Hard Toggles

[hcsvader 1]

I'm trying to figure out how to attach hard toggles to the tubular webbing brake lines on my parafoil. Any suggestions?

Also looking for some advice on how to stow the toggles.

Edited to add. We are assuming that the toggles should be set at the black line across the brake lines.
Thanks

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[pilotdave 0]

The one's I've seen have the brake line through the hole and then out the end of the toggle. I believe the brake line just gets knotted inside the toggle. But I'm not a rigger or accuracy expert.

Dave

[stratostar 5]

Having not seen tubular webbed lines in person, I can tell you, I've had hard toggles on both a stratostar and a few PC's, yes the lines go in the hole and set at the marks then knotted off, set as usual with the end of toggle in the cat's eye below ring, most old school risers have a nothing to hold it or elastic for the other end of the toggle to stow it, extra line you leave free or stow in a number of ways.

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[councilman24 37]

It's been a long time since I saw one live. Does the tubular nylon go to the cascades? I'm not sure what they intended. I have never worked on one like this. If ukskydiver manual site wasn't gone it might be there. The ones I recall had regular dacron line steering lines that fit through the holes in the toggles. The brakes were set using a daisy chain lock off. Not even going to try to tell you how to do that. It easy to screw up and caused problems for someone not used to it.

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Terry Urban
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[hcsvader 1]

Yes the tubular webbing goes to the cascades. I would be interested in knowing why this is used instead of regular dacron lines.

Some people at my DZ know how to daisy chain the lines and I have found a couple other stowing method to experiement with.

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[tjm 0]

No slider bumpers, or are they out of frame? Just an observation, always a good idea to have them.

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[riggerpaul 1]

can you show us a photo of what the deployment brake setting provisions are? Is there some sort of cat eye somewhere out of frame?

I used gear where a daisy chain was used to secure the deployment brake setting, but we still had a cat eye.

[hcsvader 1]

No slider bumps on this rig and no cats eyes on the brake lines. We drilled out the holes on the hard toggles to fit the thicker brake lines and tied a knot in the dead end of the line and used the brake settings recommended in the classic manual. Should be interesting to see how it works out

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[riggerpaul 1]

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No slider bumps on this rig and no cats eyes on the brake lines. We drilled out the holes on the hard toggles to fit the thicker brake lines and tied a knot in the dead end of the line and used the brake settings recommended in the classic manual. Should be interesting to see how it works out

So how do you set the brakes? I don't have the manual you are looking at. Are there pictures? Drawings? Can you post them?

[hcsvader 1]

I set them based on the classics manual
http://eiff.com/manuals/PARTS.html

Seems like it should work. I will find out for sure this weekend. Although I dont think a brake fire on a foil is going to ruin my day.

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[riggerpaul 1]

Thanks. That's about what I expected.

I notice the manual shows a conventional brake line, as opposed to the flat tubular one you have.

I wonder if your tubular brakes lines will make any difference.

[hcsvader 1]

I'll let you know how it works out once I get it in the air. I still havent found any info as to why the tubular lines are used.

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[JohnRich 4]

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I'll let you know how it works out once I get it in the air. I still havent found any info as to why the tubular lines are used.

Rather than retro-rig everything to fit the tubular steering line... It seems like it would be easier just to replace the tubular steering line with normal dacron lines, and then everything would fit and work the way it's "supposed" to.

[peek 21]

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I still haven't found any info as to why the tubular lines are used.

I imagine it is because with tubular is easier/better to set the brakes with a slipknot and daisy-chain arrangement.

The brake lines don't have any cats-eye deal to stow the brakes does it?

[hcsvader 1]

No there is no catseye in the brake lines.
Just took it for its first jump Not having a cats eye in the brake line definatly makes for a smother transition when applying the brakes.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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[usskydiver 0]

I'm trying to figure out how to attach hard toggles to the tubular webbing brake lines on my parafoil. Any suggestions?

Also looking for some advice on how to stow the toggles.

Edited to add. We are assuming that the toggles should be set at the black line across the brake lines.
Thanks

OK, havent seen this in a long time but here's what I remember:
1. 1/2 Tubular lasts longer than big dacron lines and runs the full length from the uppers to the toggles
2. Back then the guide rings were bigger (yours are too small...friction will hinder toggle input)
3. drill a bigger hole in the toggles
4. We usedto set them with a half hitch...back in the day

Not sure if the S&A Team on the Golden Knights still uses this set up.

Tim

[pilotdave 0]

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Not sure if the S&A Team on the Golden Knights still uses this set up.

Nope, regular brake lines. I went through hundreds of pictures I've taken of accuracy jumpers and only found one with brake lines like those. See attached...

Dave

[usskydiver 0]

because they can get their lower control lines chacnged whenever they want. The use of 1/2 in tubular began w/ "hobby" accuracy jumpers looking to extend the life of their lower control lines...

[peek 21]

This last weekend I saw 2 accuracy canopies with tubular for the lower steering lines, but their owners just used soft toggles, so I still don't have any better idea.

[hcsvader 1]

Cool, thanks or the info guys!
So far the set-up I'm using is working just fine

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