"One nation, under God..."

[wmw999 2,444]

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Not allowing my kids to say 'Under God' would be religious persecution, in my eyes

They're not allowed to sing it in "The Star Spangled Banner" are they?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[PhillyKev 0]

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If the guy is an athiest than what does he care if they use the word "god" , he doesn't believe in it.

Because his daughter is required to say it every day in school. It's his right to raise his daughter under with any religious beliefs he wants. The government requires that his daughter go to school, paid for with his taxes, and they require his daughter to pledge an oath with religious statements that he does not believe.

I don't see what's wrong with putting the pledge back the way it was before the McCarthyists changed it.

[usedtajump 1]

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Well kiddies, when I was a kid 'Under God" was not yet in the Pledge and still to this day, it still sounds strange to me to have that added bit in there. I never thought it belonged in there in the first place.

-Was not IN the pledge in your days? Ex-squeeze me?

And our children should be given the right to express themselves ONE WAY OR THE OTHER...we were founded on religious FREEDOM...should you take that AWAY from my child, usedtajump, I would have ISSUES with it. Your kid need not say it, but MINE DO.

Hey, I ain't lyin' to ya'. One day at school we were saying "one nation indivisible" then show up the next day and it was"one nation, under God, indivisible."

Edited to say, sorry, I don't know where the bold print came from.fixed it for ya!

Oh thank God. That was mighty neighborly of you.

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

[crzjp20 0]

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Not allowing my kids to say 'Under God' would be religious persecution, in my eyes

They're not allowed to sing it in "The Star Spangled Banner" are they?

Wendy W.

that doesnt make much sence

The star spangled banner was a song written from a ship watching a battle at night, not something written to express dedication to a country and flag.

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[DrunkMonkey 0]

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Not allowing my kids to say 'Under God' would be religious persecution, in my eyes

They're not allowed to sing it in "The Star Spangled Banner" are they?

Wendy W.

that doesnt make much sence

The star spangled banner was a song written from a ship watching a battle at night, not something written to express dedication to a country and flag.

...and if memory serves, God is mentioned in only the obscure 2nd or 3rd verses of the Anthem...

[turtlespeed 220]

If God is everywhere how can anything be "Under" God?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 2,991]

>They're not allowed to sing it in "The Star Spangled Banner" are they?


Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

[crzjp20 0]

... ill admit i dont know the second or third verse. So can not say that.

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[ACMESkydiver 0]

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Who's taking away anything? Your kid can still say whatever he wants.

-As long as nobody's saying they can't say it, Billvon, I'm cool with that.

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[wmw999 2,444]

Obviously I never learned the second or third stanzas .

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[usedtajump 1]

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Obviously I never learned the second or third stanzas .

Wendy W.

Hell, I've heard many try to sing it at sporting events that don't even know the first stanza.

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

[headoverheels 333]

The original 1892 wording was "...to my Flag, and the Republic for which it stands..." The "the Flag of the United States of America" change was later, in the 1920's.

[Nightingale 0]

God isn't referenced in the first verse of the National Anthem (which is the only part people know anyway)

Edited to add: the first and only mention of God in the anthem isn't til verse 4.

[ACMESkydiver 0]

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>They're not allowed to sing it in "The Star Spangled Banner" are they?


Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

-I love the second stanza...thanks for posting it Billvon. ( and yeah i know you were posting in repsonse to a question, and it in no way reflects the views of the moderator, DZ.Com, the skydiving industry and/or it's participants, etc., etc., etc., )

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[PhillyKev 0]

What I find ironic is that the tune for "The Star Spangled Banner" was ripped off from a British song.

[ACMESkydiver 0]

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If God is everywhere how can anything be "Under" God?

-Were you just being a smart-ass, Turtle? "Under [the authority] of God" Silly slow-mover!

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[billvon 2,991]

>As long as nobody's saying they can't say it, Billvon, I'm cool with that.

OK. I have never heard _any_ proposal connected with the pledge issue say that you couldn't say whatever you want. Free speech and all.

[Nightingale 0]

That's the fourth stanza.

The entire poem:

Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?


On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

[ACMESkydiver 0]

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God isn't referenced in the first verse of the National Anthem (which is the only part people know anyway)

Edited to add: the first and only mention of God in the anthem isn't til verse 4.

That's the second verse, to my knowledge, Nightingale...and if it shows DIFFERENTLY, well I know it was meant to be the 2nd verse. -Yeah, don't ask me how...ancestry, family secrets, blah, blah, blah....I've been taught that since...well, for a really long time!

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[Nightingale 0]

yup.

The Star-Spangled Banner is set to the tune of an English drinking song called "To Anacreon in Heaven"

To Anacreon in heaven where he sat in full glee,
A few sons of harmony sent a petition,
That he their inspirer and patron would be,
When this answer arrived from the jolly old Grecian:
Voice, fiddle aud flute, no longer be mute,
I'll lend you my name and inspire you to boot!
And besides I'll instruct you like me to entwine
The myrtle of Venus and Bacchus's vine.

The news through Olympus immediately flew,
When old Thunder pretended to give himself airs,
If these mortals are suffered their scheme to pursue,
The devil a goddess will stay above stairs,
Hark! already they cry, in transports of joy,
A fig for Parnassus, to Rowley's we'll fly,
And there my good fellows, we'll learn to entwine
The myrtle of Venus and Bacchus's vine.

The yellow-haired god, and his nine fusty maids,
To the hill of old Lud will incontinent flee,
Idalia will boast but of tenantless shades,
And the biforked hill a mere desert will be,
My thunder, no fear on't, will soon do its errand,
And, damn me I'll swinge the ringleaders, I warrant
I'll trim the young dogs, for thus daring to twine
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine.

Apollo rose up and said, "Prythee ne'er quarrel,
Good king of the gods, with my votaries below
Your thunder is useless - then showing his laurel,
Cried, Sic evitabile fulmen, you know!
Then over each head my laurels I'll spread,
So my sons from your crackers no mischief shall dread
Whilst snug in their club-room, they jovially twine
The myrtle of Venus and Bacchus's vine.

[ACMESkydiver 0]

That's out of order from what I was taught!! ????

Not saying I wasn't taught wrong. But makes ya wonder as I have been taught that for years...hmmm... Maybe my teachers were smokin' crack, but the cool stanza was 2nd.

Ah well. At least it's there!!!

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[ACMESkydiver 0]

That's it...my bad. I learned the first and the last. Those middle ones were the extraneous minutia.

Thanks!

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[BETO74 0]

I think under god means any god or supernatural force, at least thats how I interpreted the whole thing about if you're atheist who cares? you don't believe in any god anyway....right

http://web.mac.com/ac057a/iWeb/AC057A/H0M3.html

[ACMESkydiver 0]

-Does anyone else find it stupidly ironic that I posted in this thread such as I did with this avatar??

BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Just bustin' on myself...

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[NightJumper 0]

The generic use of the word GOD has and always will be a part of our country. It was our founding fathers acknowledgement and intent as indicated in the Declaration of Independence. Even the Supreme Court of the United States that is hearing the case starts every session by stating "God save the United States and this honorable Court".