hookitt 1 #76 July 1, 2004 QuoteThe Rigger broke the FAR's by not packing in accourdence with the manufactors instructions. It's not officially a reserve any more. The reserve is chestmounted.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #77 July 1, 2004 QuoteSorry...what's a skyhook? (I know it's Relative Workshop's new thing...but I don't really know how it works...thanks) http://www.relativeworkshop.com/products/pdt_skyhook.html Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #78 July 1, 2004 Hey TIMMAE! Could you clear up who can pack the "first reserve" in the main-"reserve" container? Does it have to be a rigger? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #79 July 1, 2004 hum sounds like a staticline base jump.... dosent the sorcer use a skyhook type device?Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #80 July 1, 2004 QuoteThe skyhook may not work. At that altitude, if the Skyhook had come off the reserve bridle, he may not have had enough altitude. Too risky for me. I agree. However.....Here's my thoughts I would have to guess, since it was packed slider down, the skyhook was VERY secure to the bridle. When I jumped it, it wasn't very secure. If I were to pull off that stunt, I'd practically sew the lanyard permenantly to the bridle. I would Secure the RSL riser side with a rapid link. The only thing I see truly wrong is this. If the first Main had a high speed malfunction, a slider down deployment of the second parachute would have sucked. It's true that rules were broken. But heck, I bet it was pretty fun to watch.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #81 July 1, 2004 QuoteHey TIMMAE! Could you clear up who can pack the "first reserve" in the main-"reserve" container? Does it have to be a rigger? No I can't clear that up. Because I don't know for certain. That "Reserve"has a lot of deployments on it. It's also attached to type 17 risers and a 3 ring release system. I can tell you this, I know who packed the one for me. Take a guess if he was supervised, or rated for that matter My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aubsmell 0 #82 July 1, 2004 what is your address, I need to send you those miniforce risers...... Aubrey"Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #83 July 2, 2004 QuoteI've some body armor i trust my life to as well, but i'm not about to let you empty a clip at me while wearing just it to demonstrate how 'cool' it is... What if I double dog dared you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #84 July 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI've some body armor i trust my life to as well, but i'm not about to let you empty a clip at me while wearing just it to demonstrate how 'cool' it is... What if I double dog dared you? I'm in. Pistol ammo, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #85 July 2, 2004 You crazy men need to stop. Why do you feel the need to prove how big and bad you are? -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #86 July 2, 2004 QuoteYou crazy men need to stop. Why do you feel the need to prove how big and bad you are? Probably because no matter how much they deny it, that kind of thing gets the hot chicks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #87 July 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou crazy men need to stop. Why do you feel the need to prove how big and bad you are? Probably because no matter how much they deny it, that kind of thing gets the hot chicks Doing something that crazy would be a quick way to get me to leave you so fast your head would spin. Geezm if you were with me and did that I'd think you didn't like being with me. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #88 July 2, 2004 Oh come now, it's only text. It ain't really gonna happen My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #89 July 2, 2004 Well, hopefully someone out there loves this guy. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #90 July 2, 2004 It's a joke sweetie. I have all five of my important Man Merit Badges: Big Man, Macho Man, Hero Man, Husband Man, and Dad-man. Shot At By PhillyKev Man would be like an Oak Leaf Cluster on the Macho Man Merit Badge, but not necessary. I'd kind of like to see the presentation, though. "For amazing testosterone-induced stupidity in the man-over-40 category, the nominee for Macho Man With Oak Leaf Cluster goes to....." I'ts me, Leese, relax. I haven't been shot at in years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #91 July 2, 2004 Awww, man! I was gonna slip a couple teflon coated rounds in just for kicks, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #92 July 2, 2004 QuoteI'ts me, Leese, relax. I haven't been shot at in years. You better keep it that way. And I don't find it funny at all.I hate for bad things to happen to people I love. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #93 July 2, 2004 I don't think you'd guess in a thousand years who the last people I went shooting with were. Great fun. We'll do some shooting in a safe remote place at the Holiday Boogie. No armor required. The Europeans line up like mad for that stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #94 July 2, 2004 I'll play with you all day. Just no shooting AT me or you or anyone else I love. No cutting away at 250 feet either damnit. This sport is dangerous enough let's be smart about it please. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #95 July 2, 2004 Anyone see the video of guys jumping wingsuits with base rigs and pulling at 150 feet? Thats 10X crazier than this. No BSRs or FARs broken in the process either, only cause it didn't happen in the US. No reserves, no time to even cut away the wings to flare. Damn near any malfunction would be fatal. But they were base jumpers (that had jumped out of a plane). If people are willing to take huge risks to push the limit, should they be stopped? This isn't guys with 100 jumps doing hook turns. This is experienced jumpers taking calculated risks that they're ok with. Video HERE. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #96 July 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe Rigger broke the FAR's by not packing in accourdence with the manufactors instructions. It's not officially a reserve any more. The reserve is chestmounted. Got you there Tim. Quote2. Pre-planned breakaway jumps are to be made by only class C- and D-license holders using FAA TSO'ed equipment. [E] The harness/container system here with the skyhook is a TSO'd system. The chest mount is an add-on. In order for a harness/container system to pass the TSO, it must be packed according to the manuf. instructions. No ifs ands or buts. To not follow the instructions renders the system unairworthy. If this rig really was packed slider down, the TSO was violated and the rig should have been grounded. Had an injury or death occured with it packed this way, the rigger signing off the pack job would have been liable. The addition of a chest mount is a moot point.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #97 July 2, 2004 (give me a break I was actually working hard when I posted... I've GOT to quit speed posting. ) I suppose your right. It is TSOed. The reserve that was in it is TSOed. (hee hee.. it's not a safety flyer though) I suppose that since it's got 100 plus deployments still makes it a reserve. The fact that it's connected by a 3ring release system on mini risers would still be considered TSOed. I'll have to agree with you though. It's a Planned Breakaway rig that probably is completely and even officially TSOed. I guess my point was, that the reserve has some JUMPS!!! The Back up reserve probably has 0 jumps. So it's a lot like jumping a main deployed from the reserve container. By the way, The rig is pretty cool. If I had one at my disposal, I do believe that antics displayed in the pictures would occur again. RWS isn't going to be very pleased with those pictures thoughMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #98 July 2, 2004 QuoteThe harness/container system here with the skyhook is a TSO'd system. The chest mount is an add-on. In order for a harness/container system to pass the TSO, it must be packed according to the manuf. instructions. No ifs ands or buts. To not follow the instructions renders the system unairworthy. If this rig really was packed slider down, the TSO was violated and the rig should have been grounded. Had an injury or death occured with it packed this way, the rigger signing off the pack job would have been liable. The addition of a chest mount is a moot point. I would have to agree with this. The H/C was TSO'd as a unit. It was not tested with a chest mount container attached. There is no way of knowing if where/how it was attached to the harness would take the load. So packing the reserve in that manner would be in violation of FAR Part 65.129 (e) and Part 105.43 (c). Since FAR's were violated the jump would be in violation of BSR's, SIM Section 2..1 B-1 But hell, even if the jump had been legal, it just proved that the guy was not the sharpest tool in the box. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #99 July 2, 2004 Have you seen the harness? It will beyond a doubt handle the load if the chest mount reserve is used. Ok.. rules aside... no one is denying that rules were broken. I'm not surprised that someone did this. It looks fun. If he is very knowledgeable and took precautions that the Skyhook would remain attached, I could see doing it. It's too bad that the pictures are posted. I believe it's going to stir some controversy ... beyond the dz.com cyber world. Rules. my other parachuting activity practically requires breaking certain rules. I'm willing to do that. I'm in no way condoning the cutaway if it was really at 250 feet. That's kinda nutz. But keep in mind, many people including myself have freefallen from lower. Using the skyhook rig, direct bagged with no slider on the canopy, the canopy is open in 90 feet or less. Probably less.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taylor610 0 #100 July 2, 2004 QuoteDamn near any malfunction would be fatal. But they were base jumpers (that had jumped out of a plane). If people are willing to take huge risks to push the limit, should they be stopped? This isn't guys with 100 jumps doing hook turns. This is experienced jumpers taking calculated risks that they're ok with. Once again, I will try to relay my point. A fatality, I don't care who it is, is a bad thing for the sport. "Calculated risk"??? I am assuming you are saying that these individuals "calculated" the financial impact this "stunt" would have on the DZ if it went bad, and that they had set aside that amount of money for the DZO and his staff to survive off of until business picked back up... Dave, the bottom line here is, this "stunt" was a very bad choice. Nothing happened this time, but look above your post, some ~30 jump wonder is going yeah I was there and it was cool and the tent swooping was cool... We are setting our selves and our sport up for disaster, if you support this type of "demonstration", then don't complain when the FAA tells the USPA, "OK we gave you a chance and you didn't do it, Now WE are going to REGULATE this sport. You think that things will be better then, cheaper then, safer then? Do you really think that any part of the actions of those people have done anything to "advance" the reputation of the sport of skydiving. I think not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
