he landed. There are LOTS of outs around my DZ that I would have no qualms about landing a tandem in, IF there were a valid reason to do so (e.g. to render first aid to either/both of the tandem pair that just landed an alternating downplane/side-by-side). If a reasonably safe out exists that will allow you to get your passenger to the ground in one piece AND potentially save another passenger or their instructor, I think you have a moral responsibility to take that out. This in no way compares to swooping a cutaway main with a tandem, as that act is inherently unsafe and is only designed to save a wallet, not a life. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #15 July 27, 2004 I'd say if its a situation that would have the people watching looking all over like it sounds would have happened if he did'nt follow the tandem... it might not be the best idea. I've followed people and tandems down on reserve rides, but I always tried to fly to the DZ and inform them of the situation. I'm fairly well trained on First Aid and I used to have some first responder certs.. but I'm next to useless with out supplies. I can do CPR and offer advice, but with out a back board and C spine I would never touch someone that could possibly have back injuries. How will manifest know what supplies are needed if they don't know the situation? It was good intentions for him to assist if he could, but I'm not sure the hero part. But then I'm sure we are missing details that might make him more heroic then you mentioned so far. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #16 July 27, 2004 [***he followed a tandem with a malfunction, landing off the airport in an open field. he professionally calmed down HIS tandem student and searched for the other tandem (the one with the mal). if not for Jason, the search vehicles would've had a MUCH harder time finding the tandem. i think it's heroic that he landed close to the tandem w/ the mal -- while on his own tandem -- to make sure that they were alright & to signal help. You think it's heroic, I think it's irresponsible. It is never alright to intentionly land off of the airport with a tandem You, as an instructor have an obligation to the student that YOU are carrying. Explaining the situation to the student or asking him if it is ok doesn't make it right, the student has no idea what chances you are taking with him on a skydive that HE is paying for. What would have happened if they all had been hurt, then everyone would be searching for four people for eons. The right thing to do would have been to keep an eye on where they were going and then tell someone once they landed. Talk to this Jason person about it now, I'm sure that now that he has had time to think about it, he will realize what a ill advised manuever it was. At least I hope so. Jump safe John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #17 July 27, 2004 QuoteUnfortunately, this past weekend a tandem master & his student landed off the airport with what looked like a side-by-side switching back & forth to a downplane. Is this the relavent article??? Quote http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/0725parachute.html DOI: 7/24/04 Parachute malfunctions during tandem jump Student injured, but instructor not By Shannon Joyce Neal Dayton Daily News RICHMOND, Ind. | A parachute malfunction during a Saturday tandem jump in Indiana injured an Oxford man but spared his instructor, according to the Wayne County Sheriff's Office. Steve Steinmetz was a student in a tandem jump with instructor Jeff McGinnis. The pair jumped from a Cessna 208-B at 13,000 feet shortly before 6:30 p.m. Central Time, Sheriff Matt Strittmatter said. When McGinnis tried to deploy the drone chute, Strittmatter said McGinnis' hand became entangled in the chute. When the pair hit 3,000 feet, Strittmatter said McGinnis freed his hand to deploy the main chute. The pair crashed into a cornfield about a half-mile from the airport at Wolfe Road and Neiwornher Road in Indiana. Steinmetz was taken by helicopter to Miami Valley Hospital with a back injury. His condition was not immediately available. Quote Jason -- who was also on a tandem -- was the heroic skydiver who also landed off the airport. If not for Jason, vehicles may have searched for the tandem w/ the malfunction for eons. If the field was wide open, then it might be okay and at the same level of risk. If that was true, then it would not be that hard to find the original tandem pair either. (IIRC, corn fields - this time of year - are not exactly 'wide open') .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #18 July 27, 2004 >IIRC, corn fields - this time of year - are not exactly 'wide open' I'm 6'2" and I'd get lost in the corn. Its at least 6' tall in most areas here.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #19 July 27, 2004 QuoteIt is never alright to intentionly land off of the airport with a tandem You, as an instructor have an obligation to the student that YOU are carrying. Explaining the situation to the student or asking him if it is ok doesn't make it right, the student has no idea what chances you are taking with him on a skydive that HE is paying for. My guess is you don't have as many safe outs as some other DZ's. I've read nothing to indicate this guy picked a dangerous place to land. Flat, obstacle-free terrain is just as safe off the airport as it is on the airport. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #20 July 28, 2004 ***My guess is you don't have as many safe outs as some other DZ's. I've read nothing to indicate this guy picked a dangerous place to land. [/Quote It is not that hard to understand, anywhere off of the airport is more dangerous than the DZ simply because that is where everyone expects you to land and that is where everyone that could help you is. This is very basic stuff taught to every TM and should be common sense if it is not. Think about it. Jump safe John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #21 July 28, 2004 Quote, the search vehicles would've had a MUCH harder time finding the tandem. to a point, scott i thought heard jeff yell and ran through the corn field. maybe he heard jason, i don't know. i think it was a good thing to do, he landed in a field that he knew was flat and safe to land in, but in the same aspect it may of not been the smartest thing to do with a tandem. who knows, who cares. everyone came out ok, for the most part. it's done, it's over with, nothing can be done about it know. if i was in his postion, i more than likely would have done the same exact thing. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #22 July 28, 2004 Quote The pair jumped from a Cessna 208-B at 13,000 feet shortly before 6:30 p.m. Central Time, Sheriff Matt Strittmatter said. When McGinnis tried to deploy the drone chute, Strittmatter said McGinnis' hand became entangled in the chute. When the pair hit 3,000 feet, Strittmatter said McGinnis freed his hand to deploy the main chute. Anyone Know what really happened? As a newer TM I'm curious how he ended up with 2 out to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rocketdog 0 #23 July 30, 2004 i agree, landing a Tandem off is not the smartest thing to do.... but you have to understand the context of the situation. the other tandems AND experienced people saw the mal, but none of the experienced people could land w/ the tandem (since they pull lower). however, as someone else suggested, our DZ has a lot of outs, not to mention the DZ itself being 800 acres of grass. anyway, i must say i am disappointed in some of these posts..... FIRST, the post was meant to highlight something very caring that Jason did.... what if the student/instructor were unconscious? what if they were bleeding profusely? i would surely want someone to land out with me if that were the case! SECOND, it may not be "heroic" by any stretch of the imagination, but it is admirable and exemplary. I myself have had a reserve ride & out of the ENTIRE load, no one landed out with me to simply make sure that everything was ok. So, it may not be post-worthy to you but I have seen & experienced the "every man for himself" attitude. I think it's a shame that you are being so negative. ~hollywood see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rocketdog 0 #24 July 30, 2004 i have not read the article from the Dayton Daily News so i do not know its accuracy. the student stopped by this week to pick up his log book & cannot wait to return to the sky again (he's also studying to be a pilot) **ASIDE FROM THAT, it is not in the dropzone's best interest for me to disclose what "really" transpired -- i might even be missing some details. i would be happy to give you our S&TA's e-mail address however** ~hollywood see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #25 August 3, 2004 Jason ..... WAY TO GO DUDE.... awsum way to handle a situation and watch out for others. KUDOS and major props man Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skygod7777 0 #21 July 28, 2004 Quote, the search vehicles would've had a MUCH harder time finding the tandem. to a point, scott i thought heard jeff yell and ran through the corn field. maybe he heard jason, i don't know. i think it was a good thing to do, he landed in a field that he knew was flat and safe to land in, but in the same aspect it may of not been the smartest thing to do with a tandem. who knows, who cares. everyone came out ok, for the most part. it's done, it's over with, nothing can be done about it know. if i was in his postion, i more than likely would have done the same exact thing. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSEMN8R 0 #22 July 28, 2004 Quote The pair jumped from a Cessna 208-B at 13,000 feet shortly before 6:30 p.m. Central Time, Sheriff Matt Strittmatter said. When McGinnis tried to deploy the drone chute, Strittmatter said McGinnis' hand became entangled in the chute. When the pair hit 3,000 feet, Strittmatter said McGinnis freed his hand to deploy the main chute. Anyone Know what really happened? As a newer TM I'm curious how he ended up with 2 out to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocketdog 0 #23 July 30, 2004 i agree, landing a Tandem off is not the smartest thing to do.... but you have to understand the context of the situation. the other tandems AND experienced people saw the mal, but none of the experienced people could land w/ the tandem (since they pull lower). however, as someone else suggested, our DZ has a lot of outs, not to mention the DZ itself being 800 acres of grass. anyway, i must say i am disappointed in some of these posts..... FIRST, the post was meant to highlight something very caring that Jason did.... what if the student/instructor were unconscious? what if they were bleeding profusely? i would surely want someone to land out with me if that were the case! SECOND, it may not be "heroic" by any stretch of the imagination, but it is admirable and exemplary. I myself have had a reserve ride & out of the ENTIRE load, no one landed out with me to simply make sure that everything was ok. So, it may not be post-worthy to you but I have seen & experienced the "every man for himself" attitude. I think it's a shame that you are being so negative. ~hollywood see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocketdog 0 #24 July 30, 2004 i have not read the article from the Dayton Daily News so i do not know its accuracy. the student stopped by this week to pick up his log book & cannot wait to return to the sky again (he's also studying to be a pilot) **ASIDE FROM THAT, it is not in the dropzone's best interest for me to disclose what "really" transpired -- i might even be missing some details. i would be happy to give you our S&TA's e-mail address however** ~hollywood see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #25 August 3, 2004 Jason ..... WAY TO GO DUDE.... awsum way to handle a situation and watch out for others. KUDOS and major props man Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
