Casurf1978 0 #51 August 11, 2004 QuoteQuoteNow, I stictly buy only fish (from the ocean, not farmed) Umm....why? Farmed fish aren't treated harshly as farmed mammals are. And ocean fishing leads to pollution, changes in eco-systems and the threat of extinction of species. Fish farming is a huge benefit to the environment. Not really Philly. Read the ecological threat section: http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2003/october1/salmon-101.html Not only that but farm salmon have extremly high levels of heavy metals and toxins. Not to mention that they have to feed them colored food to estbalsih that pink color otherwise they would be a dull grey. Also farmed salmon have at least half of the Omega fatty acids that wild salmon have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #52 August 11, 2004 life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on.... No. I'm on the "Angus diet" i eat whatever i wish to..... how you feel is a direct result of the quality of the food you eat.... if you are picky about your meats and dairy products you will have as much (if not more as meat is an easier, better source of basic proteins than the variety of vegetables you have to consume for the same nourishment) energy as anyone else who pays attention to their food sources. people seem to think that becoming a vegetarian automatically means you eat/live a more healthy lifestyle... meat eaters can live an equally healthy lifestyle.. if it makes you feel better to consume life that you don’t personify (ie has a face) and therefore empathize with less, that is well and good, but i have little use for those who condemn anyone else for their food choices...because you empathize more strongly with those lower on the food chain does not mean you are ‘more advanced or more enlightened’ I’ll leave you with a little quote from the Rev Maynard... QuoteAnd the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lostinspace 0 #53 August 11, 2004 Boys and girls, you are what you eat. Vegetarians taste better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #54 August 11, 2004 Hmmm...interesting. I didn't know they could escape to the ocean. All I know is that there's a voluntary boycott of Chilean Sea Bass and a couple other species in a lot of restaurants around here because they are over fished. I figured farming them instead would protect the wild species. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #55 August 11, 2004 Quoteand why are you one or the other? I love most meats. Antelope, aligator, beef, bison, boar, capon, catfish, chicken, clam, conch, crab, duck, elk, grouper, halibut, jack, kangaroo, lobster, mussel, ostrich, oyster, pheasant, pork, quail, rabbit, salmon, shrimp, snail, snapper, turkey, tuna, venison. Baked, braised, broiled, BBQ'd, fried, roasted, or raw. I love steak tartare, sushi, oysters on the half shell, carpacio, and ceviche. My mouth waters just thinking about it. I dislike most vegetables and many fruits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #56 August 11, 2004 QuoteQuoteand why are you one or the other? I love most meats. Antelope, aligator, beef, bison, boar, capon, catfish, chicken, clam, conch, crab, duck, elk, jack, kangaroo, lobster, mussel, ostrich, oyster, pheasant, pork, quail, rabbit, salmon, shrimp, snail, snapper, turkey, tuna, venison. Baked, braised, broiled, BBQ'd, fried, or roasted. When I see raw meat I think about eating it - my favorite foods are sushi and steak tartare. Carpachio and ceviche are nice too. I dislike most vegetables and many fruits. I agree 100% ...... well 90% Yves ( Who likes all vegetables and fruits ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #57 August 11, 2004 Quote Fish farming is a huge benefit to the environment. LOL. Uhhhh, no. Not even close. Try again. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #58 August 11, 2004 QuoteQuote Fish farming is a huge benefit to the environment. LOL. Uhhhh, no. Not even close. Try again. It can in fact be very destructive to the environment. To make shrimp farms they destroy mangroves. You've traded one disaster (90% bycatch) for another. Not all farms require that transformation, but you get the other tradeoffs, largely driven by the scale of fish needed to make the dollars work. I think the cloners need to hurry up and figure out how to jumpstart the tuna stock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #59 August 11, 2004 QuoteI went vegan for month once in college. It almost killed me. Never again. I hope you at least scored with the chick for your trouble! Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canopycandy 0 #60 August 11, 2004 Right now I'm a raw foodist. I eat only raw fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and seaweed. I've been doing this for four months now. Prior to this, I was a vegetarian for a long time and an on-and-off vegan. But some raw foodists eat raw/unpasturized cheese. (A very small minority eat raw meat for reasons I still don't understand. Yuck.) I don't know if I can eat 100 percent raw for the rest of my life, and I don't know if I want to. This is a personal decision I made for my health and well-being, but it's not about denial whatsoever. So I'll probably end up eating bites of cooked food here and there or a cooked meal every month or so. (But even then, I'll probably keep it vegan.) I find that my body thrives on this way of eating. My digestion is incredible. My cheeks are rosy all the time without any makeup. I have more energy and I need less sleep. In many ways, I think I've even become a nicer, more thoughful person. The diet is tough to maintain at DZ, however. I have to bring my own stash of produce and lots of tupperware filled with raw gourmet (yes, there is such a thing!) meals. Some of the foods seem strange or odd at first, but a lot of people at the DZ have sampled some of it and really like it. In fact, one of the biggest problems I have now is that so many people want to eat my food! There are drawbacks to raw foodism. It can get expensive, especially since I try to stay with organic produce. Preparing food can get to be time-consuming and labor-intensive. And sometimes I hate the fact that I can't be like everyone else and run through a drive-through for something convenient. But I feel incredible. I really feel like I'm living compassionately in regards to the environment. And, as I carefully plan my meals, I truly believe that I'm doing what's best for my health -- that I'm extending and improving the quality of my life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cajundude 0 #61 August 11, 2004 QuoteRight now I'm a raw foodist. I eat only raw fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and seaweed. I've been doing this for four months now. Prior to this, I was a vegetarian for a long time and an on-and-off vegan. But some raw foodists eat raw/unpasturized cheese. (A very small minority eat raw meat for reasons I still don't understand. Yuck.) I don't know if I can eat 100 percent raw for the rest of my life, and I don't know if I want to. This is a personal decision I made for my health and well-being, but it's not about denial whatsoever. So I'll probably end up eating bites of cooked food here and there or a cooked meal every month or so. (But even then, I'll probably keep it vegan.) I find that my body thrives on this way of eating. My digestion is incredible. My cheeks are rosy all the time without any makeup. I have more energy and I need less sleep. In many ways, I think I've even become a nicer, more thoughful person. The diet is tough to maintain at DZ, however. I have to bring my own stash of produce and lots of tupperware filled with raw gourmet (yes, there is such a thing!) meals. Some of the foods seem strange or odd at first, but a lot of people at the DZ have sampled some of it and really like it. In fact, one of the biggest problems I have now is that so many people want to eat my food! There are drawbacks to raw foodism. It can get expensive, especially since I try to stay with organic produce. Preparing food can get to be time-consuming and labor-intensive. And sometimes I hate the fact that I can't be like everyone else and run through a drive-through for something convenient. But I fell incredible. I really feel like I'm living compassionately in regards to the environment. And, as I carefully plan my meals, I truly believe that I'm doing what's best for my health -- that I'm extending and improving the quality of my life. WTF? Why do it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpervint 0 #62 August 11, 2004 Read her last paragraph. It works for her. That's why she does it. QuoteQuote But I fell (sic) incredible. I really feel like I'm living compassionately in regards to the environment. And, as I carefully plan my meals, I truly believe that I'm doing what's best for my health -- that I'm extending and improving the quality of my life. WTF? Why do it?. . . . . "Make it hard again." Doc Ed “A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canopycandy 0 #63 August 11, 2004 Quote WTF? Why do it? There are many reasons why. The first is that I started doing research about it, and it really made sense to me. Cooked food is dead. But living foods = life. Like, if you take a plate of cooked food and bury it in the ground, it will ferment and rot. But if you bury a plate of raw foods, things will sprout and grow -- there's a lot of potential for life there. The same thing happens in your body. When you start to think about what food is supposed to be -- that every bite should add to a person's strength, energy and beauty -- it seems incredibly smart to go for the purest form of nourishment. It's really simple to me. I believe you get more nutrients from things that are vital and bright and alive rather than foods that are cooked, canned, salted, skinned, diluted, dissected and/or irradiated. There are other things that come into play. I've read a lot about the enzymes in living foods that are necessary for digestion, as well as the cleansing and healing abilities of food in its natural state. I also really like injesting simple plant matter. It makes me feel like I'm not using more than my fair share of the Earth's resources. Plus, I figured there's no harm in trying it for a while anyway. For a long time I was one of those vegetarians that didn't eat any fruits or vegetables. I lived on pasta, chips and salsa, potatoes, rice, etc. Sometimes I had entire days of almost nothing but soy products. I figured doing this would be an improvement over the way I had been eating. And it has been! Another important thing for me is that my dad has heart disease and my mom has Alzheimer's Disease -- and eating better is one of the simplest ways to improve one's health. This is a small sacrifice for me to make if it means I have a chance of staying sane and healthy in my old age. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dippymoo 0 #64 August 11, 2004 Yep, no particular reason just gave iit up after a trip to india where i was given a dead chicken to cut up (who knew it doens't always come in neat little plastic wrapping!) i was 17 impressionable and put off. 8 yrs later i've never had a reason to return it to my diet If i got huge craving i would. In the mean time my poor meat loving husband eats vegetarion and will contine to do so until he starts to do the cooking! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cajundude 0 #65 August 11, 2004 QuoteQuote WTF? Why do it? QuoteLike, if you take a plate of cooked food and bury it in the ground, it will ferment and rot. But if you bury a plate of raw foods, things will sprout and grow -- there's a lot of potential for life there. The same thing happens in your body. I don't need anything sprouting out of my ass or nose! QuoteWhen you start to think about what food is supposed to be -- that every bite should add to a person's strength, energy and beauty -- it seems incredibly smart to go for the purest form of nourishment. I'm just not going to say anything here. QuoteIt's really simple to me. I believe you get more nutrients from things that are vital and bright and alive rather than foods that are cooked, canned, salted, skinned, diluted, dissected and/or irradiated. You may be right but are you going to eat a raw chicken or pork chop? Eat more of the same thing if you want more of the nutrients. Raw food just seems unsafe. QuoteThere are other things that come into play. I've read a lot about the enzymes in living foods that are necessary for digestion, as well as the cleansing and healing abilities of food in its natural state. Stomach acid works just fine. QuoteI also really like injesting simple plant matter. It makes me feel like I'm not using more than my fair share of the Earth's resources. Are the stars in alignment today? QuotePlus, I figured there's no harm in trying it for a while anyway. For a long time I was one of those vegetarians that didn't eat any fruits or vegetables. I lived on pasta, chips and salsa, potatoes, rice, etc. Sometimes I had entire days of almost nothing but soy products. I figured doing this would be an improvement over the way I had been eating. And it has been! I could do this but hell no to the soy! QuoteAnother important thing for me is that my dad has heart disease and my mom has Alzheimer's Disease -- and eating better is one of the simplest ways to improve one's health. This is a small sacrifice for me to make if it means I have a chance of staying sane and healthy in my old age. Now this one makes complete sense. Just having a little fun! To each his/her own! I'm from the South so I will always be a non weird food eater! Well, we do eat some strange shit in the South but its gooood! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #66 August 11, 2004 There's weird food everywhere. Me, I love scrapple with breakfast. I'm sure as hell not eating THAT raw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cajundude 0 #67 August 11, 2004 What's scrapple? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites canopycandy 0 #68 August 11, 2004 What's scrapple? It sounds like it could be related to Snapple, but I'm guessing it's not ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites canopycandy 0 #69 August 11, 2004 Cajundude, It's funny that you mention you're from the south where people eat non-weird food. I was born in Georgia and was raised by a socially conservative father from Indiana and a mother from Germany. So for the first 10 years of my life or so, I was raised on meat, meat, grits, sausage, sauerkraut and more meat! We often had bizarre German foods, like blood sausage, headcheese and liverwurst, right along with greens that were cooked with bacon fat. Maybe that's what made me grow up this way! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cajundude 0 #70 August 11, 2004 QuoteCajundude, It's funny that you mention you're from the south where people eat non-weird food. I was born in Georgia and was raised by a socially conservative father from Indiana and a mother from Germany. So for the first 10 years of my life or so, I was raised on meat, meat, grits, sausage, sauerkraut and more meat! We often had bizarre German foods, like blood sausage, headcheese and liverwurst, right along with greens that were cooked with bacon fat. Maybe that's what made me grow up this way! Now that sounds like dinner! Except for the grits. Everyone in my family eats grits except me. Go figure. I love German food. I take trips to Fredericksburg, Texas sometimes just to get a German fix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #71 August 11, 2004 QuoteWhat's scrapple? It's the scraps (hence the name) of a pig left over after they've made every other conceivable food out of it. Seasoned and mashed into a big cube (ala corn much) then you slice it into 1/4" thick pieces and fry it up. The PA Dutch way to eat it (the right way, that is) is with syrup. Those not in the know put ketchup on it. It's a PA Dutch/Amish/Philly thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites canopycandy 0 #72 August 11, 2004 That sounds kind of like Cincinnati's goetta, a mixture of pork, beef, steel-cut oats and seasoning, packaged into a roll or loaf, then sliced and fried. But I don't think people put syrup on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grega 0 #73 August 12, 2004 No Because i have two sharp teeth in my mouth. and i think those weren't ment to be there to tear veggies apart "George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites linny 1 #74 August 12, 2004 Quote Cooked food is dead. But living foods = life. Like, if you take a plate of cooked food and bury it in the ground, it will ferment and rot. But if you bury a plate of raw foods, things will sprout and grow -- there's a lot of potential for life there. The same thing happens in your body. When you start to think about what food is supposed to be -- that every bite should add to a person's strength, energy and beauty -- it seems incredibly smart to go for the purest form of nourishment. . *** You're awesome! I'd just like to give you props for your life style choices! Isn't it amazing how many people lack awareness of something so simple as their body's fuel. Most people care more about the grade of gas they put in their engine, then the toxins they put in their bodies. Your story is inspiring. I've recently added fish to my diet again as it makes my brain feel a little more sharp.. but in general I eat a pretty sad diet of convenience food. I'm totally aware of it which is the worst part. After hearing your reasoning, I know I'm going to make a change. Thanks!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #75 August 12, 2004 No. I have canines. I'm an ominivore. tIt's the year of the Pig. 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PhillyKev 0 #66 August 11, 2004 There's weird food everywhere. Me, I love scrapple with breakfast. I'm sure as hell not eating THAT raw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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canopycandy 0 #69 August 11, 2004 Cajundude, It's funny that you mention you're from the south where people eat non-weird food. I was born in Georgia and was raised by a socially conservative father from Indiana and a mother from Germany. So for the first 10 years of my life or so, I was raised on meat, meat, grits, sausage, sauerkraut and more meat! We often had bizarre German foods, like blood sausage, headcheese and liverwurst, right along with greens that were cooked with bacon fat. Maybe that's what made me grow up this way! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cajundude 0 #70 August 11, 2004 QuoteCajundude, It's funny that you mention you're from the south where people eat non-weird food. I was born in Georgia and was raised by a socially conservative father from Indiana and a mother from Germany. So for the first 10 years of my life or so, I was raised on meat, meat, grits, sausage, sauerkraut and more meat! We often had bizarre German foods, like blood sausage, headcheese and liverwurst, right along with greens that were cooked with bacon fat. Maybe that's what made me grow up this way! Now that sounds like dinner! Except for the grits. Everyone in my family eats grits except me. Go figure. I love German food. I take trips to Fredericksburg, Texas sometimes just to get a German fix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #71 August 11, 2004 QuoteWhat's scrapple? It's the scraps (hence the name) of a pig left over after they've made every other conceivable food out of it. Seasoned and mashed into a big cube (ala corn much) then you slice it into 1/4" thick pieces and fry it up. The PA Dutch way to eat it (the right way, that is) is with syrup. Those not in the know put ketchup on it. It's a PA Dutch/Amish/Philly thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites canopycandy 0 #72 August 11, 2004 That sounds kind of like Cincinnati's goetta, a mixture of pork, beef, steel-cut oats and seasoning, packaged into a roll or loaf, then sliced and fried. But I don't think people put syrup on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grega 0 #73 August 12, 2004 No Because i have two sharp teeth in my mouth. and i think those weren't ment to be there to tear veggies apart "George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites linny 1 #74 August 12, 2004 Quote Cooked food is dead. But living foods = life. Like, if you take a plate of cooked food and bury it in the ground, it will ferment and rot. But if you bury a plate of raw foods, things will sprout and grow -- there's a lot of potential for life there. The same thing happens in your body. When you start to think about what food is supposed to be -- that every bite should add to a person's strength, energy and beauty -- it seems incredibly smart to go for the purest form of nourishment. . *** You're awesome! I'd just like to give you props for your life style choices! Isn't it amazing how many people lack awareness of something so simple as their body's fuel. Most people care more about the grade of gas they put in their engine, then the toxins they put in their bodies. Your story is inspiring. I've recently added fish to my diet again as it makes my brain feel a little more sharp.. but in general I eat a pretty sad diet of convenience food. I'm totally aware of it which is the worst part. After hearing your reasoning, I know I'm going to make a change. Thanks!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #75 August 12, 2004 No. I have canines. I'm an ominivore. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Cajundude 0 #70 August 11, 2004 QuoteCajundude, It's funny that you mention you're from the south where people eat non-weird food. I was born in Georgia and was raised by a socially conservative father from Indiana and a mother from Germany. So for the first 10 years of my life or so, I was raised on meat, meat, grits, sausage, sauerkraut and more meat! We often had bizarre German foods, like blood sausage, headcheese and liverwurst, right along with greens that were cooked with bacon fat. Maybe that's what made me grow up this way! Now that sounds like dinner! Except for the grits. Everyone in my family eats grits except me. Go figure. I love German food. I take trips to Fredericksburg, Texas sometimes just to get a German fix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #71 August 11, 2004 QuoteWhat's scrapple? It's the scraps (hence the name) of a pig left over after they've made every other conceivable food out of it. Seasoned and mashed into a big cube (ala corn much) then you slice it into 1/4" thick pieces and fry it up. The PA Dutch way to eat it (the right way, that is) is with syrup. Those not in the know put ketchup on it. It's a PA Dutch/Amish/Philly thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canopycandy 0 #72 August 11, 2004 That sounds kind of like Cincinnati's goetta, a mixture of pork, beef, steel-cut oats and seasoning, packaged into a roll or loaf, then sliced and fried. But I don't think people put syrup on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grega 0 #73 August 12, 2004 No Because i have two sharp teeth in my mouth. and i think those weren't ment to be there to tear veggies apart "George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linny 1 #74 August 12, 2004 Quote Cooked food is dead. But living foods = life. Like, if you take a plate of cooked food and bury it in the ground, it will ferment and rot. But if you bury a plate of raw foods, things will sprout and grow -- there's a lot of potential for life there. The same thing happens in your body. When you start to think about what food is supposed to be -- that every bite should add to a person's strength, energy and beauty -- it seems incredibly smart to go for the purest form of nourishment. . *** You're awesome! I'd just like to give you props for your life style choices! Isn't it amazing how many people lack awareness of something so simple as their body's fuel. Most people care more about the grade of gas they put in their engine, then the toxins they put in their bodies. Your story is inspiring. I've recently added fish to my diet again as it makes my brain feel a little more sharp.. but in general I eat a pretty sad diet of convenience food. I'm totally aware of it which is the worst part. After hearing your reasoning, I know I'm going to make a change. Thanks!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #75 August 12, 2004 No. I have canines. I'm an ominivore. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Tonto 1 #75 August 12, 2004 No. I have canines. I'm an ominivore. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
