buff 0 #1 January 20, 2010 About a week ago I received my canopy back from reline from a well respected loft. Last night I went to rig it and noticed that the line from the cat-eye to the toggle was looped and bartacked rather than a free end with a mark or finger trapped and overhand knotted. Is this common? The reline is spectra and so are the steering lines. If I need to adjust my line length, I don't see how I can do it without tearing out the bar tack. I did search for this but didn' t find anything related.It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #2 January 20, 2010 Quote Is this common? Sure. They'll likely be set at the factory setting, which may be ok for you or not, or set at the length of your previous steering lines. Jump the canopy. If you don't like the length, just undo the bartack, adjust (with a knot), when sure, I'd have them bartacked again. Least that's how I always do it I much prefer the bartack over the knot as mine always seems to catch on the guide ring (especially with triple risers this annoyed the heck out of me). But of course a knot works fine for a lot of people too... ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linebckr83 3 #3 January 20, 2010 I'd venture to guess they measured where your toggles from the old line set were at, then made the loop in the same place."Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmless 0 #4 January 20, 2010 I've had the knot catch on the guide ring a few times... first time scared the shit out of me on landing landed on one toggle and one rear "Damn you Gravity, you win again" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #5 January 20, 2010 Quote I've had the knot catch on the guide ring a few times... first time scared the shit out of me on landing landed on one toggle and one rear the solution to that is to make the toggle attachment loop just big enough to fit the toggle through, this way you can hide the knot in the grommet. voila, no problem :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmless 0 #6 January 20, 2010 Yeah, the third time it got caught I did just that... didn't start happening till I started front 90s though."Damn you Gravity, you win again" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buff 0 #7 January 20, 2010 Spectra is not dimensionally stable so there will be shrinkage and the control line adjusteds. I have always used the small knot that fits into the grommet hole in the toggle and 3 different canopies and I've not had it hang up on the ring yet. I would like to hear from some of the riggers (MEL, Gruwell, etc) what they do for a new spectra, microline set. Do you ask the customer what they prefer? Leave it with no loop or only a mark? Knot it and trap it? I'm just a little perterbed that I was not consulted and now I have waxy new lines that I'm going to have to pick machine bartacks out of when it was not necessary in the first place.It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #8 January 21, 2010 Quote I would like to hear from some of the riggers (MEL, Gruwell, etc) what they do for a new spectra, microline set. Do you ask the customer what they prefer? Leave it with no loop or only a mark? Knot it and trap it? Some new linesets/canopies already come fingertrapped/bartacked for the Brake-Toggle from the manufacturer. We leave those as is, unless instructed otherwise. When the Brake-Toggle is a raw end, we fingertrap/bartack at the factory setting unless a knot or different length is requested. I just personally find it a cleaner setup and easier for an equal side-to-side measurement. By the time the steering lines shrink up to an out-of-trim length, they are usually due for a replacement (traditionally). As we find that steering lines need to be replaced every 200-300 jumps. And then a full reline at every 400-600 jumps. Still, we do have to pick-out bartacks to adjust the brake settings from time-to-time for some jumpers. But it's just not that often compared to the hundreds of main setups we do every year. It's usually when someone is starting to really use their front risers and want some extra slack...or they finally figured out their Sabre with 1000 jumps is way out of trim, but they want a few extra inches in the brakes to get them by for a bit longer on that old worn-out lineset. And those who want a knot or a specific adjustment, tell us, and we do as told. Anywho...that's what we do here... MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buff 0 #9 January 21, 2010 Quote Some new linesets/canopies already come fingertrapped/bartacked for the Brake-Toggle from the manufacturer. We leave those as is, unless instructed otherwise. Anywho...that's what we do here... Mike Thanks for the reply Mike. That's what I wanted to know. I'm not into the fronts on this canopy yet but have been on my other one.It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #10 January 21, 2010 QuoteI'd venture to guess they measured where your toggles from the old line set were at, then made the loop in the same place. Its almost guaranteed to be at the factory standard setting, not what was there before.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #11 January 21, 2010 Quote I would like to hear from some of the riggers (MEL, Gruwell, etc) what they do for a new spectra, microline set. Do you ask the customer what they prefer? Leave it with no loop or only a mark? Knot it and trap it? We stay with the factory standard method of construction. If the factory builds loops, we build loops,etc... If the customer has a special request to do something different, we also will provide that service. Colbalt line sets are manufactured with loops. That is what you should see if you bought a new one. Quote I'm just a little perterbed that I was not consulted and now I have waxy new lines that I'm going to have to pick machine bartacks out of when it was not necessary in the first place. First, removing a bartack is probably easier than removing the knot. The trick to that is using a very small seam ripper. I use the smallest one that is available from Wal-Mart. They work really well. Just work on about 3-4 stitches at a time. It should be less than one minute to remove it in this manner without damage. Second, Have you jumped the canopy to see if the toggles are too high or low? When a canopy is relined, the changes of line lengths throughout the canopy may dictate a change of the previous toggle setting. So,if you are going off of the last measurement, that could be very well wrong. BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
