ltdiver 3 #1 March 27, 2004 http://www.boston.com/dailynews/086/nation/Navy_F_18_crashes_at_Raleigh_D:.shtml "The pilot ejected before the plane left the ground about 1,700 feet down the 7,500-foot runway, she said." Yikes!!! How often does -this- happen?! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #2 March 27, 2004 QuoteYikes!!! How often does -this- happen?! Probably Hundreds upon hundreds of times on the testing grounds, and I'm glad this pilot made it out okay....=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindBrick 0 #3 March 27, 2004 It's not that big of a deal. Most modern military aircraft have 0-0 ejection systems which means they are designed to function at 0 ft. AGL and at 0 airspeed. -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #4 March 27, 2004 The F-18 uses the NACES seat. Check this site. http://www.tpub.com/asm/32.htm It doesn't happen often but when it does it is nice to have the equipment. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #5 March 27, 2004 Yeah, heard about it on the radio. Glad there were no serious injuries or deaths! -------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #6 March 27, 2004 QuoteAll NACES seats incorporate fully automatic electronic sequencing and are cartridge operated and rocket assisted. Safe escape is provided for most combinations of aircraft altitude, speed, attitude, and flight path within the envelope of zero speed, zero altitude in a substantially level attitude to a maximum speed of 600 knots estimated air speed (KEAS) between zero altitude and 50,000 feet. Thanks for the link. Glad it doesn't happen very often. Guess take-off really is the most scary part of it all, huh? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #7 March 27, 2004 QuoteSafe escape is provided for most combinations of aircraft altitude, speed, attitude, and flight path This means you can't be doing 600 KEAS, inverted and only 50 feet off the deck. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #8 March 27, 2004 >This means you can't be doing 600 KEAS, inverted and only 50 feet off the deck. Unless you're in an F-104A, which had an ejection seat that fired _downwards._ Led to some hairy manuevers during takeoff and landing when pilots needed to eject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #9 March 27, 2004 QuoteThe F-18 uses the NACES seat. Check this site. http://www.tpub.com/asm/32.htm It doesn't happen often but when it does it is nice to have the equipment. Sparky thats the same seat that killed Goose!!!!! I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #10 March 28, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe F-18 uses the NACES seat. Check this site. http://www.tpub.com/asm/32.htm It doesn't happen often but when it does it is nice to have the equipment. Sparky thats the same seat that killed Goose!!!!! The seat didn't kill Goose, the movie director did. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #11 March 28, 2004 QuoteQuoteYikes!!! How often does -this- happen?! Probably Hundreds upon hundreds of times on the testing grounds, and I'm glad this pilot made it out okay.... I'm sure he did that because he didn't want to risk getting blown up with the jet. Has anyone heard of Cap'n Cuervo? Great guy down in Pensacola. Flew fighter jets in the Vietnam War. Was shot down a few times. Once he had to eject 50 feet over the treetops going some 300 knots when he got hit by AA fire. Ended up with a fractured skull and other serious injuries, but came back home in one piece. Trader Jon's bar had the same type of ejection seat that Cap'n Cuervo used, hanging in one corner of the famous bar, with a plaque explaining the history. It's a damn shame the bar is there no more. But Cap'n is still around, still skydiving and traveling around the world. Blue Skies, Billy Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #12 March 28, 2004 I'm glad my flight outta raliegh is on sunday morning and not saturday afternoon... otherwise i woulda been delayed 2 hours MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #13 March 28, 2004 http://www.airandspacemagazine.com/ASM/Web/Site/QT/SukoiEject.html The Russians are the best. This is a video of a spring loaded sport plane ejection seat that only adds 20 lbs. It is a telescoping tube that ejects the pilot like an Acme product on the Roadrunner. You can see the dummy is under canopy at ejection altitude or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #14 March 28, 2004 You are right, the Russians do make the best seat, but it is very heavy. A few years ago 2 Russian migs had a mid air at the Paris air show at less then 300 feet and both survived. The video looks like a ballistic deployed parachute and not a seat. I don't see a seat leaving the plane. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #15 March 28, 2004 QuoteTrader Jon's bar What a classic place... I know after Trader died and it closed down a Naval Officer and his wife bought it and redid it leaving all of the memorabilia in place... Has it closed down again since then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #16 March 28, 2004 >You are right, the Russians do make the best seat, but it is very > heavy. A few years ago 2 Russian migs had a mid air . . . Keep in mind that the Sukhoi is a civil sportplane and the MiG is a military fighter. Their ejection systems are nothing alike. Most civil systems still consist of "release the door and get out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #17 March 28, 2004 Quote> Keep in mind that the Sukhoi is a civil sportplane and the MiG is a military fighter. Their ejection systems are nothing alike. Most civil systems still consist of "release the door and get out." Sukhoi and Mig are only design bureaus, each make nothing. Their designs are made by contractors. Sukhio has designed some great late generation fighter jets and some unique civil craft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #18 March 28, 2004 Quote>You are right, the Russians do make the best seat, but it is very > heavy. A few years ago 2 Russian migs had a mid air . . . Keep in mind that the Sukhoi is a civil sportplane and the MiG is a military fighter. Their ejection systems are nothing alike. Most civil systems still consist of "release the door and get out." I am fully aware of that. I have spent the last several years working with ejection seats and seat modifications. What I said was the video does not look like the Sukhoi was using an ejection seat, but ballisticly fired canopy. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #19 March 28, 2004 Right Bill, A hundred pound seat in a jet fighter is no big deal, and the Russians make a great rocket powered ejection seat that works extremely well at low altitudes. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/topgun/movparis.html The ejection seat for the Sukhoi 31/29 is genius. It is extremely lightweight and works great. (No-one I know of has used it for real though) http://www.russianaeros.com/ejectorproduct.htm Sometimes, ours don't work so well: http://www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #20 March 28, 2004 >Sukhoi and Mig are only design bureaus, each make nothing. The Sukhoi SU-29 is a popular aerobatic trainer, the MiG-29 Fulcrum is a legendary Soviet fighter aircraft. I was referring to the names of the aircraft, not who designed them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jussi 0 #21 March 28, 2004 "thats the same seat that killed Goose!!!" nope, F-14A and B uses this seat http://users.bestweb.net/~kcoyne/mk7seats.htm F-14D uses the NACES seat... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #22 March 29, 2004 QuoteRight Bill, A hundred pound seat in a jet fighter is no big deal, and the Russians make a great rocket powered ejection seat that works extremely well at low altitudes. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/topgun/movparis.html The ejection seat for the Sukhoi 31/29 is genius. It is extremely lightweight and works great. (No-one I know of has used it for real though) http://www.russianaeros.com/ejectorproduct.htm Sometimes, ours don't work so well: http://www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/ The seat is not "100 pounds", it is 100 kilos. That is 220 pounds. Every pound in any airplane is a big deal. All seats produced today work well at low altitudes. The Russian seat is probably the best as I said before. And as I said before, the system used in the Sukhoi31/29 is not a ejection seat. It is a ballisticly deployed parachute that extracts the pilot. The whole purpose of an ejection seat is to get the pilot clear of the aircraft before the canopy deploys. At speeds above 250/275 I doubt that the pilot will survive. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindBrick 0 #23 March 29, 2004 QuoteThe F-18 uses the NACES seat. Check this site. http://www.tpub.com/asm/32.htm It doesn't happen often but when it does it is nice to have the equipment. Sparky What happened to the paln for all new US warplanes to be equipped with the superior Russian systems? I remeber it being mentioend in PM or PS several years back. -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #24 March 29, 2004 Quote thats the same seat that killed Goose!!!!! [dons geek hat] Goose should not have been killed. The F-14 he was in was in a flat spin, which would have spun the cockpit out from under the canopy, leaving Goose free to eject into clear air. [removes geek hat] That, and Jerry Bruckheimer is an asshat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #25 March 29, 2004 "What a classic place... I know after Trader died and it closed down a Naval Officer and his wife bought it and redid it leaving all of the memorabilia in place... Has it closed down again since then?" ------------------------------------------------------------ It was opened last year. i know that for a fact. Has it closed down since then?-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
