freeflybella 0 #76 July 7, 2004 Newlywed. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #77 July 7, 2004 You don't see a correlation between time spent with children and their well-being in life? It's not a 1:1 relationship, as if to say that every person who works x+ hours per week is going to have 1.5 children spend 3.2 years in prison, but there is DEFINITELY a correlation. People absolutely need to be there for their children. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #78 July 7, 2004 True, but if he had kept them at the schools they were at rather than moving them for a very marginal amount of money then the other variables of meeting new people and starting in a new area of the country wouldn't have been there - thus increasing the chance that the influence of mom and dad (and close familiy for that matter) would have had a great impact. JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #79 July 7, 2004 I kind of do and kind of don't want to get into this. I have a very old school set of values and would have to be very close and intimate with someone both intellectually and emotionally before physically... I also hope to some day be able to share that kind of bond with one person... I'm weird in our society... I think I'm against the norm. At least from what I see all of my acquaintances doing... SLivin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #80 July 7, 2004 QuoteI'm weird in our society... I think I'm against the norm. Its seems that way sometimes huh? I think we need more guys like that though JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #81 July 7, 2004 QuoteIt just seems like maybe you're looking for a guarantee-- there are no guarantees in life, but there are things that are worth taking chances for. I think you just need to be a tad more optimistic. There ARE happy couples out there who have been together for a long time. Will I be a part of one? Hell if I know. But I'd like to think that it's a possibility. Kelly No, I know there aren't guarantees, that's why I wouldn't try to guarantee so someone else that I'll stay with them forever. I don't know if I could, so that would be dishonest. It would be selfish of me to tell someone that I would just to get them to stay with me. That's why my 5 year relationship ended, because I wouldn't get married. For that reason alone. I don't need to be optimistic, because I don't need to be married and I don't need someone to commit to staying with me forever. It's not that I am bitter, it's just not what I want. I've felt this way since I was in high school. My older brothers and sisters used to tell me I would change when I got older. Well, I'm 32 and still don't want to get married and don't want to have kids. And I am not upset about it in the slightest. I don't know why that should upset anyone else. But you and my Mom would sure be on the same side Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #82 July 7, 2004 You're a good man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #83 July 7, 2004 Quotebut if he had kept them at the schools they were at rather than moving them for a very marginal amount of money then the other variables of meeting new people and starting in a new area of the country wouldn't have been there - We almost moved to Buffalo when I was 9. I was told that it was life. I didn't want to move there, but I know many kids who had to move far away because it made sense. And, of course time the parents spends with kids influences them, however, both of my parents worked 50 hours a week. That's the "norm." After they got home, then they would spend time with us.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #84 July 7, 2004 Well... all I can say is that not everyone is as perfect as your parents and that every kid is not as perfect as you JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #85 July 7, 2004 Good Post Jen I have to say I agree with you. I read these posts and it is sad I think the main problem is people thinking what about me(all the time) we have lost sight of the really important things in life. Every one in my extended family has been married and are very happy. Maybe that’s why I have a better outlook then people who see the opposite. Out of more then 100 family members I have one cousin that has been divorced and she did it for the right reasons. People never give it a chance to get to the next level. When I look at my parents there is no doubt no questions they would die before they let harm come too either of them. I don’t think there is anything more beautiful.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #86 July 7, 2004 QuoteTrue, but if he had kept them at the schools they were at rather than moving them for a very marginal amount of money then the other variables of meeting new people and starting in a new area of the country wouldn't have been there - thus increasing the chance that the influence of mom and dad (and close familiy for that matter) would have had a great impact. Jen I have a very close family. My parents stayed together. I grew up in a middle class suburb. Lived in the same house from birth until I moved out on my own. And I was a freakin' mess as a teenager. I still appologize to my Mom for the things that I did. And my good life growing up definitely did impact who I am today. But it had zero impact on who I was as a teenager. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #87 July 7, 2004 QuoteGood Post Jen I have to say I agree with you. I read these posts and it is sad I think the main problem is people thinking what about me(all the time) we have lost sight of the really important things in life. Every one in my extended family has been married and are very happy. Maybe that’s why I have a better outlook then people who see the opposite. Out of more then 100 family members I have one cousin that has been divorced and she did it for the right reasons. People never give it a chance to get to the next level. When I look at my parents there is no doubt no questions they would die before they let harm come too either of them. I don’t think there is anything more beautiful. Same here. My extended family is Irish Catholic. Maybe one or two divorces out of the dozens of cousins that I have. But more than a handful of unhappily married. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #88 July 7, 2004 QuoteWell... all I can say is that not everyone is as perfect as your parents and that every kid is not as perfect as you I never said that I was perfect. I said that I turned out alright. My parents are definitely not perfect. They both worked hard, and they spent time when they could.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #89 July 7, 2004 Then Maybe Marriage is not for you as you posted and thats fine. Me i want one pearson if i had a choice of twenty or 1 i would still want one. I also want forever. There is love there is lust, and then there is the good stuff. When the love is there and has been there for a really long time.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymut 0 #90 July 7, 2004 I fall in the same category as you. At the risk of being flamed, which I'm sure I will, I waited for sex until I was married - and I was 28 when I got married. I'm pretty proud of that, it took YEARS of self control. I think that sex without committment creates a false intimacy that is pretty superficial. However, within the bonds of my marriage, it supplies a deeper bond than the one that is already there. I don't think that guys like us are all that rare, I just think that the 'other' side is so vocal about their 'exploits.' It's just not considered 'manly' in today's culture (which I disagree with) for a guy to go around bragging, 'yep, I'm still a virgin.' Matt A well-informed person is somebody who has the same views and opinions as yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #91 July 7, 2004 QuoteWell... all I can say is that not everyone is as perfect as your parents and that every kid is not as perfect as you Jen, that sounds a little...snotty, even if you are covering it up with a winky.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #92 July 7, 2004 Quote.....I think I've convinced mine that it's okay that she's dating a dork. ROFLMAO I'm sorry Jason, but that is funny as hell. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #93 July 7, 2004 I think there is lots of people who sound snotty And when I think of Snotty Jen doesn't come to mind. It seems we are very selective as who we notice and who we let slide aren't we.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #94 July 7, 2004 You're right. Appropriate PMs have been sent. JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #95 July 7, 2004 QuoteIt seems we are very selective as who we notice and who we let slide aren't we. We? Are you royalty now? Looks like Jen agreed with me.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #96 July 7, 2004 Ok, there seems to be two camps. Do women who have a committed, monogamous relationship feel angry towards non-monogamous women? The idea would be, "My marriage is valuable to me, you are threatening it for your recreation." There is "flirting as harmless fun" and "flirt with intent of follow-through". I see a lot of flirts ostracized by social cliques. A lot of the negativity towards "active" women seems to come from women guarding their turf. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #97 July 7, 2004 Don't forget the camp of I'm in a monogamous relationship but have no plans to ever get married. Trust me, even if you aren't married it's still cheating if you sleep with someone else.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #98 July 7, 2004 I was named after a King Prince Darius Does have a nice ring to it doesn't it.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #99 July 7, 2004 Yeah, I hear that... I'm nearly 30 and am no where near getting married. I haven't found her yet... I'm sure there are guys like me about... but if they are really like me then they aren't too vocal about it either. its cool... I'm satisfied waiting for the one... I come from a family with several aunts and uncles that have been happily married for many years... so I know its possible... it doesn't mean its easy... and it doesn't mean that every day will be great... but it can happen. btw: the happy young lady in my avatar is one of my little sisters... ILivin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #100 July 7, 2004 Quote When I look at my parents there is no doubt no questions they would die before they let harm come too either of them. I don’t think there is anything more beautiful. Damn, I wish my parents were like that.....my dad would never let any harm come to any of his family, but my mother would throw me or my father in front of a bullet without hesitation. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
