erdnarob 1 #1 May 10, 2010 A recent conversation I had with skydivers was about the possibility of falling in your canopy after a drastic series of manoeuvers. Some thought it was possible after doing a deep stall and letting go the toggles suddenly while some other thought it was impossible due to the centrifugal forces keeping the lines taut. Maybe the first question should be "is it possible to get your own canopy below you while flying it ?" Anybody having seen (or heard about) this unusual experience or comments about it ?Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #2 May 10, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxCLmNOEb7A&feature=related ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #3 May 10, 2010 QuoteA recent conversation I had with skydivers was about the possibility of falling in your canopy after a drastic series of manoeuvers. Some thought it was possible after doing a deep stall and letting go the toggles suddenly while some other thought it was impossible due to the centrifugal forces keeping the lines taut. Maybe the first question should be "is it possible to get your own canopy below you while flying it ?" Anybody having seen (or heard about) this unusual experience or comments about it ? I discussed this with my first instructor long ago. I was told the the line set on skydiving canopies does not allow to create this kind of deadly warp, although it might be done with paragliding equipment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoryJ 0 #4 May 10, 2010 Talk to Brian Germaine about this, I am pretty sure that he came close to pulling it off a few years back, too.Not again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #5 May 10, 2010 Quote Talk to Brian Germaine about this, I am pretty sure that he came close to pulling it off a few years back, too. isnt that story even in "the parachute and its pilot", or "transcending fear"!? i kinda think i remember reading about it.. anyway, both good books to read.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #6 May 10, 2010 QuoteA recent conversation I had with skydivers was about the possibility of falling in your canopy after a drastic series of manoeuvers. Some thought it was possible after doing a deep stall and letting go the toggles suddenly while some other thought it was impossible due to the centrifugal forces keeping the lines taut. Maybe the first question should be "is it possible to get your own canopy below you while flying it ?" Anybody having seen (or heard about) this unusual experience or comments about it ? Sure it's possible. I have only seen it done on video of a highly loaded smaller canopy - after a speed inducing dive the pilot made an aggressive move and completed a barrel roll. I can imagine if not donw quickly enough or with enough speed one could fall into the lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #7 May 10, 2010 Quote Quote A recent conversation I had with skydivers was about the possibility of falling in your canopy after a drastic series of manoeuvers. Some thought it was possible after doing a deep stall and letting go the toggles suddenly while some other thought it was impossible due to the centrifugal forces keeping the lines taut. Maybe the first question should be "is it possible to get your own canopy below you while flying it ?" Anybody having seen (or heard about) this unusual experience or comments about it ? Sure it's possible. I have only seen it done on video of a highly loaded smaller canopy - after a speed inducing dive the pilot made an aggressive move and completed a barrel roll. I can imagine if not donw quickly enough or with enough speed one could fall into the lines. *hint*back-risers*hint* err, cough-cough!? speed is VERY important.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #8 May 10, 2010 There was a fatality October 25th, 1998 in Delaware caused by someone falling through his own canopy. It was the day of my first jump at a nearby DZ. I believe he was trying to loop his canopy. Can't find the incident report right now... Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #9 May 10, 2010 We also have to be careful to distinguish between getting caught up in lines, and the canopy itself. The former is bad too although technically not falling into your canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadNinja 0 #10 May 10, 2010 Quote Quote Talk to Brian Germaine about this, I am pretty sure that he came close to pulling it off a few years back, too. isnt that story even in "the parachute and its pilot", or "transcending fear"!? i kinda think i remember reading about it.. anyway, both good books to read.. Yes, it was in "parachute and its pilot". And while I liked that book very much, I really can't say the same about Transcending Fear. Couldn't even finish that one. Haha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #11 May 10, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Talk to Brian Germaine about this, I am pretty sure that he came close to pulling it off a few years back, too. isnt that story even in "the parachute and its pilot", or "transcending fear"!? i kinda think i remember reading about it.. anyway, both good books to read.. Yes, it was in "parachute and its pilot". And while I liked that book very much, I really can't say the same about Transcending Fear. Couldn't even finish that one. Haha. fair enough; i'ts kind hard to finish as a skydiver; but int their intentions, and the public they try to answer, both books are very good.. to be honest, i didnt like "transcending fear" much either, but anyway, both were good books for the beginning skydiver.. :)“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #12 May 10, 2010 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxCLmNOEb7A&feature=related Holy shit!!! Im trying that this weekend.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #13 May 10, 2010 It most certainly is possible, and I've directly seen the malfunction that resulted and it was UGLY. It's not so much doing a deep stall and letting up (that can cause line twists), but doing the barrel roll that you saw posted in the youtube video. Not having enough energy to complete the roll can result in you falling onto the canopy. As a result, no matter how cool the barrel roll looks, it is one thing that I have never attempted, and never will. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #14 May 11, 2010 Let me just go on record as saying that it's not possible.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 May 11, 2010 Possible or not, it sure scared the hell out of me when I first intentionally stalled my first square canopy followed by the stupid panic that let the toggles back up like they were shot out of a canon. Seeing the horizon well above the canopy and the slack lines gave me the mental image of a Christmas present. Yes, I had prior warning about the let-up.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #16 May 11, 2010 QuoteLet me just go on record as saying that it's not possible. John LeBlanc begs to differ: http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_Disciplines_C3/Swooping_and_Canopy_Control_F4/Canopy_Aerobatics_P112305/#112255 No question, a poorly executed attempt at a barrel roll can end badly. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #17 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteLet me just go on record as saying that it's not possible. John LeBlanc begs to differ: http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_Disciplines_C3/Swooping_and_Canopy_Control_F4/Canopy_Aerobatics_P112305/#112255 No question, a poorly executed attempt at a barrel roll can end badly. _Am What the fuck does that guy know about parachute flight? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #18 May 11, 2010 Quote In Reply To In Reply To Let me just go on record as saying that it's not possible. John LeBlanc begs to differ: http://www.dropzone.com/...tics_P112305/#112255 No question, a poorly executed attempt at a barrel roll can end badly. _Am What the fuck does that guy know about parachute flight? Are you serious or just joking around? You do know who John LeBlanc is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #19 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuote In Reply To In Reply To Let me just go on record as saying that it's not possible. John LeBlanc begs to differ: http://www.dropzone.com/...tics_P112305/#112255 No question, a poorly executed attempt at a barrel roll can end badly. _Am What the fuck does that guy know about parachute flight? Are you serious or just joking around? You do know who John LeBlanc is? He's like, um, the dude who answers the phone for Icarus right? Am I close? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadNinja 0 #20 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote In Reply To In Reply To Let me just go on record as saying that it's not possible. John LeBlanc begs to differ: http://www.dropzone.com/...tics_P112305/#112255 No question, a poorly executed attempt at a barrel roll can end badly. _Am What the fuck does that guy know about parachute flight? Are you serious or just joking around? You do know who John LeBlanc is? He's like, um, the dude who answers the phone for Icarus right? Am I close? LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrEaK_aCcIdEnT 0 #21 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote In Reply To In Reply To Let me just go on record as saying that it's not possible. John LeBlanc begs to differ: http://www.dropzone.com/...tics_P112305/#112255 No question, a poorly executed attempt at a barrel roll can end badly. _Am What the fuck does that guy know about parachute flight? Are you serious or just joking around? You do know who John LeBlanc is? He's like, um, the dude who answers the phone for Icarus right? Am I close? Click here young grass hopper... ExPeCt ThE uNeXpEcTeD! DoNt MiNd ThE tYpOs, Im LaZy On CoRrEcTiOnS! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cueb 0 #22 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuote In Reply To In Reply To Let me just go on record as saying that it's not possible. John LeBlanc begs to differ: http://www.dropzone.com/...tics_P112305/#112255 No question, a poorly executed attempt at a barrel roll can end badly. _Am What the fuck does that guy know about parachute flight? Are you serious or just joking around? You do know who John LeBlanc is? that should be so obvious to be sarcasm it doesn't even need a smiley after it imo. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadNinja 0 #23 May 12, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Let me just go on record as saying that it's not possible. John LeBlanc begs to differ: http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_Disciplines_C3/Swooping_and_Canopy_Control_F4/Canopy_Aerobatics_P112305/#112255 No question, a poorly executed attempt at a barrel roll can end badly. _Am What the fuck does that guy know about parachute flight? It would seem that your sarcasm was a little too subtle for this crowd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #24 May 12, 2010 ...a crowd of 1 or 2? But then, I'm at an advantage...I've met Wildcard. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrEaK_aCcIdEnT 0 #25 May 12, 2010 Quote ...a crowd of 1 or 2? But then, I'm at an advantage...I've met Wildcard. I thought it takes 3 to be a crowd? ExPeCt ThE uNeXpEcTeD! DoNt MiNd ThE tYpOs, Im LaZy On CoRrEcTiOnS! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
