WrongWay 0 #76 August 17, 2004 Quote Does nobody find it odd that rather than DESTROY the rumored vampires, the Catholic Church put them into coffins, sent them with a bunch of would-be nuns and a sailing crew to the New World, and then put them into an attic for "safe-keeping"? What on earth was the reason for not killing the vampires? Could be any reason. Maybe they didn't know how to destroy them. Maybe they were afraid to wake them. Maybe they planned to use them somehow. Maybe they were placed in the attic to protect something. Maybe they needed some immortal interior decorators who worked cheap. Maybe you should write the pope and ask him. Quote And am I wrong in feeling that this story begins with a rational "reason" for the coffins being sent with the girls, and then degenerates into treating the vampire rumors as a truth? Maybe you're just being anal retentive. In theory, every story here is being treated as "truth", but the fact is, none of these things (as in paranormal stuff) can be proven. So what is "truth" when you can't prove any of this? (except I've seen the coroners report, but I can't exactly whip it up and send a copy to ya ) Quote Besides, why on earth would rich parents send their girls to a convent in an area that is so dangerous that they have to bring along their own coffins?! Does any of that fit? Easy, the Ursuline Convent. As I stated earlier, sending them there at the time was the equivalent to today's Harvard. Basically these people were saying "Okay, we want to send your daughters to the New World to have the finest education possible and it will cost you next to nothing". Sounds good doesn't it? It's all the marketing. If you were sending your kid to Harvard, you would simply assume it was an excellent area by reputation, right? Quote How or why would vampires drain the blood of a victim through a small slit by the shoulder blade? For how.....I think we all know that you don't need to cut a major artery fora person to bleed. If ya don't know it, try it. Goopy red stuff will come out. I promise. As for why, maybe it was because of a traumatic experience as a kid, and his inner child was coming out to face his own demons....... Honestly, how the hell am I supposed to know? Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #77 August 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteA couple of female assistants for some paranormal investigators (who were working in a house across the st, old mafia killing) were standing in front of the convent in the middle of the night, trying to see the shutters close enough to see the "blessed screws" (which they couldn't, there's a big ass iron gate surrounding the place and it's locked at night). Long story short, they were both found the next day dead and drained of blood. Here's the freaky part. The freaky part is that anyone claims to know what the two girls were trying to see or do if they both turned up dead. - Dude, read the rest of it....they were assistants for paranormalists........do you think they went there because they felt like it? *hint hint* "Hey, you two, go across the street and check this out while we're here...." "Sure thing boss!!!" *whispers* "God damn those two ditzes are annoying......" So it's not strange at all that we know why they were there and what they were looking for, because they had orders to do so. What exactly happened after they went out there, nobody knows. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #78 August 17, 2004 QuoteSounding just a wee bit threatened there girl Not threatened Squeak...I don't have anything to be threatened by or about. Just gets my dander up when somebody has to be a dick to disagree. It's possible to disagree and still be respectful (at least MOST people know that). QuoteBTW your reasoning skills need work . The point of scientific exploration is to find truths. If all the Ivy league Unis had found definitive PROOF of Paranormality then they may very well have "confidentiality agreements be signed by all participants" however they only reason they would need them is to protect their financial interests in the study, Taking out Patents and copyrights would protect them, going public would make the extremely rich. you're missing the point here buddy...do you really think money is all that would matter? For the love of Pete, if I could walk through walls and verify world events before they happened and tell you who's in the Unknown Soldier's tomb and tell you who shot JFK do you honestly think I'd want that info going public?? Maybe I would participate in a scientific study to try to expand the human mind and the collective consciousness of all people because I'm just that cool of a person, but go and tell everybody about it and I might get upset...and serious, if I could start fires by just being pissed off, am I really someone you want to be back-stabbing?? QuoteAs to Randi's MILLIONS he isn't asking anyone to come foward and prove "THEY can do anything "special", he is offering the Million for PROVE that something paranormal can be done. "Sir I say again: To risk being exposed is not worth a measly million bucks, over." I suppose you're trying to make the point that somebody could 'sneak around' and catch some Pyrokenetic starting a fire, or someone with ESP reading cards, or some stuff like that? Then answer me this, Squeak; if they're psychic, what are the odds some jerky-boy is gonna 'sneak up' on them and just happen to catch them in the act?? QuoteAnd please no Astral projecting your hostilites at me Absolutely not, sir. I'm just warming up my voodoo doll... -Is it getting hot in here, or is it just you? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowtimer 0 #79 August 17, 2004 At Fort Bragg, there's a Revolutionary War skirmish site in a marshy area. Rumor had it that at night strange noises would come from that area. My team and I were doing land nav training one night, and we ended up taking a short break at the site. I thought one of our guys was moving about to take a leak or something, but we were all sitting still. The looks on my buddies' faces indicated that I wasn't the only one hearing it (or scared shitless). The sound of people walking increased and lasted for a couple of minutes. The sloshing sound was also accompanied by clanks of metal (soldiers' gear?) and the sound of fabric rustling. I have never ran so fast with a rucksack before, or since. ---------------------------------- Successfully avoiding adult responsibility since 1978! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #80 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuote Absolutely not, sir. I'm just warming up my voodoo doll... -Is it getting hot in here, or is it just you? I was born HOT babyYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #81 August 18, 2004 QuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #82 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the filmYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #83 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the film Then you need to go rent it right fucking meow! Blue skies, --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #84 August 18, 2004 QuoteIf you were sending your kid to Harvard, you would simply assume it was an excellent area by reputation, right?Quote Um, not if there was a requirement that they bring along their own COFFINS because the risk of a murderous death was so high, no. And this was per your story... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #85 August 18, 2004 Quote Um, not if there was a requirement that they bring along their own COFFINS because the risk of a murderous death was so high, no. And this was per your story... - You're right, but surely they wouldn't tell them the real reason, right? (Hell, even today they wouldn't give a true reason) I wonder what they actually told them..... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #86 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the film Then you need to go rent it right fucking meow! Blue skies, - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! A SuperTroopers reference...Ok, you're acceptable.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Casurf1978 0 #87 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote "I find your lack of faith disturbing..." To each his own. But if Princeton has PEAR, Stanford has SRI, and Duke Uni had the Rhine Institute they're curious about something. Not to mention that many Professors from world class colleges are memeber of the Society for Scientific Exploration. Then again what do a bunch of Phds know. Umm... All these big brains involved in the search for the paranormal. You use them as evidence for the existence of the paranormal. Why don't any of them have anything definitively, objectively proving the existence of ghosts, spirits, vampires, bigfoot, aliens, or any other heebie-jeebie? Why has no one claimed James Randi's offer of $1,000,000 if he can't disprove their claim of psychic powers? In my view, it's all bullshit until someone PROVES it. No one has. - I didn't use them as evidance. Read some of the Society for Scientific Exploration papers. Yeah some are far fetched, while others are intresting. Still why are some of the brightest minds in the world curious about certain things that cannot be explained. It's all about keeping an open mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpergirl 0 #88 August 18, 2004 A few weeks ago we lost our remote control. We turned our trailer upside down looking for it. We looking in the cabiniets, the fridge, the freezer, the bathroom, everywhere and could not find it. We looked for over an hour! Travis left to go to the store for something so I was home alone. I sat at my computer desk, put my head down on the desk (like you do in school) and began to meditate. I have never meditated before, so this was new to me. I tried to clear my mind and imagine myself on a beach, a peaceful place. I didn't "see" a beach in my mind but instead I was looking out at the most beautiful mountains I have ever seen. White capped, tall, clouds around the top, the works. So I started asking, "Where is the remote? What happened to it? Someone please tell me where it is." Suddenly I saw it sitting on the side of a mountain. Then I was "told" that it was between the wall and my computer tower (which sits on the floor). Well, there is no room for it to be there since the tower sits against the wall. I happened to look up a little and sitting about 6" about the top of the tower was our remote control, stuck in the mini-blinds that cover that window. It was sitting at an angle just like I had seen it sitting on the side of the mountain. I don't care what other people say or think, but someone, somewhere, told me where to look for that thing! I would have NEVER thought to look in the blinds. All I can guess is that it got pushed off of the desk and landed in the blinds and we weren't paying attention when it happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sinkster 0 #89 August 18, 2004 LOL, very funny picturing someone meditating about a tv remote. I bet the 'spirits' were highly amused too. "Great spirits of old! I beg your suffrance! Please listen to my humble entreaty! Where is the chocolate cookie? What happened to it? Please help me find it!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #90 August 18, 2004 QuoteLOL, very funny picturing someone meditating about a tv remote. I bet the 'spirits' were highly amused too. "Great spirits of old! I beg your suffrance! Please listen to my humble entreaty! Where is the chocolate cookie? What happened to it? Please help me find it!" "And if you don't help me find my choclate right freakin' now, I swear I'm gonna..." Oh, my bad. I was thinkin' this is 'what you do when you have PMS' thread! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hipwrddude 0 #91 August 24, 2004 Metalslug was on the mark with the research on paranormal observations occurring during states of less then alert, consciousness. It's the rapid descent into REM sleep (rapid eye movement,) the state at which the body actually receives resuscitative sleep (or, your most restful sleep.) Sleep is the state at which we unleash our subconscious. During that descent we are extremely susceptible to misinterpreting perceptions from the dream state as perceptions from a conscious state. What's interesting, is the findings of a professor from, I believe, the University of Toronto. He took sensory deprived subjects (sense of smell, sight & hearing capped,) placed an electrode cap on their heads, and ran a small electrical charge through it around their heads. Suddenly, the subjects began feeling the presence of people moving around them. One of my former professors at Temple University, Dr. Jacobs, teaches the only accredited UFO course in the country. You can find him by doing a Google search too. Anyway, to him, UFO abduction phenomen is real and he's authored several books on the subject. What's interesting to note is that there is a cultural desire to want to believe in these things that stretches back to creatures under the bridges in Europe B.C. (and older.) When something carried in the media (cigar shaped objects in the sky, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, ET, etc.) reports from the public corroborating a similar experience emerge too. For me, the experiences of two friends stand out. One, from Kentucky, was a teenager with a buddy out hunting when nightfall came. As they made their way back home, a noise crashed through the still night air. They froze. And listened. In the trees high up on the mountain, something dark was jumping from tree to tree. It was so heavy, the trunks of the trees let out loud cracking sounds. My friend and his buddy were so terrified they hauled ass down the mountain. His father thought it was a mountain lion, but they both shook their heads; it was much bigger. When he got done telling me and a roomful of sober Marines at Camp Fuji, Japan, he had to wipe the tears from his eyes. The second story I'll keep short. A well-known friend of mine experienced what many so-called "alien abductees" refer to as "missing time." For him, it occurred on a beach. I can't go into the details but I'll say this, I was talking about UFO phenomen for about an hour with friends when he opened up about it. Only his wife knew about his experience. The other family members present had no idea. His account was corroborated. At the end of his story he literally started to tremble. He never responded to my emails of UFO images I thought reflected what he described. For him, it was a terrifying experience that he, fortunately, couldn't remember fully, and never wanted to be reminded of, ever. You're always the starter in your own life! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #92 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the film Then you need to go rent it right fucking meow! Blue skies, - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! A SuperTroopers reference...Ok, you're acceptable. I aim to please. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #93 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou use them as evidence for the existence of the paranormal. Why don't any of them have anything definitively, objectively proving the existence of ghosts, spirits, vampires, bigfoot, aliens, or any other heebie-jeebie? Why has no one claimed James Randi's offer of $1,000,000 if he can't disprove their claim of psychic powers? In my view, it's all bullshit until someone PROVES it. No one has. - I didn't use them as evidance. Read some of the Society for Scientific Exploration papers. Yeah some are far fetched, while others are intresting. Still why are some of the brightest minds in the world curious about certain things that cannot be explained. It's all about keeping an open mind. So some of the brightest minds in the world are curious about "the unexplained." That doesn't mean that the things they can't explain are truly "paranormal," and just because the "brightest minds" are curious about something doesn't mean that the far-out explanations offered by some of the crackpots we hear from are true. There is no incongruity between having bright minds curious about these things and being skeptical about the origins of the strange occurrences. Bright minds being curious about "weird events" is not some sort of evidence, much less proof, that there is legitimacy to the claims of paranormal activity. Bright minds have been known to investigate claims of things and find them false, you know. If I claimed I could foretell lottery numbers two weeks in advance, and the brightest minds got "curious" and investigated my claim, that alone would not give it any more legitimacy than it actually merits -- which of course would be none. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlailingJohn 0 #94 August 24, 2004 WE live in a weird world www.forteantimes.com The second link is a infamous story on the "warrens" raggety anne doll that was possed by a demon and is locked in a case to this day. http://www.warrens.net/annabell.htmI threw my confidence out the airplane door years ago......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbarry 0 #95 August 24, 2004 QuoteA common pattern of many "paranormal sightings" involve witnesses that are tired, fatigued... Didn't know that. Could help explain my experience (details in a post far above). As a young infantry officer back then, I wasn't known to get a whole lot of sleep for weeks on end. I can't say for sure it wasn't a hallucination of some sort. But if it was, it was a really f'n good one. I'm cool with finding anything that might help explain it, because it's bothered me on and off since. Almost anytime I'm alone in the outdoors, I remember it like it was yesterday. No way I can concede to people like PJ that my story is bullshit, cuz it's not. The shit really happened. (What the hell do I have to gain by lying about it to people I've never met on a discussion forum?) But then I can't blame anyone for thinking it's bullshit, because there's not much logic to it. Shoot, even if someone told me that story, I'd probably more likely believe a far-fetched rational explanation over a first-hand paranormal one. Nothing like that ever happened to me before or since, and I've never done drugs. It lasted a good long time (around 10 sec.) and it was loud. First I was walking, then during the event I was moving quite a bit trying to defend myself from this angry animal. If my brain was kicking in some sleep level, it certainly took a long time to shake it. If it's not evidence of the paranormal, then it's evidence that the brain is an incredible machine, and crappy to admit that my own senses can't always be trusted, which would suck, since I kinda like to count on them. Whether it happened or not (and I kinda wish I could find a way to conclude it hadn't) it was the freakiest sh*t I ever saw in my life, and that's what ACME asked to hear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #96 August 24, 2004 That Warrens site is just silly. A lot of the alleged actions taken by the people involved in these "hauntings" are totally irrational. Like those people keeping the creepy doll, or even the Warrens keeping the creepy doll. Why on earth is there no mention of attempts to destroy it? I thought fire is like the "universal purifier," but no one tried to burn the doll? It's kept in some CASE now? I thought it TELEPORTS! Ohhh, is it a "magic, blessed" case?? If a doll could make a car stall in order to cause the power steering and brakes to lose power, in an effort to harm the car's occupants, couldn't it just jerk the steering wheel at a bad moment and cause the car to hit head-on traffic? Duh. These are creepy ghost stories, sure, but anyone can post a story. Proving it's real is a different thing altogether. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #97 August 24, 2004 QuoteNo way I can concede to people like PJ that my story is bullshit, cuz it's not. The shit really happened. (What the hell do I have to gain by lying about it to people I've never met on a discussion forum?) Um, some people like the effect of telling stories that get a rise out of others. This is inconceivable? It is exactly what I remind myself of when people tell stories that are incredible and insist they are true. That's the whole nature of hoaxes. Have you never read books on the allegations of paranormal activity that have been debunked thoroughly, and how they were debunked? Check out the Time Life series on the unexplained. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #98 August 24, 2004 Okay, my turn. I can't believe I didn't remember this until just now -- remembering it gave me a creepy chill. I don't claim that this is paranormal, it's just weird and spooky. I grew up in a house in Smithtown, Long Island. The house was built in 1971 shortly before we moved in, and then I was born in September that year. Our family always had a collection, ever-growing, of books, both paperback and hardcover. Time came when we must have had oh, a rough guesstimate, two to five hundred books. My dad, my brother and I built some rough, unfinished bookshelves out of pine in the basement, which was also only semi-finished. We used it for laundry, the spare gas range, the big freezer, and half of it was a bedroom for my brother after college for a while. A few of the books we put on those shelves kinda creeped me out. One was called "The Cats," which was about some plague that makes the cats of England go nuts and kill people all over the place. Another was "The Exorcist," which had some creepy photo on the cover, I think it was of the girl making a scary face close-up to the camera. The other was "The Omen," the original, and on the cover was a drawing of little boy Damien standing there backlit and in shadow. One time I was down there looking through the books, I guess as a teenager. I took "The Omen" down off the shelf and flipped through it -- not reading it, because I didn't want to get creeped-out by reading a scary passage inadvertently. But I did examine the pages, and, here is the part that still weirds me out and I can't explain -- this book, the only one out of hundreds was worm-eaten!. There were holes through the paper as though maggots or something had been boring through it. I did not see any worms themselves, live or dead, but the holes were pretty unmistakeable. We never had any kind of suspected spiritual infestations in that house. It wasn't particularly old, and only one family had lived in it before we moved in, briefly, and we were never aware of any tragedy surrounding them, although I'm still curious about why they moved out of a brand-new house after only a few months. One time, my sisters, who shared a bedroom, said that late at night, a bunch of stuff shook in their room. I don't know if I was in the house at the time it was said to have happened, but I don't recall such shaking. When my brother was a teenager, he and his friends used to go into the woods on the south side of the house to play with BB guns and stuff. Up until about 10 years ago, there was an old house on the property next door, and it had been built in the 1800s as a farmhouse. The area around us had been farmland, apparently. Well, Smithtown historical records indicate that the graves of the farmer and his wife (name not known to me) are in those woods somewhere. My brother and a friend of his had found the headstones during those early years there, in the '70s, and -- get this -- tried to lure ghosts back to our house by taking the headstones with them! (I guess they were small or flimsy stones. My brother told me about this, but said that carrying the stones was hard work, so they gave up the effort, and they had not been able to get the stones all the way back to the house. Don't go thinking that I believe anything ghostly came of the moving of the headstones, or that I think it's connected to the book worm thing. But years later, a town paper reporter/historian guy came to our house asking to see the woods next door, because an issue had arisen involving a developer who had bought the property and wanted to put houses up where the woods are. Since town records indicated graves in the woods, the development could not take place for fear of disturbing them, unless they could be located. I volunteered to lead the historian through the woods, but we weren't able to find the stones nor the graves. That was probably a good thing, because the inability to locate the graves meant that the developer schmuck could not thorougly destroy all the woods that were there -- he had to give a wide buffer to the suspected site of the graves. So the story about "The Omen" being the only book on our shelves that had been eaten at by worms is my only creepy story. I'm pretty sure that when my parents sold the house in 2000, I threw it out when we were packing stuff up. I sure didn't want it. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlailingJohn 0 #99 August 24, 2004 Basically I posted the links for amusement. I agree The warrens site is silly and the writing is awful. When I first read it, I had to force myself to read through it. ***Why on earth is there no mention of attempts to destroy it?*** who knows, why they didn't destroy it. They might be afraid that if they throw it in a fire. it will escape the fire run and have a burning doll run through their house just kidding. In away it compares to the other story on this thread "why not kill the vampire instead of sending them to the new world" I threw my confidence out the airplane door years ago......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #100 August 24, 2004 QuoteBasically I posted the links for amusement. I agree The warrens site is silly and the writing is awful. When I first read it, I had to force myself to read through it. Ah. Okay, thanks. Yeah, I forgot to mention how amateurish the technical skills of the writers of that site are. It's like it was written by a high-schooler. (And before anyone starts on me, I already know that I didn't do a great job on my Omen/bookshelf story either. I was in a rush and I'm tired.) --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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ACMESkydiver 0 #81 August 18, 2004 QuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #82 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the filmYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #83 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the film Then you need to go rent it right fucking meow! Blue skies, --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #84 August 18, 2004 QuoteIf you were sending your kid to Harvard, you would simply assume it was an excellent area by reputation, right?Quote Um, not if there was a requirement that they bring along their own COFFINS because the risk of a murderous death was so high, no. And this was per your story... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #85 August 18, 2004 Quote Um, not if there was a requirement that they bring along their own COFFINS because the risk of a murderous death was so high, no. And this was per your story... - You're right, but surely they wouldn't tell them the real reason, right? (Hell, even today they wouldn't give a true reason) I wonder what they actually told them..... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #86 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the film Then you need to go rent it right fucking meow! Blue skies, - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! A SuperTroopers reference...Ok, you're acceptable.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Casurf1978 0 #87 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote "I find your lack of faith disturbing..." To each his own. But if Princeton has PEAR, Stanford has SRI, and Duke Uni had the Rhine Institute they're curious about something. Not to mention that many Professors from world class colleges are memeber of the Society for Scientific Exploration. Then again what do a bunch of Phds know. Umm... All these big brains involved in the search for the paranormal. You use them as evidence for the existence of the paranormal. Why don't any of them have anything definitively, objectively proving the existence of ghosts, spirits, vampires, bigfoot, aliens, or any other heebie-jeebie? Why has no one claimed James Randi's offer of $1,000,000 if he can't disprove their claim of psychic powers? In my view, it's all bullshit until someone PROVES it. No one has. - I didn't use them as evidance. Read some of the Society for Scientific Exploration papers. Yeah some are far fetched, while others are intresting. Still why are some of the brightest minds in the world curious about certain things that cannot be explained. It's all about keeping an open mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpergirl 0 #88 August 18, 2004 A few weeks ago we lost our remote control. We turned our trailer upside down looking for it. We looking in the cabiniets, the fridge, the freezer, the bathroom, everywhere and could not find it. We looked for over an hour! Travis left to go to the store for something so I was home alone. I sat at my computer desk, put my head down on the desk (like you do in school) and began to meditate. I have never meditated before, so this was new to me. I tried to clear my mind and imagine myself on a beach, a peaceful place. I didn't "see" a beach in my mind but instead I was looking out at the most beautiful mountains I have ever seen. White capped, tall, clouds around the top, the works. So I started asking, "Where is the remote? What happened to it? Someone please tell me where it is." Suddenly I saw it sitting on the side of a mountain. Then I was "told" that it was between the wall and my computer tower (which sits on the floor). Well, there is no room for it to be there since the tower sits against the wall. I happened to look up a little and sitting about 6" about the top of the tower was our remote control, stuck in the mini-blinds that cover that window. It was sitting at an angle just like I had seen it sitting on the side of the mountain. I don't care what other people say or think, but someone, somewhere, told me where to look for that thing! I would have NEVER thought to look in the blinds. All I can guess is that it got pushed off of the desk and landed in the blinds and we weren't paying attention when it happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sinkster 0 #89 August 18, 2004 LOL, very funny picturing someone meditating about a tv remote. I bet the 'spirits' were highly amused too. "Great spirits of old! I beg your suffrance! Please listen to my humble entreaty! Where is the chocolate cookie? What happened to it? Please help me find it!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #90 August 18, 2004 QuoteLOL, very funny picturing someone meditating about a tv remote. I bet the 'spirits' were highly amused too. "Great spirits of old! I beg your suffrance! Please listen to my humble entreaty! Where is the chocolate cookie? What happened to it? Please help me find it!" "And if you don't help me find my choclate right freakin' now, I swear I'm gonna..." Oh, my bad. I was thinkin' this is 'what you do when you have PMS' thread! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hipwrddude 0 #91 August 24, 2004 Metalslug was on the mark with the research on paranormal observations occurring during states of less then alert, consciousness. It's the rapid descent into REM sleep (rapid eye movement,) the state at which the body actually receives resuscitative sleep (or, your most restful sleep.) Sleep is the state at which we unleash our subconscious. During that descent we are extremely susceptible to misinterpreting perceptions from the dream state as perceptions from a conscious state. What's interesting, is the findings of a professor from, I believe, the University of Toronto. He took sensory deprived subjects (sense of smell, sight & hearing capped,) placed an electrode cap on their heads, and ran a small electrical charge through it around their heads. Suddenly, the subjects began feeling the presence of people moving around them. One of my former professors at Temple University, Dr. Jacobs, teaches the only accredited UFO course in the country. You can find him by doing a Google search too. Anyway, to him, UFO abduction phenomen is real and he's authored several books on the subject. What's interesting to note is that there is a cultural desire to want to believe in these things that stretches back to creatures under the bridges in Europe B.C. (and older.) When something carried in the media (cigar shaped objects in the sky, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, ET, etc.) reports from the public corroborating a similar experience emerge too. For me, the experiences of two friends stand out. One, from Kentucky, was a teenager with a buddy out hunting when nightfall came. As they made their way back home, a noise crashed through the still night air. They froze. And listened. In the trees high up on the mountain, something dark was jumping from tree to tree. It was so heavy, the trunks of the trees let out loud cracking sounds. My friend and his buddy were so terrified they hauled ass down the mountain. His father thought it was a mountain lion, but they both shook their heads; it was much bigger. When he got done telling me and a roomful of sober Marines at Camp Fuji, Japan, he had to wipe the tears from his eyes. The second story I'll keep short. A well-known friend of mine experienced what many so-called "alien abductees" refer to as "missing time." For him, it occurred on a beach. I can't go into the details but I'll say this, I was talking about UFO phenomen for about an hour with friends when he opened up about it. Only his wife knew about his experience. The other family members present had no idea. His account was corroborated. At the end of his story he literally started to tremble. He never responded to my emails of UFO images I thought reflected what he described. For him, it was a terrifying experience that he, fortunately, couldn't remember fully, and never wanted to be reminded of, ever. You're always the starter in your own life! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #92 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the film Then you need to go rent it right fucking meow! Blue skies, - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! A SuperTroopers reference...Ok, you're acceptable. I aim to please. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #93 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou use them as evidence for the existence of the paranormal. Why don't any of them have anything definitively, objectively proving the existence of ghosts, spirits, vampires, bigfoot, aliens, or any other heebie-jeebie? Why has no one claimed James Randi's offer of $1,000,000 if he can't disprove their claim of psychic powers? In my view, it's all bullshit until someone PROVES it. No one has. - I didn't use them as evidance. Read some of the Society for Scientific Exploration papers. Yeah some are far fetched, while others are intresting. Still why are some of the brightest minds in the world curious about certain things that cannot be explained. It's all about keeping an open mind. So some of the brightest minds in the world are curious about "the unexplained." That doesn't mean that the things they can't explain are truly "paranormal," and just because the "brightest minds" are curious about something doesn't mean that the far-out explanations offered by some of the crackpots we hear from are true. There is no incongruity between having bright minds curious about these things and being skeptical about the origins of the strange occurrences. Bright minds being curious about "weird events" is not some sort of evidence, much less proof, that there is legitimacy to the claims of paranormal activity. Bright minds have been known to investigate claims of things and find them false, you know. If I claimed I could foretell lottery numbers two weeks in advance, and the brightest minds got "curious" and investigated my claim, that alone would not give it any more legitimacy than it actually merits -- which of course would be none. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlailingJohn 0 #94 August 24, 2004 WE live in a weird world www.forteantimes.com The second link is a infamous story on the "warrens" raggety anne doll that was possed by a demon and is locked in a case to this day. http://www.warrens.net/annabell.htmI threw my confidence out the airplane door years ago......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbarry 0 #95 August 24, 2004 QuoteA common pattern of many "paranormal sightings" involve witnesses that are tired, fatigued... Didn't know that. Could help explain my experience (details in a post far above). As a young infantry officer back then, I wasn't known to get a whole lot of sleep for weeks on end. I can't say for sure it wasn't a hallucination of some sort. But if it was, it was a really f'n good one. I'm cool with finding anything that might help explain it, because it's bothered me on and off since. Almost anytime I'm alone in the outdoors, I remember it like it was yesterday. No way I can concede to people like PJ that my story is bullshit, cuz it's not. The shit really happened. (What the hell do I have to gain by lying about it to people I've never met on a discussion forum?) But then I can't blame anyone for thinking it's bullshit, because there's not much logic to it. Shoot, even if someone told me that story, I'd probably more likely believe a far-fetched rational explanation over a first-hand paranormal one. Nothing like that ever happened to me before or since, and I've never done drugs. It lasted a good long time (around 10 sec.) and it was loud. First I was walking, then during the event I was moving quite a bit trying to defend myself from this angry animal. If my brain was kicking in some sleep level, it certainly took a long time to shake it. If it's not evidence of the paranormal, then it's evidence that the brain is an incredible machine, and crappy to admit that my own senses can't always be trusted, which would suck, since I kinda like to count on them. Whether it happened or not (and I kinda wish I could find a way to conclude it hadn't) it was the freakiest sh*t I ever saw in my life, and that's what ACME asked to hear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #96 August 24, 2004 That Warrens site is just silly. A lot of the alleged actions taken by the people involved in these "hauntings" are totally irrational. Like those people keeping the creepy doll, or even the Warrens keeping the creepy doll. Why on earth is there no mention of attempts to destroy it? I thought fire is like the "universal purifier," but no one tried to burn the doll? It's kept in some CASE now? I thought it TELEPORTS! Ohhh, is it a "magic, blessed" case?? If a doll could make a car stall in order to cause the power steering and brakes to lose power, in an effort to harm the car's occupants, couldn't it just jerk the steering wheel at a bad moment and cause the car to hit head-on traffic? Duh. These are creepy ghost stories, sure, but anyone can post a story. Proving it's real is a different thing altogether. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #97 August 24, 2004 QuoteNo way I can concede to people like PJ that my story is bullshit, cuz it's not. The shit really happened. (What the hell do I have to gain by lying about it to people I've never met on a discussion forum?) Um, some people like the effect of telling stories that get a rise out of others. This is inconceivable? It is exactly what I remind myself of when people tell stories that are incredible and insist they are true. That's the whole nature of hoaxes. Have you never read books on the allegations of paranormal activity that have been debunked thoroughly, and how they were debunked? Check out the Time Life series on the unexplained. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #98 August 24, 2004 Okay, my turn. I can't believe I didn't remember this until just now -- remembering it gave me a creepy chill. I don't claim that this is paranormal, it's just weird and spooky. I grew up in a house in Smithtown, Long Island. The house was built in 1971 shortly before we moved in, and then I was born in September that year. Our family always had a collection, ever-growing, of books, both paperback and hardcover. Time came when we must have had oh, a rough guesstimate, two to five hundred books. My dad, my brother and I built some rough, unfinished bookshelves out of pine in the basement, which was also only semi-finished. We used it for laundry, the spare gas range, the big freezer, and half of it was a bedroom for my brother after college for a while. A few of the books we put on those shelves kinda creeped me out. One was called "The Cats," which was about some plague that makes the cats of England go nuts and kill people all over the place. Another was "The Exorcist," which had some creepy photo on the cover, I think it was of the girl making a scary face close-up to the camera. The other was "The Omen," the original, and on the cover was a drawing of little boy Damien standing there backlit and in shadow. One time I was down there looking through the books, I guess as a teenager. I took "The Omen" down off the shelf and flipped through it -- not reading it, because I didn't want to get creeped-out by reading a scary passage inadvertently. But I did examine the pages, and, here is the part that still weirds me out and I can't explain -- this book, the only one out of hundreds was worm-eaten!. There were holes through the paper as though maggots or something had been boring through it. I did not see any worms themselves, live or dead, but the holes were pretty unmistakeable. We never had any kind of suspected spiritual infestations in that house. It wasn't particularly old, and only one family had lived in it before we moved in, briefly, and we were never aware of any tragedy surrounding them, although I'm still curious about why they moved out of a brand-new house after only a few months. One time, my sisters, who shared a bedroom, said that late at night, a bunch of stuff shook in their room. I don't know if I was in the house at the time it was said to have happened, but I don't recall such shaking. When my brother was a teenager, he and his friends used to go into the woods on the south side of the house to play with BB guns and stuff. Up until about 10 years ago, there was an old house on the property next door, and it had been built in the 1800s as a farmhouse. The area around us had been farmland, apparently. Well, Smithtown historical records indicate that the graves of the farmer and his wife (name not known to me) are in those woods somewhere. My brother and a friend of his had found the headstones during those early years there, in the '70s, and -- get this -- tried to lure ghosts back to our house by taking the headstones with them! (I guess they were small or flimsy stones. My brother told me about this, but said that carrying the stones was hard work, so they gave up the effort, and they had not been able to get the stones all the way back to the house. Don't go thinking that I believe anything ghostly came of the moving of the headstones, or that I think it's connected to the book worm thing. But years later, a town paper reporter/historian guy came to our house asking to see the woods next door, because an issue had arisen involving a developer who had bought the property and wanted to put houses up where the woods are. Since town records indicated graves in the woods, the development could not take place for fear of disturbing them, unless they could be located. I volunteered to lead the historian through the woods, but we weren't able to find the stones nor the graves. That was probably a good thing, because the inability to locate the graves meant that the developer schmuck could not thorougly destroy all the woods that were there -- he had to give a wide buffer to the suspected site of the graves. So the story about "The Omen" being the only book on our shelves that had been eaten at by worms is my only creepy story. I'm pretty sure that when my parents sold the house in 2000, I threw it out when we were packing stuff up. I sure didn't want it. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlailingJohn 0 #99 August 24, 2004 Basically I posted the links for amusement. I agree The warrens site is silly and the writing is awful. When I first read it, I had to force myself to read through it. ***Why on earth is there no mention of attempts to destroy it?*** who knows, why they didn't destroy it. They might be afraid that if they throw it in a fire. it will escape the fire run and have a burning doll run through their house just kidding. In away it compares to the other story on this thread "why not kill the vampire instead of sending them to the new world" I threw my confidence out the airplane door years ago......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #100 August 24, 2004 QuoteBasically I posted the links for amusement. I agree The warrens site is silly and the writing is awful. When I first read it, I had to force myself to read through it. Ah. Okay, thanks. Yeah, I forgot to mention how amateurish the technical skills of the writers of that site are. It's like it was written by a high-schooler. (And before anyone starts on me, I already know that I didn't do a great job on my Omen/bookshelf story either. I was in a rush and I'm tired.) --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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WrongWay 0 #85 August 18, 2004 Quote Um, not if there was a requirement that they bring along their own COFFINS because the risk of a murderous death was so high, no. And this was per your story... - You're right, but surely they wouldn't tell them the real reason, right? (Hell, even today they wouldn't give a true reason) I wonder what they actually told them..... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #86 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the film Then you need to go rent it right fucking meow! Blue skies, - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! A SuperTroopers reference...Ok, you're acceptable.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #87 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote "I find your lack of faith disturbing..." To each his own. But if Princeton has PEAR, Stanford has SRI, and Duke Uni had the Rhine Institute they're curious about something. Not to mention that many Professors from world class colleges are memeber of the Society for Scientific Exploration. Then again what do a bunch of Phds know. Umm... All these big brains involved in the search for the paranormal. You use them as evidence for the existence of the paranormal. Why don't any of them have anything definitively, objectively proving the existence of ghosts, spirits, vampires, bigfoot, aliens, or any other heebie-jeebie? Why has no one claimed James Randi's offer of $1,000,000 if he can't disprove their claim of psychic powers? In my view, it's all bullshit until someone PROVES it. No one has. - I didn't use them as evidance. Read some of the Society for Scientific Exploration papers. Yeah some are far fetched, while others are intresting. Still why are some of the brightest minds in the world curious about certain things that cannot be explained. It's all about keeping an open mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpergirl 0 #88 August 18, 2004 A few weeks ago we lost our remote control. We turned our trailer upside down looking for it. We looking in the cabiniets, the fridge, the freezer, the bathroom, everywhere and could not find it. We looked for over an hour! Travis left to go to the store for something so I was home alone. I sat at my computer desk, put my head down on the desk (like you do in school) and began to meditate. I have never meditated before, so this was new to me. I tried to clear my mind and imagine myself on a beach, a peaceful place. I didn't "see" a beach in my mind but instead I was looking out at the most beautiful mountains I have ever seen. White capped, tall, clouds around the top, the works. So I started asking, "Where is the remote? What happened to it? Someone please tell me where it is." Suddenly I saw it sitting on the side of a mountain. Then I was "told" that it was between the wall and my computer tower (which sits on the floor). Well, there is no room for it to be there since the tower sits against the wall. I happened to look up a little and sitting about 6" about the top of the tower was our remote control, stuck in the mini-blinds that cover that window. It was sitting at an angle just like I had seen it sitting on the side of the mountain. I don't care what other people say or think, but someone, somewhere, told me where to look for that thing! I would have NEVER thought to look in the blinds. All I can guess is that it got pushed off of the desk and landed in the blinds and we weren't paying attention when it happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #89 August 18, 2004 LOL, very funny picturing someone meditating about a tv remote. I bet the 'spirits' were highly amused too. "Great spirits of old! I beg your suffrance! Please listen to my humble entreaty! Where is the chocolate cookie? What happened to it? Please help me find it!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #90 August 18, 2004 QuoteLOL, very funny picturing someone meditating about a tv remote. I bet the 'spirits' were highly amused too. "Great spirits of old! I beg your suffrance! Please listen to my humble entreaty! Where is the chocolate cookie? What happened to it? Please help me find it!" "And if you don't help me find my choclate right freakin' now, I swear I'm gonna..." Oh, my bad. I was thinkin' this is 'what you do when you have PMS' thread! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hipwrddude 0 #91 August 24, 2004 Metalslug was on the mark with the research on paranormal observations occurring during states of less then alert, consciousness. It's the rapid descent into REM sleep (rapid eye movement,) the state at which the body actually receives resuscitative sleep (or, your most restful sleep.) Sleep is the state at which we unleash our subconscious. During that descent we are extremely susceptible to misinterpreting perceptions from the dream state as perceptions from a conscious state. What's interesting, is the findings of a professor from, I believe, the University of Toronto. He took sensory deprived subjects (sense of smell, sight & hearing capped,) placed an electrode cap on their heads, and ran a small electrical charge through it around their heads. Suddenly, the subjects began feeling the presence of people moving around them. One of my former professors at Temple University, Dr. Jacobs, teaches the only accredited UFO course in the country. You can find him by doing a Google search too. Anyway, to him, UFO abduction phenomen is real and he's authored several books on the subject. What's interesting to note is that there is a cultural desire to want to believe in these things that stretches back to creatures under the bridges in Europe B.C. (and older.) When something carried in the media (cigar shaped objects in the sky, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, ET, etc.) reports from the public corroborating a similar experience emerge too. For me, the experiences of two friends stand out. One, from Kentucky, was a teenager with a buddy out hunting when nightfall came. As they made their way back home, a noise crashed through the still night air. They froze. And listened. In the trees high up on the mountain, something dark was jumping from tree to tree. It was so heavy, the trunks of the trees let out loud cracking sounds. My friend and his buddy were so terrified they hauled ass down the mountain. His father thought it was a mountain lion, but they both shook their heads; it was much bigger. When he got done telling me and a roomful of sober Marines at Camp Fuji, Japan, he had to wipe the tears from his eyes. The second story I'll keep short. A well-known friend of mine experienced what many so-called "alien abductees" refer to as "missing time." For him, it occurred on a beach. I can't go into the details but I'll say this, I was talking about UFO phenomen for about an hour with friends when he opened up about it. Only his wife knew about his experience. The other family members present had no idea. His account was corroborated. At the end of his story he literally started to tremble. He never responded to my emails of UFO images I thought reflected what he described. For him, it was a terrifying experience that he, fortunately, couldn't remember fully, and never wanted to be reminded of, ever. You're always the starter in your own life! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #92 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the film Then you need to go rent it right fucking meow! Blue skies, - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! A SuperTroopers reference...Ok, you're acceptable. I aim to please. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #93 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou use them as evidence for the existence of the paranormal. Why don't any of them have anything definitively, objectively proving the existence of ghosts, spirits, vampires, bigfoot, aliens, or any other heebie-jeebie? Why has no one claimed James Randi's offer of $1,000,000 if he can't disprove their claim of psychic powers? In my view, it's all bullshit until someone PROVES it. No one has. - I didn't use them as evidance. Read some of the Society for Scientific Exploration papers. Yeah some are far fetched, while others are intresting. Still why are some of the brightest minds in the world curious about certain things that cannot be explained. It's all about keeping an open mind. So some of the brightest minds in the world are curious about "the unexplained." That doesn't mean that the things they can't explain are truly "paranormal," and just because the "brightest minds" are curious about something doesn't mean that the far-out explanations offered by some of the crackpots we hear from are true. There is no incongruity between having bright minds curious about these things and being skeptical about the origins of the strange occurrences. Bright minds being curious about "weird events" is not some sort of evidence, much less proof, that there is legitimacy to the claims of paranormal activity. Bright minds have been known to investigate claims of things and find them false, you know. If I claimed I could foretell lottery numbers two weeks in advance, and the brightest minds got "curious" and investigated my claim, that alone would not give it any more legitimacy than it actually merits -- which of course would be none. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlailingJohn 0 #94 August 24, 2004 WE live in a weird world www.forteantimes.com The second link is a infamous story on the "warrens" raggety anne doll that was possed by a demon and is locked in a case to this day. http://www.warrens.net/annabell.htmI threw my confidence out the airplane door years ago......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbarry 0 #95 August 24, 2004 QuoteA common pattern of many "paranormal sightings" involve witnesses that are tired, fatigued... Didn't know that. Could help explain my experience (details in a post far above). As a young infantry officer back then, I wasn't known to get a whole lot of sleep for weeks on end. I can't say for sure it wasn't a hallucination of some sort. But if it was, it was a really f'n good one. I'm cool with finding anything that might help explain it, because it's bothered me on and off since. Almost anytime I'm alone in the outdoors, I remember it like it was yesterday. No way I can concede to people like PJ that my story is bullshit, cuz it's not. The shit really happened. (What the hell do I have to gain by lying about it to people I've never met on a discussion forum?) But then I can't blame anyone for thinking it's bullshit, because there's not much logic to it. Shoot, even if someone told me that story, I'd probably more likely believe a far-fetched rational explanation over a first-hand paranormal one. Nothing like that ever happened to me before or since, and I've never done drugs. It lasted a good long time (around 10 sec.) and it was loud. First I was walking, then during the event I was moving quite a bit trying to defend myself from this angry animal. If my brain was kicking in some sleep level, it certainly took a long time to shake it. If it's not evidence of the paranormal, then it's evidence that the brain is an incredible machine, and crappy to admit that my own senses can't always be trusted, which would suck, since I kinda like to count on them. Whether it happened or not (and I kinda wish I could find a way to conclude it hadn't) it was the freakiest sh*t I ever saw in my life, and that's what ACME asked to hear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #96 August 24, 2004 That Warrens site is just silly. A lot of the alleged actions taken by the people involved in these "hauntings" are totally irrational. Like those people keeping the creepy doll, or even the Warrens keeping the creepy doll. Why on earth is there no mention of attempts to destroy it? I thought fire is like the "universal purifier," but no one tried to burn the doll? It's kept in some CASE now? I thought it TELEPORTS! Ohhh, is it a "magic, blessed" case?? If a doll could make a car stall in order to cause the power steering and brakes to lose power, in an effort to harm the car's occupants, couldn't it just jerk the steering wheel at a bad moment and cause the car to hit head-on traffic? Duh. These are creepy ghost stories, sure, but anyone can post a story. Proving it's real is a different thing altogether. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #97 August 24, 2004 QuoteNo way I can concede to people like PJ that my story is bullshit, cuz it's not. The shit really happened. (What the hell do I have to gain by lying about it to people I've never met on a discussion forum?) Um, some people like the effect of telling stories that get a rise out of others. This is inconceivable? It is exactly what I remind myself of when people tell stories that are incredible and insist they are true. That's the whole nature of hoaxes. Have you never read books on the allegations of paranormal activity that have been debunked thoroughly, and how they were debunked? Check out the Time Life series on the unexplained. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #98 August 24, 2004 Okay, my turn. I can't believe I didn't remember this until just now -- remembering it gave me a creepy chill. I don't claim that this is paranormal, it's just weird and spooky. I grew up in a house in Smithtown, Long Island. The house was built in 1971 shortly before we moved in, and then I was born in September that year. Our family always had a collection, ever-growing, of books, both paperback and hardcover. Time came when we must have had oh, a rough guesstimate, two to five hundred books. My dad, my brother and I built some rough, unfinished bookshelves out of pine in the basement, which was also only semi-finished. We used it for laundry, the spare gas range, the big freezer, and half of it was a bedroom for my brother after college for a while. A few of the books we put on those shelves kinda creeped me out. One was called "The Cats," which was about some plague that makes the cats of England go nuts and kill people all over the place. Another was "The Exorcist," which had some creepy photo on the cover, I think it was of the girl making a scary face close-up to the camera. The other was "The Omen," the original, and on the cover was a drawing of little boy Damien standing there backlit and in shadow. One time I was down there looking through the books, I guess as a teenager. I took "The Omen" down off the shelf and flipped through it -- not reading it, because I didn't want to get creeped-out by reading a scary passage inadvertently. But I did examine the pages, and, here is the part that still weirds me out and I can't explain -- this book, the only one out of hundreds was worm-eaten!. There were holes through the paper as though maggots or something had been boring through it. I did not see any worms themselves, live or dead, but the holes were pretty unmistakeable. We never had any kind of suspected spiritual infestations in that house. It wasn't particularly old, and only one family had lived in it before we moved in, briefly, and we were never aware of any tragedy surrounding them, although I'm still curious about why they moved out of a brand-new house after only a few months. One time, my sisters, who shared a bedroom, said that late at night, a bunch of stuff shook in their room. I don't know if I was in the house at the time it was said to have happened, but I don't recall such shaking. When my brother was a teenager, he and his friends used to go into the woods on the south side of the house to play with BB guns and stuff. Up until about 10 years ago, there was an old house on the property next door, and it had been built in the 1800s as a farmhouse. The area around us had been farmland, apparently. Well, Smithtown historical records indicate that the graves of the farmer and his wife (name not known to me) are in those woods somewhere. My brother and a friend of his had found the headstones during those early years there, in the '70s, and -- get this -- tried to lure ghosts back to our house by taking the headstones with them! (I guess they were small or flimsy stones. My brother told me about this, but said that carrying the stones was hard work, so they gave up the effort, and they had not been able to get the stones all the way back to the house. Don't go thinking that I believe anything ghostly came of the moving of the headstones, or that I think it's connected to the book worm thing. But years later, a town paper reporter/historian guy came to our house asking to see the woods next door, because an issue had arisen involving a developer who had bought the property and wanted to put houses up where the woods are. Since town records indicated graves in the woods, the development could not take place for fear of disturbing them, unless they could be located. I volunteered to lead the historian through the woods, but we weren't able to find the stones nor the graves. That was probably a good thing, because the inability to locate the graves meant that the developer schmuck could not thorougly destroy all the woods that were there -- he had to give a wide buffer to the suspected site of the graves. So the story about "The Omen" being the only book on our shelves that had been eaten at by worms is my only creepy story. I'm pretty sure that when my parents sold the house in 2000, I threw it out when we were packing stuff up. I sure didn't want it. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlailingJohn 0 #99 August 24, 2004 Basically I posted the links for amusement. I agree The warrens site is silly and the writing is awful. When I first read it, I had to force myself to read through it. ***Why on earth is there no mention of attempts to destroy it?*** who knows, why they didn't destroy it. They might be afraid that if they throw it in a fire. it will escape the fire run and have a burning doll run through their house just kidding. In away it compares to the other story on this thread "why not kill the vampire instead of sending them to the new world" I threw my confidence out the airplane door years ago......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #100 August 24, 2004 QuoteBasically I posted the links for amusement. I agree The warrens site is silly and the writing is awful. When I first read it, I had to force myself to read through it. Ah. Okay, thanks. Yeah, I forgot to mention how amateurish the technical skills of the writers of that site are. It's like it was written by a high-schooler. (And before anyone starts on me, I already know that I didn't do a great job on my Omen/bookshelf story either. I was in a rush and I'm tired.) --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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ACMESkydiver 0 #90 August 18, 2004 QuoteLOL, very funny picturing someone meditating about a tv remote. I bet the 'spirits' were highly amused too. "Great spirits of old! I beg your suffrance! Please listen to my humble entreaty! Where is the chocolate cookie? What happened to it? Please help me find it!" "And if you don't help me find my choclate right freakin' now, I swear I'm gonna..." Oh, my bad. I was thinkin' this is 'what you do when you have PMS' thread! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hipwrddude 0 #91 August 24, 2004 Metalslug was on the mark with the research on paranormal observations occurring during states of less then alert, consciousness. It's the rapid descent into REM sleep (rapid eye movement,) the state at which the body actually receives resuscitative sleep (or, your most restful sleep.) Sleep is the state at which we unleash our subconscious. During that descent we are extremely susceptible to misinterpreting perceptions from the dream state as perceptions from a conscious state. What's interesting, is the findings of a professor from, I believe, the University of Toronto. He took sensory deprived subjects (sense of smell, sight & hearing capped,) placed an electrode cap on their heads, and ran a small electrical charge through it around their heads. Suddenly, the subjects began feeling the presence of people moving around them. One of my former professors at Temple University, Dr. Jacobs, teaches the only accredited UFO course in the country. You can find him by doing a Google search too. Anyway, to him, UFO abduction phenomen is real and he's authored several books on the subject. What's interesting to note is that there is a cultural desire to want to believe in these things that stretches back to creatures under the bridges in Europe B.C. (and older.) When something carried in the media (cigar shaped objects in the sky, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, ET, etc.) reports from the public corroborating a similar experience emerge too. For me, the experiences of two friends stand out. One, from Kentucky, was a teenager with a buddy out hunting when nightfall came. As they made their way back home, a noise crashed through the still night air. They froze. And listened. In the trees high up on the mountain, something dark was jumping from tree to tree. It was so heavy, the trunks of the trees let out loud cracking sounds. My friend and his buddy were so terrified they hauled ass down the mountain. His father thought it was a mountain lion, but they both shook their heads; it was much bigger. When he got done telling me and a roomful of sober Marines at Camp Fuji, Japan, he had to wipe the tears from his eyes. The second story I'll keep short. A well-known friend of mine experienced what many so-called "alien abductees" refer to as "missing time." For him, it occurred on a beach. I can't go into the details but I'll say this, I was talking about UFO phenomen for about an hour with friends when he opened up about it. Only his wife knew about his experience. The other family members present had no idea. His account was corroborated. At the end of his story he literally started to tremble. He never responded to my emails of UFO images I thought reflected what he described. For him, it was a terrifying experience that he, fortunately, couldn't remember fully, and never wanted to be reminded of, ever. You're always the starter in your own life! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #92 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI was born HOT baby [SuperTroopersRamathornVoice]"Mother...of...God..." [/SuperTroopersRamathornVoice] That reference is lost on me, I've never seen the film Then you need to go rent it right fucking meow! Blue skies, - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! A SuperTroopers reference...Ok, you're acceptable. I aim to please. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #93 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou use them as evidence for the existence of the paranormal. Why don't any of them have anything definitively, objectively proving the existence of ghosts, spirits, vampires, bigfoot, aliens, or any other heebie-jeebie? Why has no one claimed James Randi's offer of $1,000,000 if he can't disprove their claim of psychic powers? In my view, it's all bullshit until someone PROVES it. No one has. - I didn't use them as evidance. Read some of the Society for Scientific Exploration papers. Yeah some are far fetched, while others are intresting. Still why are some of the brightest minds in the world curious about certain things that cannot be explained. It's all about keeping an open mind. So some of the brightest minds in the world are curious about "the unexplained." That doesn't mean that the things they can't explain are truly "paranormal," and just because the "brightest minds" are curious about something doesn't mean that the far-out explanations offered by some of the crackpots we hear from are true. There is no incongruity between having bright minds curious about these things and being skeptical about the origins of the strange occurrences. Bright minds being curious about "weird events" is not some sort of evidence, much less proof, that there is legitimacy to the claims of paranormal activity. Bright minds have been known to investigate claims of things and find them false, you know. If I claimed I could foretell lottery numbers two weeks in advance, and the brightest minds got "curious" and investigated my claim, that alone would not give it any more legitimacy than it actually merits -- which of course would be none. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlailingJohn 0 #94 August 24, 2004 WE live in a weird world www.forteantimes.com The second link is a infamous story on the "warrens" raggety anne doll that was possed by a demon and is locked in a case to this day. http://www.warrens.net/annabell.htmI threw my confidence out the airplane door years ago......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #95 August 24, 2004 QuoteA common pattern of many "paranormal sightings" involve witnesses that are tired, fatigued... Didn't know that. Could help explain my experience (details in a post far above). As a young infantry officer back then, I wasn't known to get a whole lot of sleep for weeks on end. I can't say for sure it wasn't a hallucination of some sort. But if it was, it was a really f'n good one. I'm cool with finding anything that might help explain it, because it's bothered me on and off since. Almost anytime I'm alone in the outdoors, I remember it like it was yesterday. No way I can concede to people like PJ that my story is bullshit, cuz it's not. The shit really happened. (What the hell do I have to gain by lying about it to people I've never met on a discussion forum?) But then I can't blame anyone for thinking it's bullshit, because there's not much logic to it. Shoot, even if someone told me that story, I'd probably more likely believe a far-fetched rational explanation over a first-hand paranormal one. Nothing like that ever happened to me before or since, and I've never done drugs. It lasted a good long time (around 10 sec.) and it was loud. First I was walking, then during the event I was moving quite a bit trying to defend myself from this angry animal. If my brain was kicking in some sleep level, it certainly took a long time to shake it. If it's not evidence of the paranormal, then it's evidence that the brain is an incredible machine, and crappy to admit that my own senses can't always be trusted, which would suck, since I kinda like to count on them. Whether it happened or not (and I kinda wish I could find a way to conclude it hadn't) it was the freakiest sh*t I ever saw in my life, and that's what ACME asked to hear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #96 August 24, 2004 That Warrens site is just silly. A lot of the alleged actions taken by the people involved in these "hauntings" are totally irrational. Like those people keeping the creepy doll, or even the Warrens keeping the creepy doll. Why on earth is there no mention of attempts to destroy it? I thought fire is like the "universal purifier," but no one tried to burn the doll? It's kept in some CASE now? I thought it TELEPORTS! Ohhh, is it a "magic, blessed" case?? If a doll could make a car stall in order to cause the power steering and brakes to lose power, in an effort to harm the car's occupants, couldn't it just jerk the steering wheel at a bad moment and cause the car to hit head-on traffic? Duh. These are creepy ghost stories, sure, but anyone can post a story. Proving it's real is a different thing altogether. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #97 August 24, 2004 QuoteNo way I can concede to people like PJ that my story is bullshit, cuz it's not. The shit really happened. (What the hell do I have to gain by lying about it to people I've never met on a discussion forum?) Um, some people like the effect of telling stories that get a rise out of others. This is inconceivable? It is exactly what I remind myself of when people tell stories that are incredible and insist they are true. That's the whole nature of hoaxes. Have you never read books on the allegations of paranormal activity that have been debunked thoroughly, and how they were debunked? Check out the Time Life series on the unexplained. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #98 August 24, 2004 Okay, my turn. I can't believe I didn't remember this until just now -- remembering it gave me a creepy chill. I don't claim that this is paranormal, it's just weird and spooky. I grew up in a house in Smithtown, Long Island. The house was built in 1971 shortly before we moved in, and then I was born in September that year. Our family always had a collection, ever-growing, of books, both paperback and hardcover. Time came when we must have had oh, a rough guesstimate, two to five hundred books. My dad, my brother and I built some rough, unfinished bookshelves out of pine in the basement, which was also only semi-finished. We used it for laundry, the spare gas range, the big freezer, and half of it was a bedroom for my brother after college for a while. A few of the books we put on those shelves kinda creeped me out. One was called "The Cats," which was about some plague that makes the cats of England go nuts and kill people all over the place. Another was "The Exorcist," which had some creepy photo on the cover, I think it was of the girl making a scary face close-up to the camera. The other was "The Omen," the original, and on the cover was a drawing of little boy Damien standing there backlit and in shadow. One time I was down there looking through the books, I guess as a teenager. I took "The Omen" down off the shelf and flipped through it -- not reading it, because I didn't want to get creeped-out by reading a scary passage inadvertently. But I did examine the pages, and, here is the part that still weirds me out and I can't explain -- this book, the only one out of hundreds was worm-eaten!. There were holes through the paper as though maggots or something had been boring through it. I did not see any worms themselves, live or dead, but the holes were pretty unmistakeable. We never had any kind of suspected spiritual infestations in that house. It wasn't particularly old, and only one family had lived in it before we moved in, briefly, and we were never aware of any tragedy surrounding them, although I'm still curious about why they moved out of a brand-new house after only a few months. One time, my sisters, who shared a bedroom, said that late at night, a bunch of stuff shook in their room. I don't know if I was in the house at the time it was said to have happened, but I don't recall such shaking. When my brother was a teenager, he and his friends used to go into the woods on the south side of the house to play with BB guns and stuff. Up until about 10 years ago, there was an old house on the property next door, and it had been built in the 1800s as a farmhouse. The area around us had been farmland, apparently. Well, Smithtown historical records indicate that the graves of the farmer and his wife (name not known to me) are in those woods somewhere. My brother and a friend of his had found the headstones during those early years there, in the '70s, and -- get this -- tried to lure ghosts back to our house by taking the headstones with them! (I guess they were small or flimsy stones. My brother told me about this, but said that carrying the stones was hard work, so they gave up the effort, and they had not been able to get the stones all the way back to the house. Don't go thinking that I believe anything ghostly came of the moving of the headstones, or that I think it's connected to the book worm thing. But years later, a town paper reporter/historian guy came to our house asking to see the woods next door, because an issue had arisen involving a developer who had bought the property and wanted to put houses up where the woods are. Since town records indicated graves in the woods, the development could not take place for fear of disturbing them, unless they could be located. I volunteered to lead the historian through the woods, but we weren't able to find the stones nor the graves. That was probably a good thing, because the inability to locate the graves meant that the developer schmuck could not thorougly destroy all the woods that were there -- he had to give a wide buffer to the suspected site of the graves. So the story about "The Omen" being the only book on our shelves that had been eaten at by worms is my only creepy story. I'm pretty sure that when my parents sold the house in 2000, I threw it out when we were packing stuff up. I sure didn't want it. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlailingJohn 0 #99 August 24, 2004 Basically I posted the links for amusement. I agree The warrens site is silly and the writing is awful. When I first read it, I had to force myself to read through it. ***Why on earth is there no mention of attempts to destroy it?*** who knows, why they didn't destroy it. They might be afraid that if they throw it in a fire. it will escape the fire run and have a burning doll run through their house just kidding. In away it compares to the other story on this thread "why not kill the vampire instead of sending them to the new world" I threw my confidence out the airplane door years ago......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #100 August 24, 2004 QuoteBasically I posted the links for amusement. I agree The warrens site is silly and the writing is awful. When I first read it, I had to force myself to read through it. Ah. Okay, thanks. Yeah, I forgot to mention how amateurish the technical skills of the writers of that site are. It's like it was written by a high-schooler. (And before anyone starts on me, I already know that I didn't do a great job on my Omen/bookshelf story either. I was in a rush and I'm tired.) --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
