Kennedy 0 #51 March 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou can refuse that search - if they don't have probable cause, they can't search without your permission. Just say "no". which part of Quotemy car was searched without my permission did you not understand. Look if you want to believe that the law is applied fairly and that there is no institutional racisim in this country go ahead. I on the other hand do not have that luxury OK, so you say you were illegally searched based on either (A) racial discrimination or (B) racial profiling. Have you spoken with a lawyer? Written an official letter of complaint to officer's supervisor/department/mayor? Have you done anything other than get pissed off and bitch about it? Cops running rampant over constitutional rights is generally frowned upon by most courts. Or is there something more to the story that you didn't feel like sharing with the rest of us?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #52 March 22, 2004 QuoteUh, John, I'm glad you messed with them back, and caused them to waste their time and look stupid, but if your point was to illustrate how you can just say "no" to a search, didn't that story illustrate that they will eventually search despite your "no"? I understand your point. However, most people just automatically grant permission, because they are intimidated, or because they think that if they say "no", it will make them look like they've got something to hide, or because they're afraid they'll be delayed, or who knows what else. But I have a problem with this behavior. If everyone automatically forfeits their 4th Amendment rights anytime some police officer asks, then the 4th Amendment becomes meaningless. Everytime someone says "yes" where no probable cause exists, they weaken the Constitution. Constitutional rights are like muscles; they have to be exercised to stay strong. The way I responded, was to call his bluff. He had to violate the law to "invent" probable cause, where none existed. Then he made himself look stupid in front of all his peers, for having a bad "hunch". Those kinds of things might make him think twice before inventing probable cause again on someone else. And if everyone caused them that much trouble, then it would no longer be worth their time to do it. So that's the way I approach these things. Some cops don't like it. Tough - that's the law. It has caused me some inconvenience and hassle, but I'm willing to live with that in order to reinforce the Constitution. QuoteSee, that's the problem. They can use your "no" as "suspicion" which = probable cause. "Who else but a guilty drug smuggler would say 'no'?!" is their reasoning. Yes, that's their thinking. But the Supreme Court has ruled that saying "no" and exercising your constitutional rights, cannot be construed as probable cause that a crime is being committed. So when the cops do that, they're putting their reputations and careers in jeopardy. If their commanding officer gets enough complaint letters from such behavior, their career and promotions are at risk. QuoteAnd you are probably lucky they didn't just throw a confiscated switchblade under your seat, or a baggie of coke into your console. Suddenly that cop with egg on his face isn't looking so stupid, and you'll never prove you were framed. I was extremely concerned about that. I was watching very closely as they searched my vehicle. If the cop had been outright corrupt, instead of just an asshole, he could have done that. It's a risk... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #53 March 22, 2004 QuoteOK, so you say you were illegally searched based on either (A) racial discrimination or (B) racial profiling. I like how you word this to make it look like my statement is suspect Thats not what I'm saying thats what happened. QuoteOr is there something more to the story that you didn't feel like sharing with the rest of us? Nice job kinda hang that out there like I'm holding back something bad......again makes me look suspect. I wasn't arrested I was given a ticket and let go think I'm lying ask Jessica she was in my coaches course. I'm sure her statment to you will be much more believable since she's white QuoteHave you spoken with a lawyer? Written an official letter of complaint to officer's supervisor/department/mayor? Have you done anything other than get pissed off and bitch about it? Cops running rampant over constitutional rights is generally frowned upon by most courts Now your cracking me up once again theres the assumption that the laws are applied equally. THEY ARE NOT!!!!!!! I was not bitching I was stating a fact and no I didn't call anyone because. The courts are just like the police part of the same institution my word against the cops. Who do you think is gonna win that one. You really should get out more I've had my so called constitutional rights stepped on so many times that if I fought each one that would be my job to this day. I have better things to do in my life Are you trying to defend the cop by casting suspicion on me? What is the point of your post other than that? Maybe I should have told the one about when a cop pulled his gun on my brother and I when I was 12 he was 11 and we were empty handed playing in a field or would you have found something suspicious about our activity in that one too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #54 March 22, 2004 Oh yea one other thing.....look at your reaction. Thats the reaction you get when you make an official complaint. It's not like I haven't tried before. Once again you may be confused about the situation but I am not Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #55 March 22, 2004 QuoteA man of the new millenium. Used to be that teachers enforced dress codes, behavior, and acceptable speech. And they were hardasses about it. Nowadays a teacher gets sued if they tell someone they can't wear a hat in school. Progress, I suppose. At least the lawyers get rich. I understand your point Bill. Honestly though don't you think this is a bit over board by the school. I mean hell, a rule is a rule, but to pick out one person, and then when the person points out the fact that he isn't the only one doing it , he gets suspended? Then he is immediatly arrested for trespassing? There is more to this story. This kid is either a big trouble maker at school most of the time or the school has some total idiots running it! If the kid is a problem normally (fighter, bully, traunt) they may have thought this was a way to get him out of the school. They picked the wrong way to take care of a bigger problem maybe. I think you are more concerned about the whole lawsuit thing. This may be a real issue of racism or a over the top princible.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misslmperfect 0 #56 March 22, 2004 i think what some people are looking over here is that the kid did break a rule. no hats allowed. he broke that rule. and he argued with a cop. i think most of us know what happens when you argue with a cop. they dont like that very much. whether they only singled him out because of his race, whether the punishment was going way too far, he did break a rule! at my school it was common knowledge that hats were a no no. if you wore a hat in school, you got suspended. did i think it was ridiculous? hell yeah. did a wear a hat to school anyway? hell no. im gonna guess that the kids at marlon's school knew hats weren't allowed. if he wanted to make a statement against racism occuring at his school, there was probably a more effective way to go about that, and would have probably produced more positive results. yes the principal should probably be on the recieving end of some diciplinary actions right about now, along with those cops. but i dont think this kid should be praised for breaking the rules.....Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #57 March 23, 2004 Fine. Go ahead and bitch about it without doing anything to make it better. Play the victim. I don't really give a shit. But don't expect pity. If you want help fighting people who've wronged you, ask. If you want to piss and moan, find an appreciative crowd. Until then, your opinion means fuckall to me. But just for the record, everything is he said, she said without evidence. I wasn't casting doubt, I was summarizing. You do get defensive awful quickly.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,072 #58 March 23, 2004 >I understand your point Bill. Honestly though don't you think this is a > bit over board by the school. I mean hell, a rule is a rule, but to > pick out one person, and then when the person points out the fact > that he isn't the only one doing it , he gets suspended? Then he is > immediatly arrested for trespassing? I don't know the details, but if I had tried that at my school, about the same thing would have happened i.e. "Take off that hat!" "No, other kids wear hats." "I don't care what other kids do. Take off right now or you're suspended!" "No "This is your last chance. Take it off." "No." "OK, that's it, you're suspended. You have ten minutes to leave." "I ain't leaving. You can't do anything to me." "If you're not out of here in ten minutes we're calling the cops." "I don't care; they can't do anything to me either. I'm not afraid of you." >There is more to this story. You may be right; I have no idea what actually happened. But based purely on what was reported, they may have been entirely in the right. Or it may have been a blatant case of racism - hard to say. >I think you are more concerned about the whole lawsuit thing. This >may be a real issue of racism or a over the top princible. Both, actually. No one mentioned a lawsuit in the original post. Someone mentioned "I'd sue em!" later in the thread. I am just amazed that so many skydivers nowadays think suing is the way to go about correcting problems, but that's sort of a separate issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #59 March 23, 2004 QuoteFine. Go ahead and bitch about it without doing anything to make it better. Play the victim. At no point did I play the victim, once again(since you like to put your spin on my words), I'm not bitching just a simple statement of fact. QuoteIf you want help fighting people who've wronged you, ask. First I don't want, need, or ask for your help at no time did I ask for any help(if I did please show me where I did). Second I've seen the form of help you were trying to offer earlier.....NO THANK YOU!!! Third you can take your pity and shove it where the sun don't shine right next to your head. I didn't ask for that either. QuoteUntil then, your opinion means fuckall to me. Now that really hurts.........I mean what you think of my opinion means so much to me. QuoteBut just for the record, everything is he said, she said without evidence. I wasn't casting doubt, I was summarizing. Once again I'm not confused.......thats exactly what a judge would say so by your statement your saying I did the right thing because I had no evidence, wait.... I'm really confused now.........and yes you were trying to make my statements look suspect. Wanna call it summerizing go ahead. With your logic and paraphrasing you'll be a great asset to one of the political parties(my guess is republican....) maybe even president some day(if GWB could do it then I'm sure you could to).....ROTFLMAO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
