WFFC 1 #51 August 3, 2004 Quote(anyone else remember the WFFC '02 fiasco? ) Hey, I've still got my get out of jail free card for that one...that one was beyond the WFFC's and the plane owner's control.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #52 August 3, 2004 QuoteI have never ever found it -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find me...You should remember me, although the hair is purple now. I'll show you where it's at... Michael you're going to have to show me too cuz I looked all over and and never found it. Would it be possible to hide it in plain sight? LOL Oh and make mine diet coke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cderham 0 #53 August 3, 2004 Sorry if this point was made already (I skipped a lot of posts) but I know for a fact that I seen Billy Webber (sp?) organizing a couple of 6/8 ways and I seen Max with a couple of 10/15 ways. Maybe you were not at the right place at the right time? I just know I seen a few different people organizing smaller ways and only seen approx 2 - 2 plane shots all weekend. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #54 August 3, 2004 Quoteand you won't be here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah! He won't even have to worry about me stealing his free beer from him! Speaking of which, YOU BOTH SUCK! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #55 August 3, 2004 Quotethat one was beyond the WFFC's and the plane owner's control. Yup, which is what I told people that complained....sometimes, things just don't go as planned. It's just a fact of life. QuoteYOU BOTH SUCK! No comment Oh, and Robert, I just wanted to make one comment....You said that Missy or Rook should've organized for RW smaller ways since they are capable of it, and they advertised for it. Well, this goes to show where you can't please all of the people all of the time. If they would've gone and organized for smaller RW ways, they wouldn't have been able to organize smaller freefly ways....which means that I wouldn't have "gotten" what was advertised (although, I tend to be somewhat of a social butterfly, so I never have problems jumping with people....it was actually hard for me to make a solo jump like I wanted to do....people kept asking, "Oh! Do you want me to jump with you? You don't have to do a solo!" I wanted to do a solo, though! ) I know that both Missy and Rook welcome ideas which can improve their dropzone. No dz is perfect! There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #56 August 3, 2004 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does SDC have "organizer" shirts? At Z-hills, especially during boogies, the organizers will wear these hideous neon green shirts with "Organizer" on the back. You can't miss them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can't miss Billy Weber either. I guess the answer to my question is "no" then? I think I offered a perfectly constructive thought. Shirts that identify the organizers could have helped in this situation, whether you think the original poster was right or wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #57 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteI have never ever found it -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find me...You should remember me, although the hair is purple now. I'll show you where it's at... Michael you're going to have to show me too cuz I looked all over and and never found it. Would it be possible to hide it in plain sight? LOL Oh and make mine diet coke Oh thank heaven someone else chimmed in on it too, cause I was starting to think I was losing it. Michael- I prefer diet also and if you would just wear the hat you would be easier to find. Thanks to all who will help me find the soft drinks. Judy JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #58 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does SDC have "organizer" shirts? At Z-hills, especially during boogies, the organizers will wear these hideous neon green shirts with "Organizer" on the back. You can't miss them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can't miss Billy Weber either. I guess the answer to my question is "no" then? I think I offered a perfectly constructive thought. Shirts that identify the organizers could have helped in this situation, whether you think the original poster was right or wrong. It is a good idea. The organizer I jumped with had a yellow tee shirt with "STAFF" on the back, but "Organizer" would be a better choice. And you still can't miss Billy Weber.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #59 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteI will be starting dzbash.com shortly. Everyone can vent about every bad experience they've had at any dz, and every unsafe action they've ever witnessed. I think it will be a real asset to the skydiving community - there will be less injuries and fatalities overall, and people won't have bad experiences at a dropzone... ever. Granted, this will be just because no one will want to jump at any dz in the world because they will all be shitty, unsafe places, but I think the result is worth it. Actually, I'd like to see more of people being honest in their assessments of boogies, DZ's, gear, etc. Go look at the DZ reviews and gear reviews on this site. According to those, one would have to believe that almost every single DZ in the world is the best DZ in the world, except those rare DZ's that are the worst. Most boogies are pretty cool and an awful lot of DZ's are cool too. Some places/events are great, and others are a bit lacking. I like reading when people get on here after a boogie and say they had a blast, and if someone didn't have so much fun, I want to hear that too. What's better are those all too few posts that detail the positives AND the negatives about any particular DZ, boogie, or piece of equipment. Blues, Dave Absofuckinlutely! I had zero problem with the original post. If true, he had a valid complaint and stated it without malice. If not, skydivers had the opportunity for reasonable explanations why not. Some of you guys seem to have a bit of trouble getting past childish emotions to straight forward communication. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #60 August 3, 2004 QuoteSome of you guys seem to have a bit of trouble getting past childish emotions to straight forward communication. Miscommunication online? In a medium that lacks tone? Nahhh...that could never happen. I would say a good portion of the fights on here happen due to this. In fact, most arguments online probably have this issue. You should include a "tone disclaimer"_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,444 #61 August 3, 2004 QuoteAnd you still can't miss Billy Weber. Why can't you miss Billy Weber? I've never seen him. There are lots of distinctive people at most dropzones. I'm not from there, so how would I be able to figure out that he's the person to go to for RW organizing? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #62 August 3, 2004 QuoteIt is a good idea. The organizer I jumped with had a yellow tee shirt with "STAFF" on the back, but "Organizer" would be a better choice. And you still can't miss Billy Weber. I couldn't have picked him out of a crowd until a couple of months ago. I knew the name, but not the face. And I didn't know he was an organizer, I thought he was just the dude from the packing video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #63 August 3, 2004 QuoteWhy can't you miss Billy Weber? I've never seen him. There are lots of distinctive people at most dropzones. I'm not from there, so how would I be able to figure out that he's the person to go to for RW organizing? Sorry Kallend, but i gotta agree with wendy here. SDC is my home and i never knew billy weber was actually on SDC staff as a load organizer. I thought he was just some loud red haired guy that liked to kinda take over things. If i was new jumper on the DZ, i wouldn't know to walk up to him for organizing. In fact, if i was shy, billy weber's loudness would prolly scare me away from approaching him. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #64 August 3, 2004 QuoteAbsofuckinlutely! I had zero problem with the original post. If true, he had a valid complaint and stated it without malice. If not, skydivers had the opportunity for reasonable explanations why not. Some of you guys seem to have a bit of trouble getting past childish emotions to straight forward communication. I agree and disagree with you. That's why I said I'm starting dzbash.com - so people know it's there to just vent shit, and they won't get some of the responses telling them where to find good cheese. So yes, people should be able to freely state their good and bad experiences with gear, dzs, events, etc. But, it doesn't really matter, because everyone's experiences are usually different. Everyone should really just not worry about what people say and check things out for themselves. So saying 'this place sucked!' is kinda pointless... and there's that fine line - what situations should you just let the people invovled know you were disappointed, and at what point do you tell the world about it?it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #65 August 3, 2004 I have always like the "STAFF" t-shirts. It gives you somewhere to go to ask about stuff. I think it is a good idea for any dz. I think that the first step is always the responsibility of the new person, to ask. The original poster did ask, but didn't get a useful answer. It sounds like there was a little confusion about who was doing what. That was probably frustrating. No one wants to see a first-time jumper at a dz have a bad experience. Perhaps there is a small change that can prevent this. Say, when someone fills out the waiver, "What are your plans here? Need a LO? Freefly? RW? Team?" I hear people complaining about this a lot. This is probably a failing of many dz operations. From a business perspective, it would be wise to think about it. I hope to see BW again this winter. I always learn something new from him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dougiefresh 0 #66 August 3, 2004 I can understand the original poster's complaint though... SDC is a big dz, with world class fliers, and it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. One of my fellow low-timers said to me yesterday, "If you don't have 2000 jumps, they won't even look at you." Which is an exaggeration, clearly, but the point remains. You are responsible for having your own fun, you can't expect someone to seek you out specifically to find out what you want to do; you have to go up to them. People at SDC are very nice and will help you out, but you have to ASK THEM. It does seem strange that missy and rook didn't point out other low-timers... I'll chalk that up to the fact that they were busy. Sorry you didn't have a good time, man. Come back sometime and I'll introduce you to some nice RW guys.Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. --Douglas Adams Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #67 August 3, 2004 QuoteIt does seem strange that missy and rook didn't point out other low-timers... I'll chalk that up to the fact that they were busy. Sorry you didn't have a good time, man. Come back sometime and I'll introduce you to some nice RW guys. Excellent idea. I wouldn't let one bad experience totally color my perception. If he was to post on dz.com that he was coming back and looking for RW people, someone will pick up on it. Bring a couple friends, hook up with 3 more, and do fun stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robertsa 0 #68 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteI saw lots of people doing small ways all day long, both days. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WERE THE PART OF THE SDC ORGANIZED LOADS! And another thing. If National and World Champion freefliers invite you to jump with them for just the cost of a jump ticket: "After I asked Missy Nelson to help me, she said 'Come freefly with us!':" many people would think that was a great opportunity, and not bitch and whine about it. IF I DON'T CARE ABOUT FREEFLYING THAN THIS OPPORTUNITY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING FOR ME... ...and the T-shirt idea is excellent... one of the cheapest and smartest ways to organize the boogie better! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #69 August 3, 2004 WFFC provides organizer hats. Each hat is numbered for the organizer to keep track of their jumps, but its also a simple thing.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #70 August 3, 2004 QuoteIF I DON'T CARE ABOUT FREEFLYING THAN THIS OPPORTUNITY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING FOR ME... Wow! Really?! I don't do RW, but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' I'd probably piss myself.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robertsa 0 #71 August 3, 2004 QuoteOh, and Robert, I just wanted to make one comment....You said that Missy or Rook should've organized for RW smaller ways since they are capable of it, and they advertised for it. Well, this goes to show where you can't please all of the people all of the time. If they would've gone and organized for smaller RW ways, they wouldn't have been able to organize smaller freefly ways....which means that I wouldn't have "gotten" what was advertised Val, As I have seen, SDC has so many "kick ass" freeflyers... I'm sure Missy and Rook could find somebody to organize those small freefly loads while they could put together some medium or small RWs... just to fix the things that gone bad... When I arrieved to the registration tent on the entrance, they gave me a brochure with the Schedule: Saturday(July31)-RW Sequential Organized by Joe Trinko... Sunday(Aug.1)-RW Sequential all Skills by Joe Trinko...etc. Why they didn't say that the guy have cancelled and the organizing will not happen? Instead of that, they haven't said anything... just took the 30 bucks with the smile on their face! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bbarnhouse 0 #72 August 3, 2004 QuoteI don't do RW, but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' I'd probably piss myself. Well if you plan to be in Rantoul...you'll have the opportunity to do just that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #73 August 3, 2004 >but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' True story - For several months, Dan BC was confusing Amy (my wife) and Erin, a tall 4-way person from Elsinore. Amy didn't mind, because Dan then thought that Amy/Erin was good at both 4-way and big way flying. Dan came up to us one day and said "Hey, wanna do a 4-way?" Amy said "You know, I just figured it out! You're confusing Erin and me. Erin's on that 4-way team from Elsinore, and she usually has a black jumpsuit - I was on that 120 way with you." Dan just looked at her. "So do you want to do a 4-way or not?" Was funny. It's easy to get spoiled at Perris, with Dan, Pat, Nina, Chris etc to jump with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #74 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't do RW, but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' I'd probably piss myself. Well if you plan to be in Rantoul...you'll have the opportunity to do just that! Make sure to get it on video if he pisses on himself. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #75 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't do RW, but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' I'd probably piss myself. Well if you plan to be in Rantoul...you'll have the opportunity to do just that! And the Holiday Boogie too. All the Airspeed people are great. Nobody at last year's holiday boogie could complain about the availability of coaching from the world's best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 3 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
PhreeZone 20 #69 August 3, 2004 WFFC provides organizer hats. Each hat is numbered for the organizer to keep track of their jumps, but its also a simple thing.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #70 August 3, 2004 QuoteIF I DON'T CARE ABOUT FREEFLYING THAN THIS OPPORTUNITY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING FOR ME... Wow! Really?! I don't do RW, but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' I'd probably piss myself.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robertsa 0 #71 August 3, 2004 QuoteOh, and Robert, I just wanted to make one comment....You said that Missy or Rook should've organized for RW smaller ways since they are capable of it, and they advertised for it. Well, this goes to show where you can't please all of the people all of the time. If they would've gone and organized for smaller RW ways, they wouldn't have been able to organize smaller freefly ways....which means that I wouldn't have "gotten" what was advertised Val, As I have seen, SDC has so many "kick ass" freeflyers... I'm sure Missy and Rook could find somebody to organize those small freefly loads while they could put together some medium or small RWs... just to fix the things that gone bad... When I arrieved to the registration tent on the entrance, they gave me a brochure with the Schedule: Saturday(July31)-RW Sequential Organized by Joe Trinko... Sunday(Aug.1)-RW Sequential all Skills by Joe Trinko...etc. Why they didn't say that the guy have cancelled and the organizing will not happen? Instead of that, they haven't said anything... just took the 30 bucks with the smile on their face! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #72 August 3, 2004 QuoteI don't do RW, but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' I'd probably piss myself. Well if you plan to be in Rantoul...you'll have the opportunity to do just that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #73 August 3, 2004 >but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' True story - For several months, Dan BC was confusing Amy (my wife) and Erin, a tall 4-way person from Elsinore. Amy didn't mind, because Dan then thought that Amy/Erin was good at both 4-way and big way flying. Dan came up to us one day and said "Hey, wanna do a 4-way?" Amy said "You know, I just figured it out! You're confusing Erin and me. Erin's on that 4-way team from Elsinore, and she usually has a black jumpsuit - I was on that 120 way with you." Dan just looked at her. "So do you want to do a 4-way or not?" Was funny. It's easy to get spoiled at Perris, with Dan, Pat, Nina, Chris etc to jump with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #74 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't do RW, but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' I'd probably piss myself. Well if you plan to be in Rantoul...you'll have the opportunity to do just that! Make sure to get it on video if he pisses on himself. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #75 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't do RW, but if someone from Airspeed walked up and said 'hey, want to go do a 4 way with us?' I'd probably piss myself. Well if you plan to be in Rantoul...you'll have the opportunity to do just that! And the Holiday Boogie too. All the Airspeed people are great. Nobody at last year's holiday boogie could complain about the availability of coaching from the world's best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
