cvfd1399 0 #1 June 6, 2004 Ok I have been trying to think of ways that you can survive TOTAL mals. I am talking nothing out main or reserve. In my perfect scenario a person still could track and fall stable. Ok here is what I had in mind. You know the big air bags that stunt men jump off of objects on, and the huge pits of chunked foam that people jump into, and practice dirtbike freestyle tricks into. I was wondering if you had all the money for this project that you could build a 100'X100' foam pit that you would be able track over and fall into. I know that it would have to slow you down gradually, so maybe you would have different densities of foam and layer it in a way that you would slow down at a reasonable rate. If need be there could be a inflatable bag under the foam as the "final stage" of deceleration. Is 100'X100' a reasonable size target to land on? I know at pull altitude it seems that you are directly over the DZ, but could you really land into a pit of that size? I have no clue how tall this pit would have to be to hold the different layers of foam and bag, but it could be protected from the elements by having a waterproof canvas on the top that would rip away as you fall into the pit. There also would be the thought of if you have to fall into so much foam that you might suffocate. In that case there would be a quick way to get someone out of the pit. Even if you did pass out for a few minutes until someone got to you the chances of living without air for a few minutes would be alot better than 130 mph into the ground. Anyone that has heard of the same thought, or might know if it will work or any problems that would need to be addressed would be a help to me getting over this. Like I said you would have all the money, would be able to fly yourself over the area, and no I am not on narcotics or drugs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hazarrd 1 #2 June 6, 2004 dude, what the hell is wrong with you. and why would you want to do that anyways? .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #3 June 6, 2004 I come up with ideas like this alot lol. Come on what do ya think could it ever work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hazarrd 1 #4 June 6, 2004 i guess it could work, with unlimited money you can make anything work. figuring out all the obstacles involved would be the hard part. and im sure people would die testing it. if you ever build one let me know, ill be the guinea pig. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dustin19d 0 #5 June 6, 2004 You need to get out of this sport!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites genoyamamoto 0 #6 June 6, 2004 Depends what sort of acceleration you want the persons body to feel. Average freefall speed is ~180 ft/sec. v = at d = 1/2 at^2 d = 1/2 v^2/a If you think the body can handle a 1g acceleration (deceleration) to stop, then you'd need to dig a hole ~506 feet deep. 1g = 32 ft/sec^2 Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #7 June 6, 2004 Well fighter pilots pull 9.0+ G's. that cuts down the time needed to stop compared to 1G. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrhoop 0 #8 June 6, 2004 If you did not have a main and reserve out you could not have a double mal.(ever) I think if you had any parachute attatched (to you), it would be hard to track to your pit. Are you sure about the drugs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #9 June 6, 2004 You come to a near stop in a whole lot less distance than that during opening. I've also thought about this, except that it should be done as a stunt for big money. Another stunt I've thought of: Freefall from high altitude into that sink hole in Mexico. Doing it from a couple hundred feet is wimpyPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #10 June 6, 2004 How's about an inflatable jump suit, with valves that would let the air escape on impact, so the suit doesn't burst ? When all else fails, you tug on the panic chord and inflate the suit from a gas cylinder tucked away between your legs. Then when you hit, the compressed gas starts venting out the valves and you start bouncing and blowing around like a baloon that somebody lets go of without having tied the end shut. Of course you'd make a big funny farting noise like a whoopie cushion, but WTF if it's working ? I think the deeper question is whether the sport can ever be completely safe. The answer is no and we just have to either accept it or move on. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #11 June 6, 2004 It was just a off the cuff idea I was wondering about. You leave the sport first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #12 June 6, 2004 QuoteIt was just a off the cuff idea I was wondering about. You leave the sport first. Class no fighting IMO some of these ideas are amusing to say the least I think the way the big boy stunt guy's in hollywood try these off the cuff ideas is they do the math, build a full size mockup and use a expensive dummy with instrumentation an try the stunt. If the dummy gets injuried back to the drawing board until the the dummy and the stunt person are happy! And try some more to ensure that the risk is acceptable. Getting paid for a stunt and not being able to spend the money would suck. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #13 June 6, 2004 Call it "the last pit resort".Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites thelem 0 #14 June 6, 2004 Assuming that it is a total mal, ie you don't have anything trailing behind you to stop you tracking, do you think you would be able to track into any pit which didn't fill the whole DZ? By the time you find out you haven't got any parachute, you are probably around 1,000 or below, not much time to track to the pit. Nice idea though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #15 June 6, 2004 QuoteOk I have been trying to think of ways that you can survive TOTAL mals. Been done before....Its called luck QuoteIf need be there could be a inflatable bag under the foam as the "final stage" of deceleration The ground works well for "Final stage deceleration" Actually this has sort of been done. A guy did a freefall from I want to say 300 feet out of a helicopter into a BIG airbag."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #16 June 6, 2004 QuoteAnother stunt I've thought of: Freefall from high altitude into that sink hole in Mexico. Doing it from a couple hundred feet is wimpy I really hope you are joking...As far as I am concerend that dude has such a large pair that he must wear out underware everyday."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #17 June 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnother stunt I've thought of: Freefall from high altitude into that sink hole in Mexico. Doing it from a couple hundred feet is wimpy I really hope you are joking...As far as I am concerend that dude has such a large pair that he must wear out underware everyday. Hi Ron I think you might be refering to Mr B.J Worth he's a (pro skydiving movie stunt guy) my guess they did some dummy tests and maybe the dummy missed the hole at higher altitudes. I thinkMr Worth also did the James Bond skydiving stunts. (he wasn't James bond) R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #18 June 6, 2004 Do you remember the stunt, from the helicopter just a couple hundred feet over the sink hole? In my opinion, it was not worthy of the attention it received. But from high altitude, deploying just as you pass into it, that would be a real stunt.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #19 June 6, 2004 Cool... We used to talk about that stuff years ago, during (ahem) Safety Meetings? Instead of foam... You get this HUGE net...and really deep hole. Have some kind of progressive deceleration system to retard the velocity within acceptable human tolerance range. Counterweights...hydraulics... OR... A couple of really high poles with a wire stretched across them... wire continues all the way to the ground on both poles with suitable weight attached to both ends... As a "Last Resort" you track toward the poles and capture the wire with your newly TSO'd 'Relativeworkplace' TAIL HOOK". ...A plus to that system is that on low ceiling days, the cable could be retracted down... and used to 'Launch' jumpers to altitude! (Beep Beep!...Damn that Roadrunner!) Toward the end of those 'Safety Meetings" one guy always seemed to pretty much have the same thought on his mind... And would find a way to work it into whatever topic was being discussed that day. As I recall, on THIS subject his interjection went something alone the lines of... "Make pit...100 x 100 x 300 deep... FILL it with Twinkies..... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #20 June 6, 2004 I was wondering how long it would take to get moved!? Probably my fault...Twinkies reference! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #21 June 6, 2004 Quotedude, what the hell is wrong with you. and why would you want to do that anyways? He's bored. His cable tv must have got disconnected. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #22 June 6, 2004 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dude, what the hell is wrong with you. and why would you want to do that anyways? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He's bored. His cable tv must have got disconnected. Quote Guys! ALL great ideas have to come from somewhere... Your comments are probably the same ones made to old "Ogg" centuries ago... When he looked out his cave at a dinosaur and said... "Gimme the A-1, I'm gonna go eat that sumbitch!" Our kids-kids will be working out like crazy to make the Olympic "Free Fall~Foam Pit" Finals!! You'll see! Yeah...yeah, ...That's the Ticket! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KolinskyDC 0 #23 June 6, 2004 I think about this kind of stuff often. I thought of a big inflated air bag like in the movie "The Game" where he jumps off the building thinking he is killing himself but lands in a big air bag. Never did I think of foam though, sounds interesting. I have actually wondered if we could have an air bag on the front of our rigs that opens just before impact. Not sure of how the timing would work on that though. You would either have to activate it yourself, kind of hard to time that just right or have some sort of sensor in the air bag. I do not think it is foolish to think of this stuff, never put down someone's ideas or listen to someone who puts yours down. A lot of great inventions that we use today were once laughed at and not taken seriously. Just trying to make this sport a little safer, maybe something like this will be commonplace in the future. Melissa "May the best of your past be the worst of your future" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bertusgeert 1 #24 June 6, 2004 Haha, thats awesome mate You have 12 jumps, and you're tired of packing already?!?!?!?!?! I think that coming up with these ideas is great, its fun to dream a little as well! How sweet would that be. Think about it, one day, they will have accuracy competitions based on where you impact, rather than where you land!!! I wonder how accurate you can be? interesting question. I think it would be great having rings to fall through in freefall, if it wasn't so dangerous, kinda like that game on your nokia phone! Keep thinking of this stuff, please just dont try it mate! (at least let me know so that I can go grab my camera!) --------------------------------------------- As jy dom is moet jy bloei! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeJD 0 #25 June 8, 2004 Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper just to, like, pack carefully? Seriously, though - the way parachute gear is designed and packed now, having just one reserve option has already made us safer in the air than we are on the drive home from the dropzone. I think adding another layer of redundancy would just complicate things. It is fun to think about this kind of thing, though. Who remembers the movie a few years back with Ellen Barkin (Siesta?) in which she was supposed to perform a stunt by freefalling from a plane into a net (I think)? I don't believe she ever does it, so you don't get to see how they thought it was going to work... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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Hazarrd 1 #2 June 6, 2004 dude, what the hell is wrong with you. and why would you want to do that anyways? .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #3 June 6, 2004 I come up with ideas like this alot lol. Come on what do ya think could it ever work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #4 June 6, 2004 i guess it could work, with unlimited money you can make anything work. figuring out all the obstacles involved would be the hard part. and im sure people would die testing it. if you ever build one let me know, ill be the guinea pig. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dustin19d 0 #5 June 6, 2004 You need to get out of this sport!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #6 June 6, 2004 Depends what sort of acceleration you want the persons body to feel. Average freefall speed is ~180 ft/sec. v = at d = 1/2 at^2 d = 1/2 v^2/a If you think the body can handle a 1g acceleration (deceleration) to stop, then you'd need to dig a hole ~506 feet deep. 1g = 32 ft/sec^2 Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #7 June 6, 2004 Well fighter pilots pull 9.0+ G's. that cuts down the time needed to stop compared to 1G. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrhoop 0 #8 June 6, 2004 If you did not have a main and reserve out you could not have a double mal.(ever) I think if you had any parachute attatched (to you), it would be hard to track to your pit. Are you sure about the drugs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #9 June 6, 2004 You come to a near stop in a whole lot less distance than that during opening. I've also thought about this, except that it should be done as a stunt for big money. Another stunt I've thought of: Freefall from high altitude into that sink hole in Mexico. Doing it from a couple hundred feet is wimpyPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #10 June 6, 2004 How's about an inflatable jump suit, with valves that would let the air escape on impact, so the suit doesn't burst ? When all else fails, you tug on the panic chord and inflate the suit from a gas cylinder tucked away between your legs. Then when you hit, the compressed gas starts venting out the valves and you start bouncing and blowing around like a baloon that somebody lets go of without having tied the end shut. Of course you'd make a big funny farting noise like a whoopie cushion, but WTF if it's working ? I think the deeper question is whether the sport can ever be completely safe. The answer is no and we just have to either accept it or move on. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #11 June 6, 2004 It was just a off the cuff idea I was wondering about. You leave the sport first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #12 June 6, 2004 QuoteIt was just a off the cuff idea I was wondering about. You leave the sport first. Class no fighting IMO some of these ideas are amusing to say the least I think the way the big boy stunt guy's in hollywood try these off the cuff ideas is they do the math, build a full size mockup and use a expensive dummy with instrumentation an try the stunt. If the dummy gets injuried back to the drawing board until the the dummy and the stunt person are happy! And try some more to ensure that the risk is acceptable. Getting paid for a stunt and not being able to spend the money would suck. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #13 June 6, 2004 Call it "the last pit resort".Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelem 0 #14 June 6, 2004 Assuming that it is a total mal, ie you don't have anything trailing behind you to stop you tracking, do you think you would be able to track into any pit which didn't fill the whole DZ? By the time you find out you haven't got any parachute, you are probably around 1,000 or below, not much time to track to the pit. Nice idea though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #15 June 6, 2004 QuoteOk I have been trying to think of ways that you can survive TOTAL mals. Been done before....Its called luck QuoteIf need be there could be a inflatable bag under the foam as the "final stage" of deceleration The ground works well for "Final stage deceleration" Actually this has sort of been done. A guy did a freefall from I want to say 300 feet out of a helicopter into a BIG airbag."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #16 June 6, 2004 QuoteAnother stunt I've thought of: Freefall from high altitude into that sink hole in Mexico. Doing it from a couple hundred feet is wimpy I really hope you are joking...As far as I am concerend that dude has such a large pair that he must wear out underware everyday."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #17 June 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnother stunt I've thought of: Freefall from high altitude into that sink hole in Mexico. Doing it from a couple hundred feet is wimpy I really hope you are joking...As far as I am concerend that dude has such a large pair that he must wear out underware everyday. Hi Ron I think you might be refering to Mr B.J Worth he's a (pro skydiving movie stunt guy) my guess they did some dummy tests and maybe the dummy missed the hole at higher altitudes. I thinkMr Worth also did the James Bond skydiving stunts. (he wasn't James bond) R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #18 June 6, 2004 Do you remember the stunt, from the helicopter just a couple hundred feet over the sink hole? In my opinion, it was not worthy of the attention it received. But from high altitude, deploying just as you pass into it, that would be a real stunt.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #19 June 6, 2004 Cool... We used to talk about that stuff years ago, during (ahem) Safety Meetings? Instead of foam... You get this HUGE net...and really deep hole. Have some kind of progressive deceleration system to retard the velocity within acceptable human tolerance range. Counterweights...hydraulics... OR... A couple of really high poles with a wire stretched across them... wire continues all the way to the ground on both poles with suitable weight attached to both ends... As a "Last Resort" you track toward the poles and capture the wire with your newly TSO'd 'Relativeworkplace' TAIL HOOK". ...A plus to that system is that on low ceiling days, the cable could be retracted down... and used to 'Launch' jumpers to altitude! (Beep Beep!...Damn that Roadrunner!) Toward the end of those 'Safety Meetings" one guy always seemed to pretty much have the same thought on his mind... And would find a way to work it into whatever topic was being discussed that day. As I recall, on THIS subject his interjection went something alone the lines of... "Make pit...100 x 100 x 300 deep... FILL it with Twinkies..... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #20 June 6, 2004 I was wondering how long it would take to get moved!? Probably my fault...Twinkies reference! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #21 June 6, 2004 Quotedude, what the hell is wrong with you. and why would you want to do that anyways? He's bored. His cable tv must have got disconnected. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #22 June 6, 2004 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dude, what the hell is wrong with you. and why would you want to do that anyways? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He's bored. His cable tv must have got disconnected. Quote Guys! ALL great ideas have to come from somewhere... Your comments are probably the same ones made to old "Ogg" centuries ago... When he looked out his cave at a dinosaur and said... "Gimme the A-1, I'm gonna go eat that sumbitch!" Our kids-kids will be working out like crazy to make the Olympic "Free Fall~Foam Pit" Finals!! You'll see! Yeah...yeah, ...That's the Ticket! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KolinskyDC 0 #23 June 6, 2004 I think about this kind of stuff often. I thought of a big inflated air bag like in the movie "The Game" where he jumps off the building thinking he is killing himself but lands in a big air bag. Never did I think of foam though, sounds interesting. I have actually wondered if we could have an air bag on the front of our rigs that opens just before impact. Not sure of how the timing would work on that though. You would either have to activate it yourself, kind of hard to time that just right or have some sort of sensor in the air bag. I do not think it is foolish to think of this stuff, never put down someone's ideas or listen to someone who puts yours down. A lot of great inventions that we use today were once laughed at and not taken seriously. Just trying to make this sport a little safer, maybe something like this will be commonplace in the future. Melissa "May the best of your past be the worst of your future" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bertusgeert 1 #24 June 6, 2004 Haha, thats awesome mate You have 12 jumps, and you're tired of packing already?!?!?!?!?! I think that coming up with these ideas is great, its fun to dream a little as well! How sweet would that be. Think about it, one day, they will have accuracy competitions based on where you impact, rather than where you land!!! I wonder how accurate you can be? interesting question. I think it would be great having rings to fall through in freefall, if it wasn't so dangerous, kinda like that game on your nokia phone! Keep thinking of this stuff, please just dont try it mate! (at least let me know so that I can go grab my camera!) --------------------------------------------- As jy dom is moet jy bloei! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #25 June 8, 2004 Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper just to, like, pack carefully? Seriously, though - the way parachute gear is designed and packed now, having just one reserve option has already made us safer in the air than we are on the drive home from the dropzone. I think adding another layer of redundancy would just complicate things. It is fun to think about this kind of thing, though. Who remembers the movie a few years back with Ellen Barkin (Siesta?) in which she was supposed to perform a stunt by freefalling from a plane into a net (I think)? I don't believe she ever does it, so you don't get to see how they thought it was going to work... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
