GrumpySmurf 0 #101 July 7, 2004 QuoteI guess you can call me selfish, but I want to live my life the way that I want to. Dude, I couldn't agree more with that whole message. I ain't changing to suit nobody. With like 3 billion women in the world - there gotta be at least one out there that can not only stand being around me, but I can also stand being around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #102 July 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteThus said a guy can be attached to a female and still easily play the field (yes, you guys do it so don't even try to say bull). Bull. People rise to their expectations. Guys who cheat want women who cheat because then there is no high ground. Utter bullshit. Mouth, I love you and this isn't directed at you, specifically. But when a man or woman cheats and everybody just shrugs and says "Of course", expect much more cheating. A father who cheats on his wife is also cheating on his children. Bah. As to only being able to "cheat" when married, what is anybody's word worth when they are committed prior to or without marriage, and they break that trust. Have the lawyers gotten into our pop culture so deep that the cheater will say "I never specifically told you that I wouldn't nail a hussy in the bathroom, so you have no grounds to bitch!" ? What nonsense. Actually, JP, I think we agree I just may not have expressed myself clearly. For some reason society says it is more ok for a guy to cheat than a girl. Personally I hate a cheater and a liar. As you know I'm on my "men suck and are all self centered jerks" kick right now. Not that it is directed at any of you so relax. Personally I'm happy single now and forever. Lots less to deal with than a guy who isn't honest and truthful. At least with myself I know where I stand. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #103 July 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteI'm weird in our society... I think I'm against the norm. Its seems that way sometimes huh? I think we need more guys like that though Jen How sad is this whole thing? Someone that doesn't cheat is a rare thing? Are people really that dumb? If you date someone be loyal - it's not that hard. Don't start flirting, don't allow yourself to emotionally (telling your SO that you think you are in love with someone else is just as damaging as sleeping with someone else) or physically cheat. Don't go into another relationship until the previous one is fully over or the divorce papers are signed (gotta love those religious hypocrits!). I've never once had an issue with being loyal, I've found loyalty to be the easiest thing in a relationship. So being 100% loyal your entire life is a hard thing? I can tell you first hand it isn't at all. It's simple - if you cheat on any level in any sort of relationship you are selfish, immature and most likely a huge asshole. Have some self control, respect for yourself and respect for those you have in your life. How can any of this be up for argument?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #104 July 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteCall it whatever you want, but I'm not going to pretend to be someone I'm not. I think it's much more selfish, lazy and stupid to latch onto someone for the rest of your life because you're afraid of being alone. Maybe, but alone at 80 is probably pretty fucking lonely. Kelly Why? Because society says so? Society says you should find one person to love, trust and grow with for the rest of your life. This is an illusion. It exists for the protection and perpetuation of the societal structure. Any benefit to the individuals involved is mostly serendipitous. Now, if you can find someone to share a loving, growing, fantastically hot and fun relationship for a year or so, I recommend going for it or you will still more than likely be alone at 80 and will have missed out on truck load of love, personal growth and fun Me? I'm one of those selfish guys. I settled for five ~two to three year relationships that were ...incredible. Intelligent, loving. adventurous, lustful, joyful relationships that were started with the clear understanding that we would not marry, have kids, buy a house, divorce, hate each other. They were the most incredible times of my life ...second only, perhaps, to the awesome years I had just to myself :) Interesting thing about women; The vast majority of middle aged women I've known haven't spent any significant times in their lives exploring the world and themselves. They pretty much moved from one relationship to another, eventually got married, had a kid or two, got divorced and then their lives were pretty much in the mold. The most incredible women I have know have spent years of their lives alone, unattached and exploring life and themselves. Don't knock the alone thing. If used well, it will make us better people. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #105 July 8, 2004 Quote How sad is this whole thing? Someone that doesn't cheat is a rare thing? actually I think that's kind of the point of the study... Quote Are people really that dumb? Yes Sometimes Quote If you date someone be loyal - it's not that hard. Don't start flirting, don't allow yourself to emotionally (telling your SO that you think you are in love with someone else is just as damaging as sleeping with someone else) or physically cheat. Don't go into another relationship until the previous one is fully over or the divorce papers are signed (gotta love those religious hypocrits!). I didn't say it was hard for me... and I know of people that have done just what you are saying they shouldn't be doing. i.e. starting another relationship before the last one was over... Quote I've never once had an issue with being loyal, I've found loyalty to be the easiest thing in a relationship. So being 100% loyal your entire life is a hard thing? I can tell you first hand it isn't at all. great... I'm glad to here there are people out there with values. Quote It's simple - if you cheat on any level in any sort of relationship you are selfish, immature and most likely a huge asshole. Have some self control, respect for yourself and respect for those you have in your life. How can any of this be up for argument? yes, unfortunately most people are selfish... it is a rare thing to find people that are not. I try not to be but even I have my moments. This Friday... screw work... I'm going skydiving... SLivin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #106 July 8, 2004 QuoteTrue, but if he had kept them at the schools they were at rather than moving them for a very marginal amount of money then the other variables of meeting new people and starting in a new area of the country wouldn't have been there - thus increasing the chance that the influence of mom and dad (and close familiy for that matter) would have had a great impact. Since when is meeting new people and moving to a new area a bad thing?? Families move all the time, and if anything, it is good for the kids. Moving constantly, every year or something, sure that could cause some havok, but moving ONCE when they were teens made them go psycho? So there were no bad kids to influence them in their old towns? I'm sure they would have encountered a few "bad seeds" there too. My father moved us to FL when I was 14. Yes, we moved for his career. Yes, I missed my friends at first, but I also learned a lot about another part of the country and about myself. There were no black or hispanic kids at my old school, and at my new school, a third of the kids spoke spanish fluently...that kind of thing. I learned how to make new friends and adapt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #107 July 8, 2004 Quoteyes, unfortunately most people are selfish... it is a rare thing to find people that are not. I try not to be but even I have my moments. This Friday... screw work... I'm going skydiving... S Ohh...I am far from perfect, and I have my selfish moments as well. However, I know that how I treat others is actually a reflection of who I am. It's not only how you treat the most important people in your life, it's also how you treat the most insignificant people in your life. For instance, those on here that consistently treat others poorly....well, you make your own conclusions._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
