Boy Arrested for Wearing Ball Cap Sideways

[Snowflake 0]

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The boy, who is black, refused, and pointed to several other white kids who were also wearing caps sideways, but which had not been targetted as he had.

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A man of the new millenium. Used to be that teachers enforced dress codes, behavior, and acceptable speech. And they were hardasses about it. Nowadays a teacher gets sued if they tell someone they can't wear a hat in school. Progress, I suppose. At least the lawyers get rich

The point being that it was acceptable for white students but not for a black students, at which point it really is just racisim

[kallend 2,108]

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The boy, who is black, refused, and pointed to several other white kids who were also wearing caps sideways, but which had not been targetted as he had.

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A man of the new millenium. Used to be that teachers enforced dress codes, behavior, and acceptable speech. And they were hardasses about it. Nowadays a teacher gets sued if they tell someone they can't wear a hat in school. Progress, I suppose. At least the lawyers get rich

The point being that it was acceptable for white students but not for a black students, at which point it really is just racisim

You are absolutely correct.

However, wearing a hat in school is plain bad manners, regardless of the color of your skin, unless it is a religious requirement.

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[piisfish 140]

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Why not just make 'em wear a uniform??

to me that would be ideal...
teach them equality (between students) and some form of authority, which seems to be lacking in many families/institutions WORLDWIDE (or at least in the so called developped occidental world)

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[billvon 3,078]

>Why not just make 'em wear a uniform??

Not a bad idea. Up to the school, I'd say.

>The point being that it was acceptable for white students but not for
>a black students, at which point it really is just racisim

I agree there. Any rule has to be fairly applied.

[tcnelson 1]

oops; another retard who can't obey policy....i fell so obligated to cry out for him....nope; too busy watching olav and the circus pull off another amazing jump....

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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[Snowflake 0]

oops; another retard who can't obey policy....i fell so obligated to cry out for him....nope; too busy watching olav and the circus pull off another amazing jump....

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I see my half joking remark earlier

***Thats good old fashioned "American" justice "shoulda never gave them darkies the vote in the first place"

Is tottaly relevent.


By all means go back to your video no need to pull your head out of your ass it's obviously been there so long that it's become quite a comfortable position for ya.

[JohnRich 4]

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hopefully, the ACLU will be all over this one.

The boy happened to be black, so the NAACP is all over it. That makes it "racism" I suppose, rather than just heavy-handed stupidity.

[JohnRich 4]

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Is this America ? what a great country you guys live in...
Never would this happen in Europe

Far worse things have happened in Europe.

And you can't judge an entire country on the basis of one stupid incident.

[JohnRich 4]

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On my way to coaches course a while back I got pulled over I was searched because "I wanna make sure you don't have a handgranade" my car was searched without my permission. I was made to sit in the rain in front of his car. I was then given a ticket for no insurance.

I got lots of stories like that. It's how your treated in this country if your a black male

I've been treated like that, and I'm white. It's not so much racism, as it is heavy-handed cops.

You can refuse that search - if they don't have probable cause, they can't search without your permission. Just say "no".

I once tied up a group of Alabama state troopers for three hours by just saying "no". The cop then became convinced I was smuggling drugs. Next thing I know, I'm surrounded by *five* police cars. They towed my car to an impound lot, "because it was unsafe to search it on the highway". They search it, and find nothing. They call in a drug-sniffing dog, who also finds nothing. Three hours later, I'm on my way, and Barney Fife has egg smeared all over his face in front of his peers.

The only hitch was, I was handcuffed in the back of a squad car the whole time, "for my own protection" of course. But it was worth it to embarass them, and to make them pay for violating the 4th Amendment.

[JohnRich 4]

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However, wearing a hat in school is plain bad manners, regardless of the color of your skin, unless it is a religious requirement.

Then the action should be to just ban all hat-wearing, and then it won't matter which way the bill of the hat is pointing.

But once they allow hats, then they shouldn't care which way the bill points; left, right, back or front.

If it's some kind of special gang symbol, and the hats are forbidden, the gang members will still come up with some other kind of distinguishing mark.

Once the administration starts down the path of banishing certain symbols, they're on a never-ending path of these kinds of abuses.

[kallend 2,108]

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On my way to coaches course a while back I got pulled over I was searched because "I wanna make sure you don't have a handgranade" my car was searched without my permission. I was made to sit in the rain in front of his car. I was then given a ticket for no insurance.

I got lots of stories like that. It's how your treated in this country if your a black male

I've been treated like that, and I'm white. It's not so much racism, as it is heavy-handed cops.

You can refuse that search - if they don't have probable cause, they can't search without your permission. Just say "no".

I once tied up a group of Alabama state troopers for three hours by just saying "no". The cop then became convinced I was smuggling drugs. Next thing I know, I'm surrounded by *five* police cars. They towed my car to an impound lot, "because it was unsafe to search it on the highway". They search it, and find nothing. They call in a drug-sniffing dog, who also finds nothing. Three hours later, I'm on my way, and Barney Fife has egg smeared all over his face in front of his peers.

The only hitch was, I was handcuffed in the back of a squad car the whole time, "for my own protection" of course. But it was worth it to embarass them, and to make them pay for violating the 4th Amendment.

How did they pay? Did they lose 3 hours pay? Did they get sued for wrongful detention?

It's clear that you paid in lost time, but it's not clear that they paid in any way whatsoever, except maybe missing a trip to the donut shop.

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[kallend 2,108]

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However, wearing a hat in school is plain bad manners, regardless of the color of your skin, unless it is a religious requirement.

Then the action should be to just ban all hat-wearing, and then it won't matter which way the bill of the hat is pointing.

But once they allow hats, then they shouldn't care which way the bill points; left, right, back or front.

If it's some kind of special gang symbol, and the hats are forbidden, the gang members will still come up with some other kind of distinguishing mark.

Once the administration starts down the path of banishing certain symbols, they're on a never-ending path of these kinds of abuses.

It seems that the hat wearing wasn't the cause of the suspension. It was "insubordination" after he refused to take it off.

I see two issues here:

1. the kid failed to follow a school rule and refused to comply when asked. That IS insubordination, no doubt about it. In my day we'd have received corporal punishment for insubordination like that in school!

2. the rule seems to have been selectively enforced. That is definitely an error on the school's part if true (we only have the kid's word for it).

And an observation: IMO wearing hats indoors unless for very good reason (safety, health, religion) is plain ole bad manners.

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[SublimeBreeze 0]

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Why not just make 'em wear a uniform??

Because part of going to school and learning new things is accepting diversity. I certainly dont want the next group of kids to be fucking robots. Whether you like it or not people can express themselves through there clothing, taking that away takes away from a diverse learning environment which I think is key to understanding differences.

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Sean
Sean In Thailand

[billvon 3,078]

>Whether you like it or not people can express themselves through
> there clothing, taking that away takes away from a diverse learning
> environment which I think is key to understanding differences.

"Diverse learning environment?" Kids aren't in school to learn how to wear hats. They are there to learn how to read, write, think critically and do math, and (incidentally) how to live in a world that occasionally requires things like uniforms or suits. If the school can create a learning environment without a dress code, no problem. If a dress code will help them learn - that's way more important than being "diverse."

[Ian84 0]

Point taken. However, the most diverse environment I ever spent time in was boarding school where there was a strictly enforced uniform. If anything it taught me discipline, not persecution of people for their individuality. The fact that human contact was required to express yourself was a good thing. It meant there was no judging people for their appearance. Some of my best friends in school were people whos dress/appearance outside of school alienated them from the majority of folks in society.

[sneaky 0]

I like to parade around in the nude with my rig on ... especially in places with mirrors...

what are the chances of getting arrested ?

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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However, wearing a hat in school is plain bad manners, regardless of the color of your skin, unless it is a religious requirement.

I have always thought it odd that people contrive silly reasons to feel offended, i.e. by "bad manners."

Isn't it only by definition or convention that we consider wearing a hat indoors "bad manners"? I mean, what is it, really, at the core, that makes wearing a hat indoors bad manners -- and also makes it perfectly fine to wear the same hat in the same manner outdoors?

I think it's absurd to say that a person who otherwise behaves perfectly fine is displaying "bad manners" just because he's wearing a hat. That's just stupid, in my opinion.

Throughout history, people have contrived all sorts of modes of dress that are supposed to be symbolic of this or that. We've had those idiotic powdered wigs, and hoop skirts, and those dresses where the ass part is all pushed out, and those big-ass harlequin collars, and those pointy-tipped shoes where the height of the points indicated your "station."

And now we are really no different, except now the order of the day is "business suits" with their stupid uncomfortable confinement (not to mention the useless, uncomfortable and dangerous necktie). We say that unless you're wearing that, you're not respectful of business. And we also apparently still attribute "bad manners" to wearing something like a baseball cap indoors -- potentially even despite a proper display of otherwise perfect manners.

Can't we get beyond this stupid shit?
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Is this America ? what a great country you guys live in...
Never would this happen in Europe

Far worse things have happened in Europe.

And you can't judge an entire country on the basis of one stupid incident.

I guess the original poster here hasn't read about what just happened in France. They banned religious garb of various types in schools -- particularly muslim head scarves, jewish yarmulkes, and any prominent crucifixes. The rule goes into effect next year, according to what I read.

So what was that about never happening in Europe? And we're talking about RELIGIOUS items, not just some stupid baseball cap or something. Yeah, Europe has its shit together... suuuure.
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-Jeffrey
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I've been treated like that, and I'm white. It's not so much racism, as it is heavy-handed cops.

You can refuse that search - if they don't have probable cause, they can't search without your permission. Just say "no".

I once tied up a group of Alabama state troopers for three hours by just saying "no". The cop then became convinced I was smuggling drugs. Next thing I know, I'm surrounded by *five* police cars. They towed my car to an impound lot, "because it was unsafe to search it on the highway". They search it, and find nothing. They call in a drug-sniffing dog, who also finds nothing. Three hours later, I'm on my way, and Barney Fife has egg smeared all over his face in front of his peers.

The only hitch was, I was handcuffed in the back of a squad car the whole time, "for my own protection" of course. But it was worth it to embarass them, and to make them pay for violating the 4th Amendment.

Uh, John, I'm glad you messed with them back, and caused them to waste their time and look stupid, but if your point was to illustrate how you can just say "no" to a search, didn't that story illustrate that they will eventually search despite your "no"?

See, that's the problem. They can use your "no" as "suspicion" which = probable cause. "Who else but a guilty drug smuggler would say 'no'?!" is their reasoning. And you are probably lucky they didn't just throw a confiscated switchblade under your seat, or a baggie of coke into your console. Suddenly that cop with egg on his face isn't looking so stupid, and you'll never prove you were framed. I have no problem believing that a cop who is pissed off enough at you embarrassing him would do such shit.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[sneaky 0]

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Is this America ? what a great country you guys live in...
Never would this happen in Europe

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Far worse things have happened in Europe.

And you can't judge an entire country on the basis of one stupid incident.

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I guess the original poster here hasn't read about what just happened in France. They banned religious garb of various types in schools -- particularly muslim head scarves, jewish yarmulkes, and any prominent crucifixes. The rule goes into effect next year, according to what I read.

So what was that about never happening in Europe? And we're talking about RELIGIOUS items, not just some stupid baseball cap or something. Yeah, Europe has its shit together... suuuure.

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Just a comment on the stupidy of this issue...Im not knocking your country guys..... And Im well ahead in my world issues Jeffrey... especially Europe..Are you ?


dont start a "my cocks bigger debate..." like half the people do on these forums...

Pease and chicken grease

[goose491 0]

Could have been suspended for wearing the hat in my High School.

What's up with that?

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

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In the news:

Student's refusal to adjust cap leads to arrest

A 17-year-old boy was in the school cafeteria, wearing a ball cap sideways. Security guards asked him to turn his hat around, because sideways caps are seen as a sign of disrespect for authority. The boy, who is black, refused, and pointed to several other white kids who were also wearing caps sideways, but which had not been targetted as he had.

The boy was suspended from school for three days for insubordination, arrested for trespassing, taken to jail, fingerprinted, photographed, and held for several hours for disorderly conduct, failure to obey a police officer, trespassing and interfering or disrupting an educational institution.

Full Story

That should teach the little bugger.

"Handcuffs, Use of Force on Students in Kent School District"

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[Snowflake 0]

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I've been treated like that, and I'm white. It's not so much racism, as it is heavy-handed cops.

Sometimes it may be a case of heavy handed cops but this wasn't. Oh nevermind if you want to believe that it's just heavy handed cops go ahead but you can't piss down my back and tell me it's raining I'm just not that stupid.

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You can refuse that search - if they don't have probable cause, they can't search without your permission. Just say "no".

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my car was searched without my permission

did you not understand.


Look if you want to believe that the law is applied fairly and that there is no institutional racisim in this country go ahead. I on the other hand do not have that luxury

[kallend 2,108]

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I've been treated like that, and I'm white. It's not so much racism, as it is heavy-handed cops.

Sometimes it may be a case of heavy handed cops but this wasn't. Oh nevermind if you want to believe that it's just heavy handed cops go ahead but you can't piss down my back and tell me it's raining I'm just not that stupid.

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You can refuse that search - if they don't have probable cause, they can't search without your permission. Just say "no".

which part of

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my car was searched without my permission

did you not understand.


Look if you want to believe that the law is applied fairly and that there is no institutional racisim in this country go ahead. I on the other hand do not have that luxury

DWB is certainly an offense in northern Illinois. You see rigorous enforcement every day. (I'm a blue eyed redhead, so it doesn't apply to me, I just observe it).

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Is this America ? what a great country you guys live in...

Never would this happen in Europe

I don't know if anyone has responded to this yet but HELLO, seen any news from France lately? They're banning Sihk students from wearing turbans and middle eastern student from wearing their tradition/religious head coverings.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher