Vallerina 2 #26 August 2, 2004 QuoteDid you happen to see Billy Weber, by any chance? I was thinking the same thing...he's kinda hard to miss, and I know I was on quite a few loads with smaller rw groups....I agree with the sign thing, though...or just a simple sign up sheet like they have at the Convention. QuoteI did notice the Casa did not get used much over the weekend. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they have to charge a minimum jump price for the Casa? A Skyvan may have been a better choice because it's hard to get on a slow Casa when the Otters there are so darned fast! Sorry you didn't have a good time. You can tell by the thread I started that I did!!!!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #27 August 2, 2004 I'm deleting my comments because I don't wish to be part of the drama. However, I still stand on the fact that I would never jump with someone that had that sort of attitude or chip on their shoulder. Just simple fact. See you all at Summerfest Wednesday night.... I can't wait! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sunshine 2 #28 August 2, 2004 Thats kinda harsh liz. SDC is my home and i love it there, but everyone has a right to their opinion. I'm sorry the guy didn't have a good time, but he has every right to say whats on his mind. It's true, the CASA didn't get jumped much. I had to pay the same price for otter and CASA jumps since i'm not on the prepaid $14 deal. I still prefer otters to CASAs. There was a few people doing 4way RW organizing. They weren't "official summerfest LOs" but they were there. Anyone would've pointed them out if asked, but perhaps this guy was too shy to ask anyone. In either case, to go off on the guy for having an opinion is wrong. JP - there was no free beer or food. The $30 registration doesn't cover that kind of stuff. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weegegirl 2 #29 August 2, 2004 i'm not "going off" on the guy. and you have been far from PC in some of your posts. i just can't stand it when people get on a public forum and bash a place after one small incident. it's not right. SDC is full of wonderful people who are trying very hard to put on a great event that will cater to everyone's needs. it's not half over and this guy is trying to spoil the fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Breezejunky 0 #30 August 2, 2004 "Sit back, relax and vent yer angst!" A quote from the description for The Bonfire. "...vent your angst!" I don't understand why you think he has a chip on his shoulder. He went to and advertised event and felt he did not get what he paid for. He spoke with not one but two of the top dogs at the DZ (I LOVE Skydive Chicago, by the way) and still felt he did not get anywhere. It appears neither of them were able to point out where exactly to go if there was someone to organize the type of jumps he was looking for. I'm sure some of you freeflyers may have thought there were plenty of flat flyers doing stuff, but that may have been with people on teams, or who came together or whatever. Some people have posted how awesome they thought the event was. I've heard great things about Summerfest in the past and almost went once but at that time I wasn't much into freeflying and I was lucky enough to get the message that it was pretty much a freeflying event. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but I too would've been disappointed back then if I had gone as I wasn't yet ready to get into freeflying. I had definite goals I wanted to achieve in formation flying first. Part of the fun of a boogie is meeting people you jump with (not everyone makes friends in the bar after) Why can't someone post what they thought was wrong? If I want to pay a $30 boogie fee for music, food or a T-shirt, I'd just go out to dinner at the mall and save myself the long drive. Geez weegegirl....Prozac? Come on. Was that enough paragraphs for everyone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #31 August 2, 2004 I'm a belly flyer, and I love Summerfest. A lot of belly flyers came for a chance to do 2 and 3 plane shots, which they've done every year since Summerfest started, but there WERE other load organizers around. One thing I love about Summerfest every year is getting to meet and jump with new people and I usually pass on the big ways in favor of smaller jumps just so I can do that! Billy Weber in particular is known for keeping his groups small, fun and low pressure. He'll even work one on one with you if he feels you need it. And he'll organize all levels. SDC has been providing his services free of charge for a month now! And he's hard to miss in the hangar! Maybe it needs to be set up a little better, that's all. Give Rook and Missy a little feedback since they are sort of new at being DZOs and organizing events like this, but they'll get there. And there really were PLENTY of belly flyers around making jumps. SDC is not strictly a free fly drop zone! Honestly, I don't even feel like I was at the same DZ this guy described! I gues its all about perception. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robertsa 0 #32 August 2, 2004 Tigra, Do you know what Load Organizing means??? If you see somebody dirt-diving, that doesn't mean that they are organizing a load to anybody... There were a few 4way teams and one 8way team practicing for themselfs... but that doesn't mean that I could just hop in to their work! Billy Weber was organizing some loads on saturday, but on sunday he gave up after he got some freefall injury... If there were "so many" load organizers, like you said... than how Rook and Missy didn't know about any of them when I asked?!?! ... and I didn't say that people at SDC are not friendly, fun,etc... I just said that they were selling something they didn't have! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #33 August 2, 2004 That was a pretty rude response. She wasn't trying to slam you; she was just giving her perspective. QuoteI just said that they were selling something they didn't have! Yeah, that does stink when things fall through for a boogie (anyone else remember the WFFC '02 fiasco? ) You coulda asked me! You know who I am! I could've set you up with people to jump with! There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RevJim 0 #34 August 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI have no idea why someone would go to a boogie with the intent to do 4 way Come on JP.... There's a medium-size boogie about to start in Illinois with a slew of organizers for intermediate jumpers.... BWAHAHAHAHA! Nice. Green is a fitting color for you, Remi. Largest. In the world. Period. At times, ten times larger than #2. and you won't be here. It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #35 August 2, 2004 Quoteand you won't be here. Yeah! He won't even have to worry about me stealing his free beer from him!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weegegirl 2 #36 August 2, 2004 QuoteBilly Weber was organizing some loads on saturday, but on sunday he gave up after he got some freefall injury... Billy Webber was injured? I hope not. And taking a break because you are injured is not "giving up"... it is "being smart." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #37 August 3, 2004 QuoteI will be starting dzbash.com shortly. Everyone can vent about every bad experience they've had at any dz, and every unsafe action they've ever witnessed. I think it will be a real asset to the skydiving community - there will be less injuries and fatalities overall, and people won't have bad experiences at a dropzone... ever. Granted, this will be just because no one will want to jump at any dz in the world because they will all be shitty, unsafe places, but I think the result is worth it. Actually, I'd like to see more of people being honest in their assessments of boogies, DZ's, gear, etc. Go look at the DZ reviews and gear reviews on this site. According to those, one would have to believe that almost every single DZ in the world is the best DZ in the world, except those rare DZ's that are the worst. Most boogies are pretty cool and an awful lot of DZ's are cool too. Some places/events are great, and others are a bit lacking. I like reading when people get on here after a boogie and say they had a blast, and if someone didn't have so much fun, I want to hear that too. What's better are those all too few posts that detail the positives AND the negatives about any particular DZ, boogie, or piece of equipment. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bbarnhouse 0 #38 August 3, 2004 First off...don't discount the persons experience whatever it may be. That was the posters experience and it obviously wasn't the same that others had. That said, there are a lot of really great drop zones out there and Skydive Chicago is one of them. Sometimes things don't work out according to plan, and the event organizers take what they've learned and apply it to the next time. If a boogie or event isn't what you expected, then perhaps it would do well to take responsibility for yourself and figure out a way to make it better. Maybe asking questions in the office or making friends with other jumpers who appear to be in the same predicament.(Notice I said appear). I am confident that Missy and Rook would have been more than willing to meet your expectations had they known you were unhappy. They are just that sort of folk. There is a lesson here for everyone. B2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Breezejunky 0 #39 August 3, 2004 Yes, I agree. I could hear the frustration in the original post, but he did not sound like he was bashing and he did not make it personal. Perhaps he could've been a little more gentle, but it's a casual forum so I don't think everyone should censor all emotion out of their posts. I also agree with what Betsy said about being responsible for your own fun, but it sure is nice when when you don't have to work at it, especially when you are not so boogie savvy. (Is that an oxy moron or what!) I've met Missy several times and I agree that she (and Rook) will take all feedback at strive to improve where practical. They are both great people (I've not met Rook but I've heard he's much the same as Missy whom I respect highly) and I'm sure this boogie presented a lot of challenges for them both. And really, if that is the biggest problem, it is one easily solved and it says a lot for how great everything else was/is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwmike 0 #40 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteDid you happen to see Billy Weber, by any chance? I was thinking the same thing...he's kinda hard to miss, and I know I was on quite a few loads with smaller rw groups....I agree with the sign thing, though...or just a simple sign up sheet like they have at the Convention. QuoteI did notice the Casa did not get used much over the weekend. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they have to charge a minimum jump price for the Casa? A Skyvan may have been a better choice because it's hard to get on a slow Casa when the Otters there are so darned fast! Not me. I'll take the CASA every time! Love CASA's. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,098 #41 August 3, 2004 QuoteTigra, Do you know what Load Organizing means??? If you see somebody dirt-diving, that doesn't mean that they are organizing a load to anybody... There were a few 4way teams and one 8way team practicing for themselfs... but that doesn't mean that I could just hop in to their work! Billy Weber was organizing some loads on saturday, but on sunday he gave up after he got some freefall injury... If there were "so many" load organizers, like you said... than how Rook and Missy didn't know about any of them when I asked?!?! ... and I didn't say that people at SDC are not friendly, fun,etc... I just said that they were selling something they didn't have! Really? Tell us again why Billy Weber wasn't organizing on Sunday afternoon, and how that translates into SDC selling something they didn't have? I saw lots of people doing small ways all day long, both days. And another thing. If National and World Champion freefliers invite you to jump with them for just the cost of a jump ticket: "After I asked Missy Nelson to help me, she said 'Come freefly with us!':" many people would think that was a great opportunity, and not bitch and whine about it. Perhaps the problem is not the DZ's.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #42 August 3, 2004 Does SDC have "organizer" shirts? At Z-hills, especially during boogies, the organizers will wear these hideous neon green shirts with "Organizer" on the back. You can't miss them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,098 #43 August 3, 2004 QuoteDoes SDC have "organizer" shirts? At Z-hills, especially during boogies, the organizers will wear these hideous neon green shirts with "Organizer" on the back. You can't miss them. You can't miss Billy Weber either.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #44 August 3, 2004 QuoteThe ONLY organized RW load was a 30some people formation from 2 aircraft. I don't have enough experience to jump this size formation with brakeoff at 4500. Wow, how times have changed. At 280 jumps It is too bad that you don't have the confidence to be a part of it. I don't mean to say you should get into a dangerous situation-over your head, but are you sure the organizers could not find an appropriate slot for you? I do know that you would have been on Cloud 9 if you had been part of the big-ways. Honestly explain to the load organizer your skills and misgivings and let them decide. They may tell you, sorry, it is over your head, or they may welcome you near/as part of the base. This time of year, every weekend is a CASA boogie at SGC-Xenia! I don't mind them being slower, they are so comfortable and I love the big, wide tailgate for RW exits.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #45 August 3, 2004 A few people have chipped in and agreed that maybe Robertsa has a valid argument. Let's try to take this one step farther... Okay, lets be constructive here. Now I know Missy is and Rook are very intelligent and they run their Operation with Skydivers In mind. This is why many people consider their Dropzone the Best in the World. (I for one have never been there, but I've heard nothing but the best about it..) How about this - Instead of voicing your complaints in a condescending tone to us here on DZ.com, wouldn't it be better to write a letter offering advice on how to Improve Summerfest for next year?? When you start talking down to people and voicing too much of the negative, I gurantee you that your pleas will fall on deaf ears.. How about this... A Letter to Missy and Rook " Hey Missy and Rook - I just wanted to Shoot you this letter and let you know how much I enjoyed Summerfest this year!! Blah blah blah I made x-so many jumps from your aircraft and blah blah... The parties and food were amazing, thank you so much for putting this on for us!! As a relative worker, I was excited to see you had advertised some Load-Organizing for the low-timers, like myself. When I arrived, Rook informed me that due to some unforeseen circumstances, Several of the Load Organizers were unable to attend as planned. With so many jumpers and all the opportunities available, I had no problem in putting together some simple relative work with other jumpers of my skill level. However, I feel that I could have learned more and had more fun if there would have been some formal Load-organizing for Low-timer relative workers. I'm sure that it would really attract many more jumpers to Summerfest Next year! Once again, I had a great time & I can't wait until next year. Blah Blah (Conclude with a summary of your main points, emphasizing the positives) I can't wait until Next year - many of my friends have been intrigued and will be coming out for tandems in the fall!! Blue Skies, Unstable " I know this seems indirect, but something like this letter will have more of an impact than just voicing a complaint.... I hope this helped!!=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #46 August 3, 2004 QuoteAnd another thing. If National and World Champion freefliers invite you to jump with them for just the cost of a jump ticket: "After I asked Missy Nelson to help me, she said 'Come freefly with us!':" many people would think that was a great opportunity, and not bitch and whine about it. Not the opportunity that was sought. I wouldn't pay a dime for an all-freeflying convention; I'm not a freeflyer now, and never intend to be one. (not that this was a freefly meet apparently, but just making my point). That's like saying that someone who scuba dives would be stupid to miss an opportunity to ride Hunter-Jumper with an Olympic Gold Medal Equestrian. It's valueless if it isn't what you are looking to do.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jose 0 #47 August 3, 2004 I wouldn't pay a dime for an all-freeflying convention; I'm not a freeflyer now, and never intend to be one. What? Do you have someting against freefliers? That comment was so rude!!!!! I take offense to such a comment. Are we not good enough for you, WHAT THEN! I swear, you are the freefly anti-christ! Your statement would have been better off in a PM to all the people that posted on this thread so those that aren't involved wouldnt have to read such jibberish! Hey, I think the domain www.pissonallfreefliers.com is still availiable! But you are free to your opinion, and I respect that! for all that are really really slow. Just kiddin! Freefly prudes don't know what they are missin! I'll take you on a HD 2 way next time im in Sno there Acme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #28 August 2, 2004 Thats kinda harsh liz. SDC is my home and i love it there, but everyone has a right to their opinion. I'm sorry the guy didn't have a good time, but he has every right to say whats on his mind. It's true, the CASA didn't get jumped much. I had to pay the same price for otter and CASA jumps since i'm not on the prepaid $14 deal. I still prefer otters to CASAs. There was a few people doing 4way RW organizing. They weren't "official summerfest LOs" but they were there. Anyone would've pointed them out if asked, but perhaps this guy was too shy to ask anyone. In either case, to go off on the guy for having an opinion is wrong. JP - there was no free beer or food. The $30 registration doesn't cover that kind of stuff. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #29 August 2, 2004 i'm not "going off" on the guy. and you have been far from PC in some of your posts. i just can't stand it when people get on a public forum and bash a place after one small incident. it's not right. SDC is full of wonderful people who are trying very hard to put on a great event that will cater to everyone's needs. it's not half over and this guy is trying to spoil the fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breezejunky 0 #30 August 2, 2004 "Sit back, relax and vent yer angst!" A quote from the description for The Bonfire. "...vent your angst!" I don't understand why you think he has a chip on his shoulder. He went to and advertised event and felt he did not get what he paid for. He spoke with not one but two of the top dogs at the DZ (I LOVE Skydive Chicago, by the way) and still felt he did not get anywhere. It appears neither of them were able to point out where exactly to go if there was someone to organize the type of jumps he was looking for. I'm sure some of you freeflyers may have thought there were plenty of flat flyers doing stuff, but that may have been with people on teams, or who came together or whatever. Some people have posted how awesome they thought the event was. I've heard great things about Summerfest in the past and almost went once but at that time I wasn't much into freeflying and I was lucky enough to get the message that it was pretty much a freeflying event. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but I too would've been disappointed back then if I had gone as I wasn't yet ready to get into freeflying. I had definite goals I wanted to achieve in formation flying first. Part of the fun of a boogie is meeting people you jump with (not everyone makes friends in the bar after) Why can't someone post what they thought was wrong? If I want to pay a $30 boogie fee for music, food or a T-shirt, I'd just go out to dinner at the mall and save myself the long drive. Geez weegegirl....Prozac? Come on. Was that enough paragraphs for everyone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #31 August 2, 2004 I'm a belly flyer, and I love Summerfest. A lot of belly flyers came for a chance to do 2 and 3 plane shots, which they've done every year since Summerfest started, but there WERE other load organizers around. One thing I love about Summerfest every year is getting to meet and jump with new people and I usually pass on the big ways in favor of smaller jumps just so I can do that! Billy Weber in particular is known for keeping his groups small, fun and low pressure. He'll even work one on one with you if he feels you need it. And he'll organize all levels. SDC has been providing his services free of charge for a month now! And he's hard to miss in the hangar! Maybe it needs to be set up a little better, that's all. Give Rook and Missy a little feedback since they are sort of new at being DZOs and organizing events like this, but they'll get there. And there really were PLENTY of belly flyers around making jumps. SDC is not strictly a free fly drop zone! Honestly, I don't even feel like I was at the same DZ this guy described! I gues its all about perception. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robertsa 0 #32 August 2, 2004 Tigra, Do you know what Load Organizing means??? If you see somebody dirt-diving, that doesn't mean that they are organizing a load to anybody... There were a few 4way teams and one 8way team practicing for themselfs... but that doesn't mean that I could just hop in to their work! Billy Weber was organizing some loads on saturday, but on sunday he gave up after he got some freefall injury... If there were "so many" load organizers, like you said... than how Rook and Missy didn't know about any of them when I asked?!?! ... and I didn't say that people at SDC are not friendly, fun,etc... I just said that they were selling something they didn't have! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #33 August 2, 2004 That was a pretty rude response. She wasn't trying to slam you; she was just giving her perspective. QuoteI just said that they were selling something they didn't have! Yeah, that does stink when things fall through for a boogie (anyone else remember the WFFC '02 fiasco? ) You coulda asked me! You know who I am! I could've set you up with people to jump with! There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #34 August 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI have no idea why someone would go to a boogie with the intent to do 4 way Come on JP.... There's a medium-size boogie about to start in Illinois with a slew of organizers for intermediate jumpers.... BWAHAHAHAHA! Nice. Green is a fitting color for you, Remi. Largest. In the world. Period. At times, ten times larger than #2. and you won't be here. It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #35 August 2, 2004 Quoteand you won't be here. Yeah! He won't even have to worry about me stealing his free beer from him!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #36 August 2, 2004 QuoteBilly Weber was organizing some loads on saturday, but on sunday he gave up after he got some freefall injury... Billy Webber was injured? I hope not. And taking a break because you are injured is not "giving up"... it is "being smart." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #37 August 3, 2004 QuoteI will be starting dzbash.com shortly. Everyone can vent about every bad experience they've had at any dz, and every unsafe action they've ever witnessed. I think it will be a real asset to the skydiving community - there will be less injuries and fatalities overall, and people won't have bad experiences at a dropzone... ever. Granted, this will be just because no one will want to jump at any dz in the world because they will all be shitty, unsafe places, but I think the result is worth it. Actually, I'd like to see more of people being honest in their assessments of boogies, DZ's, gear, etc. Go look at the DZ reviews and gear reviews on this site. According to those, one would have to believe that almost every single DZ in the world is the best DZ in the world, except those rare DZ's that are the worst. Most boogies are pretty cool and an awful lot of DZ's are cool too. Some places/events are great, and others are a bit lacking. I like reading when people get on here after a boogie and say they had a blast, and if someone didn't have so much fun, I want to hear that too. What's better are those all too few posts that detail the positives AND the negatives about any particular DZ, boogie, or piece of equipment. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #38 August 3, 2004 First off...don't discount the persons experience whatever it may be. That was the posters experience and it obviously wasn't the same that others had. That said, there are a lot of really great drop zones out there and Skydive Chicago is one of them. Sometimes things don't work out according to plan, and the event organizers take what they've learned and apply it to the next time. If a boogie or event isn't what you expected, then perhaps it would do well to take responsibility for yourself and figure out a way to make it better. Maybe asking questions in the office or making friends with other jumpers who appear to be in the same predicament.(Notice I said appear). I am confident that Missy and Rook would have been more than willing to meet your expectations had they known you were unhappy. They are just that sort of folk. There is a lesson here for everyone. B2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breezejunky 0 #39 August 3, 2004 Yes, I agree. I could hear the frustration in the original post, but he did not sound like he was bashing and he did not make it personal. Perhaps he could've been a little more gentle, but it's a casual forum so I don't think everyone should censor all emotion out of their posts. I also agree with what Betsy said about being responsible for your own fun, but it sure is nice when when you don't have to work at it, especially when you are not so boogie savvy. (Is that an oxy moron or what!) I've met Missy several times and I agree that she (and Rook) will take all feedback at strive to improve where practical. They are both great people (I've not met Rook but I've heard he's much the same as Missy whom I respect highly) and I'm sure this boogie presented a lot of challenges for them both. And really, if that is the biggest problem, it is one easily solved and it says a lot for how great everything else was/is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #40 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteDid you happen to see Billy Weber, by any chance? I was thinking the same thing...he's kinda hard to miss, and I know I was on quite a few loads with smaller rw groups....I agree with the sign thing, though...or just a simple sign up sheet like they have at the Convention. QuoteI did notice the Casa did not get used much over the weekend. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they have to charge a minimum jump price for the Casa? A Skyvan may have been a better choice because it's hard to get on a slow Casa when the Otters there are so darned fast! Not me. I'll take the CASA every time! Love CASA's. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,098 #41 August 3, 2004 QuoteTigra, Do you know what Load Organizing means??? If you see somebody dirt-diving, that doesn't mean that they are organizing a load to anybody... There were a few 4way teams and one 8way team practicing for themselfs... but that doesn't mean that I could just hop in to their work! Billy Weber was organizing some loads on saturday, but on sunday he gave up after he got some freefall injury... If there were "so many" load organizers, like you said... than how Rook and Missy didn't know about any of them when I asked?!?! ... and I didn't say that people at SDC are not friendly, fun,etc... I just said that they were selling something they didn't have! Really? Tell us again why Billy Weber wasn't organizing on Sunday afternoon, and how that translates into SDC selling something they didn't have? I saw lots of people doing small ways all day long, both days. And another thing. If National and World Champion freefliers invite you to jump with them for just the cost of a jump ticket: "After I asked Missy Nelson to help me, she said 'Come freefly with us!':" many people would think that was a great opportunity, and not bitch and whine about it. Perhaps the problem is not the DZ's.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #42 August 3, 2004 Does SDC have "organizer" shirts? At Z-hills, especially during boogies, the organizers will wear these hideous neon green shirts with "Organizer" on the back. You can't miss them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,098 #43 August 3, 2004 QuoteDoes SDC have "organizer" shirts? At Z-hills, especially during boogies, the organizers will wear these hideous neon green shirts with "Organizer" on the back. You can't miss them. You can't miss Billy Weber either.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #44 August 3, 2004 QuoteThe ONLY organized RW load was a 30some people formation from 2 aircraft. I don't have enough experience to jump this size formation with brakeoff at 4500. Wow, how times have changed. At 280 jumps It is too bad that you don't have the confidence to be a part of it. I don't mean to say you should get into a dangerous situation-over your head, but are you sure the organizers could not find an appropriate slot for you? I do know that you would have been on Cloud 9 if you had been part of the big-ways. Honestly explain to the load organizer your skills and misgivings and let them decide. They may tell you, sorry, it is over your head, or they may welcome you near/as part of the base. This time of year, every weekend is a CASA boogie at SGC-Xenia! I don't mind them being slower, they are so comfortable and I love the big, wide tailgate for RW exits.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #45 August 3, 2004 A few people have chipped in and agreed that maybe Robertsa has a valid argument. Let's try to take this one step farther... Okay, lets be constructive here. Now I know Missy is and Rook are very intelligent and they run their Operation with Skydivers In mind. This is why many people consider their Dropzone the Best in the World. (I for one have never been there, but I've heard nothing but the best about it..) How about this - Instead of voicing your complaints in a condescending tone to us here on DZ.com, wouldn't it be better to write a letter offering advice on how to Improve Summerfest for next year?? When you start talking down to people and voicing too much of the negative, I gurantee you that your pleas will fall on deaf ears.. How about this... A Letter to Missy and Rook " Hey Missy and Rook - I just wanted to Shoot you this letter and let you know how much I enjoyed Summerfest this year!! Blah blah blah I made x-so many jumps from your aircraft and blah blah... The parties and food were amazing, thank you so much for putting this on for us!! As a relative worker, I was excited to see you had advertised some Load-Organizing for the low-timers, like myself. When I arrived, Rook informed me that due to some unforeseen circumstances, Several of the Load Organizers were unable to attend as planned. With so many jumpers and all the opportunities available, I had no problem in putting together some simple relative work with other jumpers of my skill level. However, I feel that I could have learned more and had more fun if there would have been some formal Load-organizing for Low-timer relative workers. I'm sure that it would really attract many more jumpers to Summerfest Next year! Once again, I had a great time & I can't wait until next year. Blah Blah (Conclude with a summary of your main points, emphasizing the positives) I can't wait until Next year - many of my friends have been intrigued and will be coming out for tandems in the fall!! Blue Skies, Unstable " I know this seems indirect, but something like this letter will have more of an impact than just voicing a complaint.... I hope this helped!!=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #46 August 3, 2004 QuoteAnd another thing. If National and World Champion freefliers invite you to jump with them for just the cost of a jump ticket: "After I asked Missy Nelson to help me, she said 'Come freefly with us!':" many people would think that was a great opportunity, and not bitch and whine about it. Not the opportunity that was sought. I wouldn't pay a dime for an all-freeflying convention; I'm not a freeflyer now, and never intend to be one. (not that this was a freefly meet apparently, but just making my point). That's like saying that someone who scuba dives would be stupid to miss an opportunity to ride Hunter-Jumper with an Olympic Gold Medal Equestrian. It's valueless if it isn't what you are looking to do.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jose 0 #47 August 3, 2004 I wouldn't pay a dime for an all-freeflying convention; I'm not a freeflyer now, and never intend to be one. What? Do you have someting against freefliers? That comment was so rude!!!!! I take offense to such a comment. Are we not good enough for you, WHAT THEN! I swear, you are the freefly anti-christ! Your statement would have been better off in a PM to all the people that posted on this thread so those that aren't involved wouldnt have to read such jibberish! Hey, I think the domain www.pissonallfreefliers.com is still availiable! But you are free to your opinion, and I respect that! for all that are really really slow. Just kiddin! Freefly prudes don't know what they are missin! I'll take you on a HD 2 way next time im in Sno there Acme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,098 #41 August 3, 2004 QuoteTigra, Do you know what Load Organizing means??? If you see somebody dirt-diving, that doesn't mean that they are organizing a load to anybody... There were a few 4way teams and one 8way team practicing for themselfs... but that doesn't mean that I could just hop in to their work! Billy Weber was organizing some loads on saturday, but on sunday he gave up after he got some freefall injury... If there were "so many" load organizers, like you said... than how Rook and Missy didn't know about any of them when I asked?!?! ... and I didn't say that people at SDC are not friendly, fun,etc... I just said that they were selling something they didn't have! Really? Tell us again why Billy Weber wasn't organizing on Sunday afternoon, and how that translates into SDC selling something they didn't have? I saw lots of people doing small ways all day long, both days. And another thing. If National and World Champion freefliers invite you to jump with them for just the cost of a jump ticket: "After I asked Missy Nelson to help me, she said 'Come freefly with us!':" many people would think that was a great opportunity, and not bitch and whine about it. Perhaps the problem is not the DZ's.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #42 August 3, 2004 Does SDC have "organizer" shirts? At Z-hills, especially during boogies, the organizers will wear these hideous neon green shirts with "Organizer" on the back. You can't miss them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,098 #43 August 3, 2004 QuoteDoes SDC have "organizer" shirts? At Z-hills, especially during boogies, the organizers will wear these hideous neon green shirts with "Organizer" on the back. You can't miss them. You can't miss Billy Weber either.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #44 August 3, 2004 QuoteThe ONLY organized RW load was a 30some people formation from 2 aircraft. I don't have enough experience to jump this size formation with brakeoff at 4500. Wow, how times have changed. At 280 jumps It is too bad that you don't have the confidence to be a part of it. I don't mean to say you should get into a dangerous situation-over your head, but are you sure the organizers could not find an appropriate slot for you? I do know that you would have been on Cloud 9 if you had been part of the big-ways. Honestly explain to the load organizer your skills and misgivings and let them decide. They may tell you, sorry, it is over your head, or they may welcome you near/as part of the base. This time of year, every weekend is a CASA boogie at SGC-Xenia! I don't mind them being slower, they are so comfortable and I love the big, wide tailgate for RW exits.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #45 August 3, 2004 A few people have chipped in and agreed that maybe Robertsa has a valid argument. Let's try to take this one step farther... Okay, lets be constructive here. Now I know Missy is and Rook are very intelligent and they run their Operation with Skydivers In mind. This is why many people consider their Dropzone the Best in the World. (I for one have never been there, but I've heard nothing but the best about it..) How about this - Instead of voicing your complaints in a condescending tone to us here on DZ.com, wouldn't it be better to write a letter offering advice on how to Improve Summerfest for next year?? When you start talking down to people and voicing too much of the negative, I gurantee you that your pleas will fall on deaf ears.. How about this... A Letter to Missy and Rook " Hey Missy and Rook - I just wanted to Shoot you this letter and let you know how much I enjoyed Summerfest this year!! Blah blah blah I made x-so many jumps from your aircraft and blah blah... The parties and food were amazing, thank you so much for putting this on for us!! As a relative worker, I was excited to see you had advertised some Load-Organizing for the low-timers, like myself. When I arrived, Rook informed me that due to some unforeseen circumstances, Several of the Load Organizers were unable to attend as planned. With so many jumpers and all the opportunities available, I had no problem in putting together some simple relative work with other jumpers of my skill level. However, I feel that I could have learned more and had more fun if there would have been some formal Load-organizing for Low-timer relative workers. I'm sure that it would really attract many more jumpers to Summerfest Next year! Once again, I had a great time & I can't wait until next year. Blah Blah (Conclude with a summary of your main points, emphasizing the positives) I can't wait until Next year - many of my friends have been intrigued and will be coming out for tandems in the fall!! Blue Skies, Unstable " I know this seems indirect, but something like this letter will have more of an impact than just voicing a complaint.... I hope this helped!!=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #46 August 3, 2004 QuoteAnd another thing. If National and World Champion freefliers invite you to jump with them for just the cost of a jump ticket: "After I asked Missy Nelson to help me, she said 'Come freefly with us!':" many people would think that was a great opportunity, and not bitch and whine about it. Not the opportunity that was sought. I wouldn't pay a dime for an all-freeflying convention; I'm not a freeflyer now, and never intend to be one. (not that this was a freefly meet apparently, but just making my point). That's like saying that someone who scuba dives would be stupid to miss an opportunity to ride Hunter-Jumper with an Olympic Gold Medal Equestrian. It's valueless if it isn't what you are looking to do.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jose 0 #47 August 3, 2004 I wouldn't pay a dime for an all-freeflying convention; I'm not a freeflyer now, and never intend to be one. What? Do you have someting against freefliers? That comment was so rude!!!!! I take offense to such a comment. Are we not good enough for you, WHAT THEN! I swear, you are the freefly anti-christ! Your statement would have been better off in a PM to all the people that posted on this thread so those that aren't involved wouldnt have to read such jibberish! Hey, I think the domain www.pissonallfreefliers.com is still availiable! But you are free to your opinion, and I respect that! for all that are really really slow. Just kiddin! Freefly prudes don't know what they are missin! I'll take you on a HD 2 way next time im in Sno there Acme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #48 August 3, 2004 Quote I'll take you on a HD 2 way next time im in Sno there Acme. Not gonna happen. I go plenty fast on my belly. -Not nearly as fast as GogglesNTeeth, but plenty fast if'n I wanna. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #49 August 3, 2004 QuoteI have never ever found it Find me...You should remember me, although the hair is purple now. I'll show you where it's at...----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breezejunky 0 #50 August 3, 2004 "But you are free to your opinion, and I respect that!" Yeah, clearly. Could you twist it a little more? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
