happythoughts 0 #26 May 13, 2004 QuoteSo, is there anything at all on that site that hasn't been debunked? I personally can't believe that Fox special ever got on the air. It was a show that proposed the the reality of the moon landing was actually fiction. There are other shows that are called "reality" shows that are little more than fiction. Irony? Television programming is entertainment. Remember the show about the existence of Atlantis, hosted by Leonard Nimoy? Any show featuring Tammy Faye Baker? Baywatch? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #27 May 13, 2004 If I remember correctly...Part of the lander stays on the Moon when they leave right? Well has anyone ever tried to find it on the surface of the moon with a telescope?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #28 May 13, 2004 QuoteRemember the show about the existence of Atlantis, hosted by Leonard Nimoy? Any show featuring Tammy Faye Baker? Baywatch? Hey! Baywatch was a documentary wasn't it? Don't ruin my image of SoCal. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #29 May 13, 2004 QuoteBaywatch was a documentary wasn't it? More of a gift to the world. Sharing images of happiness and goodness. Imagine if Mother Theresa had her own tv show. Same basic concept except with skin-tight bathing suits, nippies, and slow motion running. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #30 May 13, 2004 "Imagine if Mother Theresa had her own tv show. Same basic concept except with skin-tight bathing suits, nippies, and slow motion running." I'd probably devote as much time to Theresa Watch as I currently do to Baywatch. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #31 May 13, 2004 QuoteSame basic concept except with skin-tight bathing suits, nippies, and slow motion running. Ahhhhhhhhh, . . . . . SHOW ME THE BOOBIES! I'm sorry, were you saying something?? Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #32 May 13, 2004 Well, I gave a refresher class to astronaut John Young the other day. I can ask him about it if ya wish.......He's of course on the inactive roster, however he is definitely active here at NASA. Some highlights of his career: He walked on the moon in 72', Apollo 16 and flew the first STS mission. He's a helluva nice guy to boot.... Buck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #33 May 13, 2004 Absolutely, we did not land on the moon. There is no actual concrete evidence that says we did, other than what the government says happened. I mean, it was on tv, but big deal. I have seen the White House blown to bits on tv. Plus, no other country has been there or seems to care about going. I think it was just Hollywood and was to make us feel good about our status in the world. Don't get me wrong. I am not one of those anti-government, conspiracy theory type guys. Quite the opposite really. But I just have never seen any real proof of having been to the moon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #34 May 13, 2004 Quote But I just have never seen any real proof of having been to the moon. Then explain to me where the rocks they supposedly brought back came from. They sure didn't come from Earth.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #35 May 13, 2004 I really wish NASA would point the hubble at the moon and take a picture all the landing sights so people would stop.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #36 May 13, 2004 QuoteI really wish NASA would point the hubble at the moon and take a picture all the landing sights so people would stop. I'll see if that can take place. B2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #37 May 13, 2004 Do you work for NASA or something?I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Girlfalldown 0 #38 May 13, 2004 We landed on the moon? Gosh I'm so out of the loop! I've got to start reading the paper more. -------------- (Do not, I repeat DO NOT, take my posts seriously.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #39 May 13, 2004 NASA contractor.....but so is just about everyone else here. I did meet the project manager for Hubble. But, probability they could/would re-task Hubble, low. If I see him again, I CAN ask though... Buck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #40 May 13, 2004 QuoteThen explain to me where the rocks they supposedly brought back came from. They sure didn't come from Earth. Showing me a rock that I can't tell you where it came from doesn't really proove anything to me. I am sure there are all kinds of rocks that I couldn't identify thrie origin. And if a scientist says that they aren't from earth, how do I know he is right? They do it in court cases all the time. One "expert" sayd one thing, and the other "expert" says he is lying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #41 May 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo, is there anything at all on that site that hasn't been debunked? I personally can't believe that Fox special ever got on the air. Come on it's Fox. Since when have they ever failed to put something stupid on the air for attention, remember alien autopsies? Josh Even though they try hard, I think there's still a bit of tabloid in Fox. Must be Rupert Murdoch.... mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #42 May 13, 2004 >There is no actual concrete evidence that says we did, other than > what the government says happened. I mean, it was on tv, but big > deal. I have seen the White House blown to bits on tv. That's true of most things. You have no concrete evidence that the Revolutionary War happened, but I suspect you believe it did. The preponderance of evidence supports it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #43 May 13, 2004 >And if a scientist says that they aren't from earth, how do I know he is right? Look at it under a microscope. There are structures formed from micrometeorite impacts that can't happen here on earth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #44 May 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteThen explain to me where the rocks they supposedly brought back came from. They sure didn't come from Earth. Showing me a rock that I can't tell you where it came from doesn't really proove anything to me. I am sure there are all kinds of rocks that I couldn't identify thrie origin. And if a scientist says that they aren't from earth, how do I know he is right? They do it in court cases all the time. One "expert" sayd one thing, and the other "expert" says he is lying. Well, I study rocks for a living. And all other geologists and planetary scientists agree those rocks did not form on the Earth. A very strong argument can be made without having to go into detailed rock talk though... We all agree that meteorites fall from space and Antarctica is a wonderful place to find them. You find a rock lying on top of the snow, you're pretty damn sure it's a meteorite. As of 2000, only 18 meteorites had been recovered that were thought to be of lunar origin - rocks found on the snow that had to have fallen from space. They match perfectly the rocks 'supposedly' brought back from the moon. The total weight of the rocks from Antarctica - just over 4 kg. 472 kg of moon rock was brought back during Apollo.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #45 May 13, 2004 "I am more interested in the Rock of Ages than in the age of rocks!" "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #46 May 13, 2004 Quote>And if a scientist says that they aren't from earth, how do I know he is right? Look at it under a microscope. There are structures formed from micrometeorite impacts that can't happen here on earth. That's just the tip of the iceberg too. If you think you can clear a room talking about the hydrogen economy...just let me get wound up about meteorites and planetary geology Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #47 May 13, 2004 When a nuke test heats up sand, does it create any new rocks ? I understand that it creates a greenish rock, but is it considered just another form of silicon ? Besides, there is "salted" mines in North Carolina. They give you a bucket of dirt with just enough "gems" to keep you happy. People like it because they came there to hunt gems. Seems like you could drop 20 rocks in Antartica, just ahead of people looking for rocks. If you were going to do a conspiracy, that would be the easy part. If they compared their moon rocks to their Antartica rocks... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #48 May 13, 2004 *ears perk up* oh please do tell!!I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #49 May 13, 2004 QuoteWhen a nuke test heats up sand, does it create any new rocks ? I understand that it creates a greenish rock, but is it considered just another form of silicon ? you make glass. The color really depends on the impurities in the sand. QuoteBesides, there is "salted" mines in North Carolina. They give you a bucket of dirt with just enough "gems" to keep you happy. People like it because they came there to hunt gems. Seems like you could drop 20 rocks in Antartica, just ahead of people looking for rocks. If you were going to do a conspiracy, that would be the easy part. If they compared their moon rocks to their Antartica rocks... I would agree with you, but then the Japanese would have to be involved in the hoax too as they are the largest 'harvesters' of antarctic meteorites and have found several lunar meteorites. Besides, the first one found that was unequivocally thought to be from the moon was found in 84. Why wait so long? Add to that that access to antarctica is severly restricted. One more piece of evidence comes from hot desert meteorites - nomads roaming north west africa are now the largest suppliers of meteorites and they've turned up a few lunars along with all other types of meteorites. JumpScars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #50 May 13, 2004 The true beauty of a good conspiracy theory is that the lack of proof becomes proof itself. The conspirators have covered their tracks effectively. The purpose of a conspiracy is mostly to posture the theorist as "in the know" or "having figgered it out". They meet with people who walk the halls of power or knowledge. QuoteI would agree with you, but then the Japanese would have to be involved in the hoax too Exactly, the best confirmation is from a seemingly disinterested 3rd party. Also, there is a lesson to be learned from Watergate. They caught those 3 guys and they testified. The Japanese just kill themselves. That is the reason that the Japanese were used. Quote Add to that that access to antarctica is severly restricted. The SR-71 flyovers were for pictures? Of what, snow? No one believes that. Obvious moon rock bombing runs. Quote - nomads roaming north west africa are now the largest suppliers of meteorites and they've turned up a few lunars along with all other types of meteorites. Sure, if you want quantity, you can't afford to pay Americans, they'd want too much on a per-rock basis. Besides, they are turning the rocks into the conspirators for confirmation. That sounds like a Jehovahs Witness proving to you that God exists because the Bible says so. "Yep, that's a moon rock, here's $3.00." (Nothing like a good piece of circular logic to confirm a conspiracy. ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
