FreeflyDom 0 #1 January 10, 2010 Hello, On a PD Spectre what are your thoughts and whats the average foot snivel. Is it a good first canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydude2000 3 #2 January 10, 2010 Hi there, I bought a used Spectre 170 loaded just under 1.1 to 1 for my first canopy. Put 60 jumps on it last summer. Really like it. I used to jump a worn out rental Sabre 190, and this canopy doesn't destroy my back. I was afraid of the slow openings at first, because I was so used to rolling the nose on a Sabre, before I realized I didn't need to do it on my Spectre. Can't think of a single hard opening so far *knocks on skull* If you know how to fly it, it can still get you back from just about anywhere. Can't say how long the snivel is, maybe 3-500 feet. I just know it's butter soft PULL!! or DIE!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinjin 0 #3 January 10, 2010 spectres are great first canopies. they open soft and on heading even with not much attention in packing. they fly conservative at lower student wingloadings.they have a good flare even on older used models. they have saved my butt on mistakes even at higher loading where a more aggresive canopy would have put me in a cast. pilots and spectres are great begginer and camera specific canopies. talk to your instructors and enjoy.dont let life pass you by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balu 1 #4 January 10, 2010 I started on a Cayenne, and after 100 jumps moved on to a Spectre. I should have started with it. Great openings, great flare, docile flying characteristics but also fun to turn on the front risers. And very suitable to camera and Birdman-jumps. With a Spectre you will do nothing wrong. About the size talk to your instructor.1300 Sprünge, 100er Wingsuit Formation, viele nette Menschen kennengelernt, keine Unfälle. Schön war's! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #5 January 10, 2010 Here is a 150 loaded at 1.3. Opening sequence starts at 1:04 and it is inflated @ 1:08. Propacked,nose hanging, about seven tail wraps and new lines with about 30 jumps. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmkZlPjs1W4Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amstalder 0 #6 January 10, 2010 I have a Spectre150 loaded at 0.8:1. I absolutely love it. I pack it now so that it snivels for 300-500 ft, but I have had snivels for as long as 1000ft. One of the jumpers at my dz has almost 1000 jumps on his Spectre and swears he'll never jump another canopy. He also told me that of those jumps, he's had maybe 5 hard openings. And of the 40 jumps I've put on mine, Ive always had absolutely glorious openings. The only thing I dont like is I cant get back from a long spot or jump in high winds, but a lot of that has to do with my wingloading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLIDEANGLE 1 #7 January 10, 2010 I love my Spectre @ 1.2:1! Positives • Soft openings (leaving nose hanging free when PRO packing over the shoulder) • Docile behavior- it behaves well when I don't • I can easily do informal CReW with it. • Floats nearly forever in deep brakes • Hard to accidently stall with toggles (@ factory brake settings). When I want a toggle stall…behaves well (no line twists). Negatives • Because I am a dummy, it took me a long time to learn to stand up my landigs with this canopy. Historically, folks have noted that all 7 cell canopies require more skill to flare well. • Unlike others in this thread, I usually have >1000 foot openings. Thus, sometimes I land out simply because my canopy puts me in the saddle lower than other folks.The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voilsb 1 #8 January 10, 2010 There's a couple of you who report 3-500 ft openings on a spectre. How do you pack it to open that quick? I've *tried* to get my canopies (Sabre2 and Triathlon) to open that quickly, and haven't been able to. I can sometimes get my tri to open in 600 feet, but usually it's around 800 ft. My sabre2 used to take about 1000ft to open, when i was trying to get it to open quickly. Also, since the spectre is known for slow, snively openings, and both my canopies are known for speedier ones, I'd love to learn your tricks to speed it up. I'm tired of spending (nearly) a thousand feet of a skydive lost in between freefall and canopy flightBrian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #9 January 10, 2010 QuoteThe only thing I dont like is I cant get back from a long spot Sure ya can. Have you flown it in deep brakes yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amstalder 0 #10 January 10, 2010 Quote Quote The only thing I dont like is I cant get back from a long spot Sure ya can. Have you flown it in deep brakes yet? Honestly, I havent... I'll have to try that next time Im on first load. Thanks for the tip Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amstalder 0 #11 January 10, 2010 QuoteHow do you pack it to open that quick? I don't roll the nose of my canopy and I barely tuck it inside. and then when I bring the tail around and wrap the seams together, I only roll it once or twice, just enough to hold it together when I set it down. Those were the things recommended to me by my dz's packers when I first got the canopy and it was taking 1000 ft to open (which really scared me bc I was in the saddle so low). I hope that makes sense, I am really terrible at trying to explain these things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #12 January 10, 2010 QuoteI'll have to try that next time Im on first load. Why can't you fly in deep brakes on any load? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amstalder 0 #13 January 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'll have to try that next time Im on first load. Why can't you fly in deep brakes on any load? This is a very good point... I was just thinking about the loads where I land out, and it's always been first load. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLIDEANGLE 1 #14 January 10, 2010 QuoteI was just thinking about the loads where I land out, and it's always been first load. There is a reason that at my DZ we call the first load the "wind dummy load".The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roostnureye 2 #15 January 10, 2010 QuoteI started on a Cayenne, and after 100 jumps moved on to a Spectre. I should have started with it. Great openings, great flare, docile flying characteristics but also fun to turn on the front risers. And very suitable to camera and Birdman-jumps. With a Spectre you will do nothing wrong. About the size talk to your instructor. i strongly disagree with this statement! you can get yourself into trouble under any canopy, some faster than others. i own a spectre loaded at 1.1/1 and get sub 500' openings all the time, i roll the nose too, just split the nose roll it half to the right half to the left, when you close the tail dont go crazy rolling it up. i also noticed if i give it a "w" fold compared to an "s" fold when putting it into the bag it opens faster. btw i trash pack it every timeFlock University FWC / ZFlock B.A.S.E. 1580 Aussie BASE 121 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mozencrath 0 #16 January 11, 2010 I found I got around a 500-800 ft opening on my Spectre. They were pretty much all on heading and sniveled long enough....If you pack it right, it will open good every time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackfox 0 #17 December 28, 2010 When I flew a Spectre a few years ago, it seemed that if I tucked my legs up and flared right above the ground, I could get kinda a small swoop several feet across the ground, that ended in a small pickup at the end of the flare, that was incredibly fun. Has anyone else experienced similar landing characteristics? Is this typical of a 7 cell low powered flare? Why would someone want more flare which results in a boring tiptoe landing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #18 December 28, 2010 QuoteWhen I flew a Spectre a few years ago, it seemed that if I tucked my legs up and flared right above the ground, I could get kinda a small swoop several feet across the ground, that ended in a small pickup at the end of the flare, that was incredibly fun. Has anyone else experienced similar landing characteristics? Is this typical of a 7 cell low powered flare? Why would someone want more flare which results in a boring tiptoe landing? I have about 300 jumps on both the larger spectres, a 210 & 230. They do snivel but thats why I got them (soft openings). I'm under canopy within 500 ft and the best way to land these is to slow down the forward speed with brakes prior to the flair. I can land it in 0 wind with maybe 2 steps; you do have to practice the timing though, but its a real forgiving chute. I did have very hard opening which injured me, but I attribute this to either an out-of-sequence opening from a pack job or a slider that wasn't seated (I use packers). Since I can't afford to get whacked again, I relined with Dacron.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #19 December 28, 2010 Quote I did have very hard opening which injured me, but I attribute this to either an out-of-sequence opening from a pack job or a slider that wasn't seated (I use packers). Since I can't afford to get whacked again, I relined with Dacron. Well at least now you're safeBASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #20 December 28, 2010 QuoteWhen I flew a Spectre a few years ago, it seemed that if I tucked my legs up and flared right above the ground, I could get kinda a small swoop several feet across the ground, that ended in a small pickup at the end of the flare, that was incredibly fun. Has anyone else experienced similar landing characteristics? Is this typical of a 7 cell low powered flare? Why would someone want more flare which results in a boring tiptoe landing? Ask Tony Hathaway...he can swoop the sh** out of a Spectre. Just about any canopy can be swooped to a degree, given enough power/speed. Some just much farther than others. Soft tiptoe landings are just as much fun as planed out landings, especially for demos, accuracy, tight areas, older jumpers, people with foot/leg/knee problems, and myriad other reasons. That's why there are so many canopy choices, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackfox 0 #21 December 30, 2010 I wonder if flying a 7 cell, like a Spectre hurts your future canopy pilot skill progression? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
julio_gyn 0 #22 December 30, 2010 QuoteI wonder if flying a 7 cell, like a Spectre hurts your future canopy pilot skill progression? If you fly a 7 cell will give you a chance to build skills, I don't see any progress when I don't like to do something. first you have to enjoy and decide what is the best path suitable for you...Julio Cesar blue skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #23 December 30, 2010 Doesn't seem to have worried Bruno Brokken -- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #24 December 30, 2010 Quote I wonder if flying a 7 cell, like a Spectre hurts your future canopy pilot skill progression? Where does one go after a Velocity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #25 December 31, 2010 Quote Quote I wonder if flying a 7 cell, like a Spectre hurts your future canopy pilot skill progression? Where does one go after a Velocity? Swift 5-cell. "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
