Patriot Act 2

[akarunway 1]

April Playboy magazine From an article I'm reading now by E. L. Doctorow. The Patriot Act 2. "A legislative proposal floating around Washington would expand the Patriot Act and empower the government to revoke any Americans citizenship on any grounds whatsoever"

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Lee03 0]

Why am I not surprised?

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[skydiverbc 0]

leave it to good ole playboy to uncover everything.... including politics

[akarunway 1]

They have connections. Ask Clinton

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[skydiverbc 0]

i can only imagine akarunaway....money talks .. always has been always will

[WrongWay 0]

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Why am I not surprised?

I second that. This country's going down the shithole after the religious bullshit started, it all went down from there.

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[billvon 3,058]

Provisions of Patriot Act 2:

-Citizenship can be revoked and person deported to Gitmo if the person is suspected of terrorism.

-Government will build a genetic database for terrorists. If they ask you you have to submit a sample to it. If you don't you go to jail.

-Unlimited wiretap, mail intercept and search privledges for up to 15 days

-Suspected terrorists can be secretly arrested i.e. you would just disappear.

-Businesses that release confidential information to the government would be immune to prosecution.

[JohnRich 4]

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Provisions of Patriot Act 2:

-Citizenship can be revoked and person deported to Gitmo if the person is suspected of terrorism.

-Government will build a genetic database for terrorists. If they ask you you have to submit a sample to it. If you don't you go to jail.

-Unlimited wiretap, mail intercept and search privledges for up to 15 days

-Suspected terrorists can be secretly arrested i.e. you would just disappear.

-Businesses that release confidential information to the government would be immune to prosecution.

Please provide a reference to an actual Bill in Congress that contains any of these proposals. Until you can do that, this is nothing but fear-mongering.

And if any such proposals are made, I think few Congressmen would dare to vote in favor of them.

[kallend 2,101]

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Provisions of Patriot Act 2:

-Citizenship can be revoked and person deported to Gitmo if the person is suspected of terrorism.

-Government will build a genetic database for terrorists. If they ask you you have to submit a sample to it. If you don't you go to jail.

-Unlimited wiretap, mail intercept and search privledges for up to 15 days

-Suspected terrorists can be secretly arrested i.e. you would just disappear.

-Businesses that release confidential information to the government would be immune to prosecution.

Please provide a reference to an actual Bill in Congress that contains any of these proposals. Until you can do that, this is nothing but fear-mongering.

And if any such proposals are made, I think few Congressmen would dare to vote in favor of them.

Just because it hasn't made it into Congress yet doesn't mean the DOJ isn't working on it. A draft from the DOJ apparently was circulated last year in Washington.

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[SublimeBreeze 0]

http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terrorism_militias/patriot-act-II-analysis.php

This isn't an exactly link to the references you want but a more indepth look at what they propose, references are also at the bottom of the page

Peace

Sean
Sean In Thailand

[JohnRich 4]

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A draft from the DOJ apparently was circulated last year in Washington.

Reference? If so, someone would have a copy from the Freedom of Information Act, and then it would quickly make it onto the internet. I'd like to see the proof.

[SublimeBreeze 0]

http://www.dailyrotten.com/source-docs/patriot2draft.html

Sean
Sean In Thailand

[billvon 3,058]

>Please provide a reference to an actual Bill in Congress that contains
> any of these proposals.

Here is the draft of the proposal that Rumsfeld was pushing last January. It never made it to Congress. In June, Orrin Hatch tried again with an amended form of the bill, called the Victory act. Here is a copy of that bill. From Wired:
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Congress may consider a bill that not only expands the government's wiretapping and investigative powers but also would link low-level drug dealing to terrorism and ban a traditional form of Middle Eastern banking.

The draft legislation -- titled the Vital Interdiction of Criminal Terrorist Organizations Act of 2003, or Victory Act -- includes significant portions of the so-called Patriot Act II, which faced broad opposition from conservatives and liberals alike and embarrassed the Justice Department when it was leaked to the press in February.

A June 27 draft of the bill, authored by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and co-sponsored by four fellow Republicans on the Judiciary Committee, has been circulating in Washington, D.C.

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But you will likely not see several provisions of the Patriot Act II (or the Victory act) in any new bill presented to Congress - Bush signed some provisions of it (search and seizure privledges for the FBI) into law the day Hussein was captured, thus circumventing the lengthy and annoying processes of a representative government.

From the San Antonio Current:
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On December 13, when U.S. forces captured Saddam Hussein, President George W. Bush not only celebrated with his national security team, but also pulled out his pen and signed into law a bill that grants the FBI sweeping new powers. A White House spokesperson explained the curious timing of the signing - on a Saturday - as "the President signs bills seven days a week." But the last time Bush signed a bill into law on a Saturday happened more than a year ago - on a spending bill that the President needed to sign, to prevent shutting down the federal government the following Monday.

By signing the bill on the day of Hussein's capture, Bush effectively consigned a dramatic expansion of the USA Patriot Act to a mere footnote. Consequently, while most Americans watched as Hussein was probed for head lice, few were aware that the FBI had just obtained the power to probe their financial records, even if the feds don't suspect their involvement in crime or terrorism.

[Casurf1978 0]

Wow...pretty much speechless here. Wonder if anyone up in DC as ever read this quote:

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
Benjamin Franklin

[CrazyThomas 0]

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April Playboy magazine From an article I'm reading now by E. L. Doctorow. The Patriot Act 2. "A legislative proposal floating around Washington would expand the Patriot Act and empower the government to revoke any Americans citizenship on any grounds whatsoever"

Dude.....you read the articles?
Where are the articles found in Playboy?
I have never seen anything written in them, ONLY pictures.



Thomas

[Fireflyer 0]

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April Playboy magazine From an article I'm reading now by E. L. Doctorow. The Patriot Act 2. "A legislative proposal floating around Washington would expand the Patriot Act and empower the government to revoke any Americans citizenship on any grounds whatsoever"

One word: Kerry

[akarunway 1]

Dude. I only subcribe to Playboy for the liberal view. If I wanna look at porn I'll buy a HUSTLER

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[akarunway 1]

Reference? If so, someone would have a copy from the Freedom of Information Act, and then it would quickly make it onto the internet. I'd like to see the proof.
John. Do you have a clue of what it takes nowadays to get FOIA info if you're not connected or a journalist w/ media backing?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[fudd 0]

Well here is the text of the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act:

It's just a bunch of additions and changes to other laws and acts. You will need to read through and have knowledge of all the other laws and acts to actually be able to tell exactly what the patriot act changes.

Here's an extensive analysis of the PATRIOT II.

The full draft is available here.
Look at this page for more about it.

There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

[fudd 0]

PATRIOT act, Freedom of information act, Victory act and Domestic Security Enhancement Act.
Well, it looks like the Ministry of Peace has it all under controle, so we need not worry about the never ending war on terror...

Lets celbrate with some Victory Gin

There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

[kallend 2,101]

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A draft from the DOJ apparently was circulated last year in Washington.

Reference? If so, someone would have a copy from the Freedom of Information Act, and then it would quickly make it onto the internet. I'd like to see the proof.

Have you been asleep, or just worrying too much about BB guns in the UK?

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[JohnRich 4]

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John. Do you have a clue of what it takes nowadays to get FOIA info if you're not connected or a journalist w/ media backing?

The FOIA is not just for journalists. It's for everyone. I've used it quite a bit, and have obtained a lot of stuff.