Main Lines: Rigged for CReW?

[kellja2001 0]

Hey all!

Sorry, one of those questions from a discipline I know nothing about.

Long story short, I'm trying to buy a canopy. I've test-jumped a lot of this type of canopy, and enjoy it.

The seller tells me the "two main front lines run straight from Riser to canopy and do not have any other lines connecting to them, allowing you to slide top to bottom without getting snagged".

Right, so I get the impression from this statement that he hasn't jumped for a while.

This sounds to me (in my limited experience / knowledge) that there is no cascade on the centre lines?

1) Does that mean the canopy cannot be deployed at terminal?

2) How will this affect the in-flight characteristics?

3) How will this affect the packing characteristics?

4) Is it worth me avoiding buying this canopy for this reason, or will it suit my needs with just minor adjustments to my knowledge?

Any help would be massively appreciated!

Blue skies!

J

[riggerpaul 1]

A CF lineset will have the center A & B lines direct, without cascades, from the risers to the canopy.

Sometimes the outermost A & B lines are also direct.

Sometimes these lines will be of a heavier material and they may be colored for easy identification.

There are no particular issues with packing just because of a CF lineset.

There is no particular issue with taking the canopy to terminal just because it has a CF lineset. My Spectre with Dacron CF lines is a joy at terminal.

There can be CF canopies that are much more specific to serious CF, and they may have issues with terminal openings. But these canopies would have other special equipment like mesh sliders and/or pilot chute retract systems and/or tail pockets for stowing lines for bag-less deployments.

You didn't say what canopy it is, or if it had any more exotic CF modifications.

But, if it is a regular Spectre, for example, that is simply sporting a CF lineset, you should have no particular reason not to buy and use this setup.

Always have a used canopy evaluated by your rigger before purchase.

[kellja2001 0]

Top answer!

Thanks!

Its a Flight Concepts 7-Cell Classic (Fury 220). Yes, I know there are arguments for paying extra money and going for something made this millennium, but its a great canopy, has some life left in it, and honestly, the deal is too good to pass up, particularly for someone in my financial position.

It doesn't have a collapsible pilot chute, and certainly doesn't have those metal rings on the top-skin that I've seen (where the kill-line routes). Obviously, since it doesn't have a kill-line, this isn't exposed, just a normal bridle.

I will ask about the tail pockets / mesh slider, but it sounds like its been used for "recreational CReW" rather than "Display CReW".

I will be looking to have my rigger inspect it, I'm just dipping my toe in a little before I make the 200 mile trip to see it!

Thanks again for a top answer, and so fast as well!

Blue skies ;)

J

[JohnRich 4]

It's not a problem in any way. I bought a used Triathalon hybrid - meaning it is set up for both CRW and RW, with continuous center A-lines. I put about 500 jumps on it at terminal that way, and never had a problem with it. Then I had it re-lined into a regular line-set style, and I'm still jumping it, with no discernible difference. All it means is that the lines will have slightly more bulk, and even that is negligible.

[phoenixlpr 0]

I got other way around. I got my Triathlon relined with Dacron line-set, like used with CRW, but cascaded.
It opens nice and soft.

[riggerpaul 1]

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Top answer!

Thanks!

Its a Flight Concepts 7-Cell Classic (Fury 220). Yes, I know there are arguments for paying extra money and going for something made this millennium, but its a great canopy, has some life left in it, and honestly, the deal is too good to pass up, particularly for someone in my financial position.

It doesn't have a collapsible pilot chute, and certainly doesn't have those metal rings on the top-skin that I've seen (where the kill-line routes). Obviously, since it doesn't have a kill-line, this isn't exposed, just a normal bridle.

I will ask about the tail pockets / mesh slider, but it sounds like its been used for "recreational CReW" rather than "Display CReW".

I will be looking to have my rigger inspect it, I'm just dipping my toe in a little before I make the 200 mile trip to see it!

Thanks again for a top answer, and so fast as well!

Blue skies ;)

J

You said you have test jumped many canopies like this one. What canopies were those?

When was this particular canopy actually made?

A substantial number of my early jumps were made on Django Pegasus, Glide Path Fury, and Paraflight Cruiselite canopies in mid to late 80s. (Django became Glide Path became Flight Concepts.)

These are all 7 cell "F111" fabric canopies.

Compare them to any 7 cell ZP canopy and they will likely come up short.

So I wonder what you have jumped and if it is really as like this canopy as you might think.

[samlee 0]

Jason I would double check about the retractable pilot chute as the photo provided on the item certainly seems to show a retracted pilot chute!

Now I don't know how difficult it is to convert this (it may just simply be a case of removing the pilot chute and reconnecting it outside of the rings) but I'm sure someone will be able to advise!

[kellja2001 0]

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You said you have test jumped many canopies like this one. What canopies were those?

When was this particular canopy actually made?

A substantial number of my early jumps were made on Django Pegasus, Glide Path Fury, and Paraflight Cruiselite canopies in mid to late 80s. (Django became Glide Path became Flight Concepts.)

These are all 7 cell "F111" fabric canopies.

Compare them to any 7 cell ZP canopy and they will likely come up short.

So I wonder what you have jumped and if it is really as like this canopy as you might think.

I've been lucky enough to have the chance to jump 2 different Fury 220s, and have a handful of jumps on a Spectre as well. I know the F111 isn't going to last as long as ZP, and its not as responsive / fun, but that's not where my concerns lie I also have about 10 jumps on a F111 9-cell, but can't for the life of me remember what it was (maybe a PD 210?), but I'm not going to compare the 7-cell to the 9-cell.

This particular canopy has a DOM of "Early 90s", which makes it older than the other Fury's I've jumped, but less jumps. As we've already ascertained, I'm going to have my rigger inspect it first.

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I would double check about the retractable pilot chute as the photo provided on the item certainly seems to show a retracted pilot chute!

Now I don't know how difficult it is to convert this (it may just simply be a case of removing the pilot chute and reconnecting it outside of the rings) but I'm sure someone will be able to advise!

Don't worry Sam, I've checked this with him, I also noticed on the photo about the pilot chute, which is making me a little nervous. I'm going to have a look at it before I do anything.

J

[dragon2 2]

Attaching a normal bridle is easy enough: just don't use the rings (you'll have to buy or beg a normal bridle though, don't use the piece of line this bridle is made of for non-retractable use). You can also jump it with the retractable system as long as you make sure the bridle is running free when packing (no knots, the routing should be ok), there's no fabric in between the rings when the canopy is bagged (otherwise you'll get holes in your topskin), and there exists the possibility of a knotted bridle malfuction that you wouldn't get with a normal bridle. But it's certainly not unsafe to jump a retractable bridle in freefall, and if costs is a problem and you cannot find a cheap bridle somewhere, I'd keep it that way. Just takes a little bit more care during packing.

ciel bleu,
Saskia

[kellja2001 0]

Just to close out this thread (not that I think anyone is reading it anymore, but rather for my own benefit):

The Fury 220 simply had the center A & B lines direct, without cascades, from the risers to the canopy. The Centre A's are also bright red

The bridle is 9 foot (hey! that's awesome for wingsuiting ) and the pilot chute is not collapsible.

There is not a mesh slider / pilot chute retract system / tail pocket for stowing lines for bagless deployments.

I've got it in a 1994 SST Racer, with a Raven III reserve (also '94).

I've also treated the rig to a brand new CYPRES 2 (2-pin).

How much did all this cost me?

£35 ($55) plus £50 ($80) for the reserve repack although, I should stress, the CYPRES 2 and most of the main canopy belong to my University (although I'm the only one who uses them )

[theonlyski 8]

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Just to close out this thread (not that I think anyone is reading it anymore, but rather for my own benefit):

The Fury 220 simply had the center A & B lines direct, without cascades, from the risers to the canopy. The Centre A's are also bright red

The bridle is 9 foot (hey! that's awesome for wingsuiting ) and the pilot chute is not collapsible.

There is not a mesh slider / pilot chute retract system / tail pocket for stowing lines for bagless deployments.

I've got it in a 1994 SST Racer, with a Raven III reserve (also '94).

I've also treated the rig to a brand new CYPRES 2 (2-pin).

How much did all this cost me?

£35 ($55) plus £50 ($80) for the reserve repack although, I should stress, the CYPRES 2 and most of the main canopy belong to my University (although I'm the only one who uses them )

So who owns the rest? Did you guys divide it up by cells? You own 3 cells, the school owns the other 4 or 6?

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[kellja2001 0]

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So who owns the rest? Did you guys divide it up by cells? You own 3 cells, the school owns the other 4 or 6?

Ha!

I actually own the stabilizers, cross-port vents and the warning label. The school owns the rest

(Oh, its definitely a 7-cell btw )