wingnut 0 #1 June 28, 2004 okay so here is my situation.......... there are two dropzones at the airport 3 miles from my house... dropzone "A" hase a 182,206, and a caravan. Dropzone "B" has a Cessna 207 (looks like a stretched 206 for you that don't know what it is).. well my frinds run dropzone "B" and i just am friendly withthe other dzo's of dropzone A on a buisnesslevel as customer and owner (well besides some good times after the beer light has come one) well dropzone b asked me if i could help them out and fly video for some tandems they had so i said yes... i had been asked previously that dropzone "a" requseted that i not jump at B since they didn't want to contribute to my jumps helpingme get better so that i could work for A. well my friends were in a bind so i agreed and made 3 tandem video jumps yesterday for them and then went alongon a demo they had planed.......fast forward to today at about 1pm.... i go to dropzone A to try an get on a load and they say they have to talk to me..... wel they pretty much tell me that i have to choose, fun jump at thier dz (of which i've done about 50 jumps this year there) and not work or jump at dz B or that i was no longer welcome there as long as i jumped at dz B. well i try and stay out of politics and there is some good ones between these two dz's but i guess i got wraped up into it of my own doing... i jump(ed) at all 3 dz's in northern utah up untill today.......... now it's just 2 of the three........dz B won.......yes i passed on the caravan for a piston cessna dz with barely enough jumpers to send up a load withought a tandem..... so what would you do?????................... in all fairness though i do have to say this i think i parted on semi good terms with DZ "A" and loved jumping there and will miss the people. a great place to jump as long as you don't get mixed up in this paticular bit of polotics....... p.s. if you know what dz's i'm talking about please don't say cuz it's not my intention to bad mouth anyone....hence why i've taken off myhome dz on my profile so i'm not helping you eliminate whch one it was......... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 June 28, 2004 A dropzone being jealous? Tell them to fuck off, suck your dick or lick your asshole, which ever you want. I HATE bullshit like that. Around here there are quite a few DZs in a few hours drive, so folks tend to hop around quite a bit. No one cares, its fun, since you get to jump with a lot of other folks at different places and bring back new skills or new jumpers to your DZ.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeakMindedFool 0 #3 June 28, 2004 Yeah...pretty much fuck those assholes...Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #4 June 28, 2004 Dave, thats BS. It might have been understandable had you been working at both DZs and maybe caused a bit of a riff that way, similar to how some professions have you sign no-compete agreements (not skydiving mind you, just an example). They have no right to make a fun jumper chose between fun jumps or working at different DZ.Business and pleasure are to seperate situations. I'm glad you left on semi good terms though even if they were being petty.Hopefully you're better off this way.Thats MHO. "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #5 June 28, 2004 Well, from one of most "low time locals" here on dz.com, I have to say it's not even a question. My first home dz had some real BS issues with a rival just down the road (maybe fifteen minutes). I stayed out of it. If one told me I had to choose them or never come back, I would've had some very colorful and unique word combinations for them. If I were you, I'd miss the caravan, but to hell with all that garbage. Any DZO that thinks you paying your way onto his loads is him "helping you get batter" has some serious issues to think about. He is providing you a service just like any other fun jumper. If he wants to put conditions on it, he shouldn't be surprised when he is "helping out" one less jumper. I'm glad you stuck by your friends, and sorry this crap came to your doorstep.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,541 #6 June 28, 2004 They suck and you don't. That's sad they're putting customers into this situation. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flypunk 0 #7 June 28, 2004 That just plain sucks!!! there is no need for that withing the skydiving comunity. Yeah I second Dave on that one, fuck them. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pdj6p 0 #8 June 28, 2004 considering that dropzone b is only in existance because they wanted to drive dropzone a out of business, you can't expect dropzone a be happy with you helping them achieve those ends. Death is so permanant, and I'm just not ready for that kind of committment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #9 June 28, 2004 Quoteokay so here is my situation.......... there are two dropzones at the airport 3 miles from my house... dropzone "A" hase a 182,206, and a caravan. Dropzone "B" has a Cessna 207 (looks like a stretched 206 for you that don't know what it is).. well my frinds run dropzone "B" and i just am friendly withthe other dzo's of dropzone A on a buisnesslevel as customer and owner (well besides some good times after the beer light has come one) well dropzone b asked me if i could help them out and fly video for some tandems they had so i said yes... i had been asked previously that dropzone "a" requseted that i not jump at B since they didn't want to contribute to my jumps helpingme get better so that i could work for A. well my friends were in a bind so i agreed and made 3 tandem video jumps yesterday for them and then went alongon a demo they had planed.......fast forward to today at about 1pm.... i go to dropzone A to try an get on a load and they say they have to talk to me..... wel they pretty much tell me that i have to choose, fun jump at thier dz (of which i've done about 50 jumps this year there) and not work or jump at dz B or that i was no longer welcome there as long as i jumped at dz B. well i try and stay out of politics and there is some good ones between these two dz's but i guess i got wraped up into it of my own doing... i jump(ed) at all 3 dz's in northern utah up untill today.......... now it's just 2 of the three........dz B won.......yes i passed on the caravan for a piston cessna dz with barely enough jumpers to send up a load withought a tandem..... so what would you do?????................... in all fairness though i do have to say this i think i parted on semi good terms with DZ "A" and loved jumping there and will miss the people. a great place to jump as long as you don't get mixed up in this paticular bit of polotics....... p.s. if you know what dz's i'm talking about please don't say cuz it's not my intention to bad mouth anyone....hence why i've taken off myhome dz on my profile so i'm not helping you eliminate whch one it was......... I've seen and experienced this many times over the years. My answer is always the same, "sorry you choose to behave in this most dishonorable manner, cya ...if you ever see how out of line you are, give me a call, I'd love to jump here again." Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #10 June 28, 2004 Yeah what Dave said. It's your money and time you spend it where you wish. SCREW them DickheadsYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #11 June 28, 2004 Quoteconsidering that dropzone b is only in existance because they wanted to drive dropzone a out of business, you can't expect dropzone a be happy with you helping them achieve those ends. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Come up with all the excuses you want, it is piss poor behavior to lay something like that on a paying customer. Could that attitude be the reason the other DZ started up? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #12 June 28, 2004 Quoteconsidering that dropzone b is only in existance because they wanted to drive dropzone a out of business, you can't expect dropzone a be happy with you helping them achieve those ends. That's really not wingnut's problem. It does strike me as a way to make that a self fullfilling prophesy, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #13 June 28, 2004 Quoteconsidering that dropzone b is only in existance because they wanted to drive dropzone a out of business, you can't expect dropzone a be happy with you helping them achieve those ends actually it's just because they can... sometimes off hand comments get made that aren't the root of the reasons..........dz "B" has no chance to drive dz "A" ot of buisness.... they already had the tandems... and only make like 5 bucks a video after they paid me and paid for the slot and paid for the video tape.... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #14 June 28, 2004 Quotei had been asked previously that dropzone "a" requseted that i not jump at B since they didn't want to contribute to my jumps helpingme get better so that i could work for A. Huh? Don't follow, could someone who speaks wingnut please translate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #15 June 28, 2004 I would tell DZ "A" to pound sand up their asses. I am a CUSTOMER, not an employee. Plus, even if I was an employee...Unless I am full time I have the right to work other places. Like I said...if true...fuck em. I would also post the DZ name (Even though it would not be hard to find out who it is.)"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crutch 0 #16 June 28, 2004 What Ron says.....and to add to that, these owners need to get a life. If drop zone A has no financial ties to you (you work full time for them, you would leave them in a bind, etc.) I would definitely opt for drop zone B. We have this same situation down here in Florida with videomen, instructors and pilots. The drop zone owners though are much more forgivng about people going to other dz's when your "home" dz may not be the "happeng" place on a particular weekend.blue skies, art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #17 June 28, 2004 The folks at DZ A owe you an apology. They have absolutely no right to try and intimidate you out of making any choice in your life. They don't own you and have absolutely no say so about any personal decision in your life. If they are so immature they act like that then they have no business running a dz. If the owner of DZ-A is reading this, hey: Fuck You. Bullshit intimidation tactics like that are uncalled for. This is a FUN sport and shyte like you've just pulled has no place in it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #18 June 28, 2004 Going to dropzone B would be my choice as well. And, I would post dropzone A's name up so that other people who disagree with that type of tactics can ensure they never go to dropzone A.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #19 June 28, 2004 QuoteGoing to dropzone B would be my choice as well. And, I would post dropzone A's name up so that other people who disagree with that type of tactics can ensure they never go to dropzone A. I agree...I have heard of a lot of BS from DZs as well, and this is probably some of the worst. What you do and where, is your business. Attitudes like that turn people off of DZs and sometimes to skydiving altogether. ~R+R...I'm tired, need sleep...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #20 June 28, 2004 Typical skydiving B.S. Good job standing up to the DZ, too many people buckle under. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #21 June 28, 2004 I'll just go ahead and confirm what every other person in this thread has said: I would tell DZ A to take their caravan and shove it up their ass. That DZO is a fucker, regardless of what kind of relationship you may have had before. Competition is the name of the game, and if I was shopping at Express and they told me I couldn't go to Banana Republic (not like I have the money for either ), I would tell them to go fuck themselves. If someone can't handle competition, maybe they shouldn't be a business owner. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #22 June 28, 2004 QuoteThat just plain sucks!!! there is no need for that withing the skydiving comunity. Yeah I second Dave on that one, fuck them. Yep - Fuckem Fuckem Hard - and fuckem good!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #23 June 28, 2004 dz "B" has no chance to drive dz "A" ot of buisness....Quote Yes they do! Or rather DZ A will drive THEMSELVES out of business with customer support plan like theirs. The just have to sting enough of the right bunch of customers and they will go across the street. Bigger aircraft, if needed, are just a phone call away. Let the word get out. This is how they treat people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites catfishhunter 2 #24 June 28, 2004 ---- all I got to say about that. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #25 June 28, 2004 Tell them they lost a customer for life(and let them ponder the economic impact of that!!!)No reason why everyone cant get along......and most people I know dont respond well to ultimatums.....particularly from a business that they patronize!!!What a bunch of idiots!!!!!!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Ron 10 #15 June 28, 2004 I would tell DZ "A" to pound sand up their asses. I am a CUSTOMER, not an employee. Plus, even if I was an employee...Unless I am full time I have the right to work other places. Like I said...if true...fuck em. I would also post the DZ name (Even though it would not be hard to find out who it is.)"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crutch 0 #16 June 28, 2004 What Ron says.....and to add to that, these owners need to get a life. If drop zone A has no financial ties to you (you work full time for them, you would leave them in a bind, etc.) I would definitely opt for drop zone B. We have this same situation down here in Florida with videomen, instructors and pilots. The drop zone owners though are much more forgivng about people going to other dz's when your "home" dz may not be the "happeng" place on a particular weekend.blue skies, art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #17 June 28, 2004 The folks at DZ A owe you an apology. They have absolutely no right to try and intimidate you out of making any choice in your life. They don't own you and have absolutely no say so about any personal decision in your life. If they are so immature they act like that then they have no business running a dz. If the owner of DZ-A is reading this, hey: Fuck You. Bullshit intimidation tactics like that are uncalled for. This is a FUN sport and shyte like you've just pulled has no place in it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #18 June 28, 2004 Going to dropzone B would be my choice as well. And, I would post dropzone A's name up so that other people who disagree with that type of tactics can ensure they never go to dropzone A.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #19 June 28, 2004 QuoteGoing to dropzone B would be my choice as well. And, I would post dropzone A's name up so that other people who disagree with that type of tactics can ensure they never go to dropzone A. I agree...I have heard of a lot of BS from DZs as well, and this is probably some of the worst. What you do and where, is your business. Attitudes like that turn people off of DZs and sometimes to skydiving altogether. ~R+R...I'm tired, need sleep...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #20 June 28, 2004 Typical skydiving B.S. Good job standing up to the DZ, too many people buckle under. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #21 June 28, 2004 I'll just go ahead and confirm what every other person in this thread has said: I would tell DZ A to take their caravan and shove it up their ass. That DZO is a fucker, regardless of what kind of relationship you may have had before. Competition is the name of the game, and if I was shopping at Express and they told me I couldn't go to Banana Republic (not like I have the money for either ), I would tell them to go fuck themselves. If someone can't handle competition, maybe they shouldn't be a business owner. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #22 June 28, 2004 QuoteThat just plain sucks!!! there is no need for that withing the skydiving comunity. Yeah I second Dave on that one, fuck them. Yep - Fuckem Fuckem Hard - and fuckem good!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #23 June 28, 2004 dz "B" has no chance to drive dz "A" ot of buisness....Quote Yes they do! Or rather DZ A will drive THEMSELVES out of business with customer support plan like theirs. The just have to sting enough of the right bunch of customers and they will go across the street. Bigger aircraft, if needed, are just a phone call away. Let the word get out. This is how they treat people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites catfishhunter 2 #24 June 28, 2004 ---- all I got to say about that. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #25 June 28, 2004 Tell them they lost a customer for life(and let them ponder the economic impact of that!!!)No reason why everyone cant get along......and most people I know dont respond well to ultimatums.....particularly from a business that they patronize!!!What a bunch of idiots!!!!!!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
catfishhunter 2 #24 June 28, 2004 ---- all I got to say about that. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #25 June 28, 2004 Tell them they lost a customer for life(and let them ponder the economic impact of that!!!)No reason why everyone cant get along......and most people I know dont respond well to ultimatums.....particularly from a business that they patronize!!!What a bunch of idiots!!!!!!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
