Duckwater 0 #1 March 20, 2004 Read the quote in bold: Dieter Steklis, chief scientist and vice president for the Atlanta-based Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund International, said police could have tried to contain the gorilla with nonfatal techniques, including using rubber bullets or cornering it with a wall of 15-20 people, preferably keepers the animal recognized. "It sounds like, somehow, there was a bit too much panic on hand and too little judgment of the gorilla's behavior," said Steklis, who has confronted charging gorillas in the wild. This Gorilla got loose in the Dallas Zoo and started attacking women and children. The cops shot and killed it. Did the Zoo fuck up?, YES. Did the cops?, HELL NO. Should we train all our Cops to deal with escaped animals???? I, for one, am anti Zoo, Circus and Rodeo....If you want animals to entertain you, let them do it in the jungle or their natural habitat....but this is insane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #2 March 20, 2004 QuoteCould Animal Rights People be any Fucking Dumber? No. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,073 #3 March 20, 2004 >HELL NO. Should we train all our Cops to deal with escaped animals???? No; that's what animal handlers are for. If the cops were protecting women and children, good for them. If they had evacuated the park and the cops shot it because they didn't know what else to do with an escaped animal, then it's too bad they didn't get the handlers to deal with the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #4 March 20, 2004 'He has my son in his mouth' The injured included a mother and her toddler son. Rivers Noah, 3, was in fair condition at Children’s Medical Center with multiple bites to his head and chest. His mother, Keisha Heard, 26, who was bitten on the legs, and Cheryl Reichert, who suffered arm injuries, were treated at hospitals and released I think a 3 yr old in the mouth is cause for lethal force. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,073 #5 March 20, 2004 >I think a 3 yr old in the mouth is cause for lethal force. He had her son in his mouth when they opened fire on it? If that was the case I'd agree. If they cornered it later and opened fire, I wouldn't agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #6 March 20, 2004 What if the mauled 3 yr old was in safe hands and the ape was charging you? My point is, you can't fault the Cops for over reacting in this situation. The death of the ape is the fault of whoever forgot to lock the cage. Period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,073 #7 March 20, 2004 >What if the mauled 3 yr old was in safe hands and the ape was >charging you? Easy - you get the hell out of there! I mean, what would _you_ do if an ape was charging you??? >My point is, you can't fault the Cops for over reacting in this > situation. Like you said, it was an over-reaction. Nothing to "blame" anyone for; in general, it's just better to have a reasoned reaction that saves a ten thousand dollar animal than an overreaction that kills it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #8 March 20, 2004 I'm now officially convinced that people get some sort of erotic high by arguing. Never seen so much bickering and arguing on a message board in my life. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #9 March 20, 2004 QuoteLike you said, it was an over-reaction. Nothing to "blame" anyone for; in general, it's just better to have a reasoned reaction that saves a ten thousand dollar animal than an overreaction that kills it. I have 2 questions about this statement.... 1. How do Dallas cops become "reasoned" to dealing with primates? 2. How do you know that a Gorilla costs 10 grand???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChileRelleno 0 #10 March 20, 2004 Quote"Could Animal Rights People be any f'ing dumber?" The answer to that is a resounding "Yes!". Lets not get me started on the likes of PETA and others. ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CrazyIvan 0 #11 March 20, 2004 QuoteI'm now officially convinced that people get some sort of erotic high by arguing. Never seen so much bickering and arguing on a message board in my life. BBWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, so true, but wait, there's more, in a minute, someone will say that Bush is responsible BBWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverbc 0 #12 March 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteLike you said, it was an over-reaction. Nothing to "blame" anyone for; in general, it's just better to have a reasoned reaction that saves a ten thousand dollar animal than an overreaction that kills it. I have 2 questions about this statement.... 1. How do Dallas cops become "reasoned" to dealing with primates? 2. How do you know that a Gorilla costs 10 grand???? the gorilla costing ten grand? amazing what figures you can get from selling on the black market! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #13 March 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteLike you said, it was an over-reaction. Nothing to "blame" anyone for; in general, it's just better to have a reasoned reaction that saves a ten thousand dollar animal than an overreaction that kills it. Quote 1. How do Dallas cops become "reasoned" to dealing with primates? THEY ARE PRIMATES. Ug, uh, ug ug, aaaaargh!!! (that means "SHOOT HIS ASS!!" in fluent knuckledragger..... Quote 2. How do you know that a Gorilla costs 10 grand???? Because an african spider monkey will cost you between $1000-$1200 depending on where you get it, and those are house pets. Multiply that by ten, and you have a gorilla. If ya ask me, the entire situation could have been prevented had the zoo's staff reacted properly to the situation, and keeping it from getting out to attack innocent bystanders. It's not the gorillas fault, they were cornering it. Even I would attack in that situation, and my arms are of normal length. But really, any person with any amount of common sense could have told you to use a tranquilizer gun to knock him out, rubber bullets would only piss him off. Stupid people, I tell ya.... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #14 March 20, 2004 For the amount of posting I do here, i do a lot more Reading...... yes,,,, a "spirited discussion" can be fun... I always found that posters here try to be considerate,, and so much of the exchange is in good fun.. The subjects vary in a pleasant and amazing way... . .The Gorilla is the most powerful Bipedal Animal on earth... and pretty complicated in the brains department too.... It is noted that Great Apes,( Gorilla ,Chimps, Orangutan maybe Gibbon ) possess 3 times the strength, Per POUND!! of a human male.!. He was 300 pounds or more.... It is sad.... and a loss considering the situation... yet it seemed necessary.. Those who were so "put off".. that the gorilla was not treated more " humanely" probably weren't there..Those folks can do more for the species if they direct their attention to Africa. The true and Native territory for the lowland and for the mountain gorillas, is near present day Rwanda quite close to the equator.....There.. even today despite the work of many, these animals get killed too frequently, and for reasons FAR stupider.... than the attack of a child and of families. If armed, with a suitable weapon that the person has been trained to use, and if the animal is at all aggressive.... it's a no brainer. jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #15 March 20, 2004 Quote>I think a 3 yr old in the mouth is cause for lethal force. He had her son in his mouth when they opened fire on it? If that was the case I'd agree. If they cornered it later and opened fire, I wouldn't agree. Why don't we do that with dogs then? We destroy dogs that attack people whether they were caught in the act or not. It was correct for the cops to use lethal force.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aprilcat 0 #16 March 20, 2004 I could make a joke about Bush training and offering job placement programs for newly released criminals and ignoring the needs of our gorilla friends, but a 3 y/o in the mouth is serious business. What do you think they could do with that gorilla had they just tranquilized it? Put it back in a cage? Would it be fair to return the gorilla to the wild? He wouldn't know how to survive. The cops would shoot a human had he behaved that way. I'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #17 March 20, 2004 QuoteI'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April I don't go to zoos anymore myself. They're all inadequate to the task of providing a healthy living environment for the animals in my opinion. I have mixed feelings about circuses, I've only been twice (one Ringling Bros, and one "Big Apple Circus" event) when I was very young. I don't have insight to how they're treated or trained, etc. I've never been to a rodeo, but I don't know if I would put that in the same category.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fireflyer 0 #18 March 20, 2004 Quote>What if the mauled 3 yr old was in safe hands and the ape was >charging you? Easy - you get the hell out of there! I mean, what would _you_ do if an ape was charging you??? Quote You should actually stand fast when faced with charging gorilla. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #19 March 20, 2004 This isn't related to the ape story, but it does show how dangerous nature can be, it's a pretty intense video of some hunters (in South Africa I think) tracking a lion. The number of gun shots indicates to me that these guys aren't too experienced (I have none myself, so feel free to correct me on that) and watch what this lion does. Even if these guys are super-professional hunters, you can see how quickly it all went to sh*t (no one was harmed, and the lion got away Edit to add: I stand corrected, the lion, in the end did not get away ). Sport hunting is fine with me, but I don't think these guys were ready for this type of game. Download it from here: http://www.media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=lionhunt.wmv This is the epitomy of one of our favorite mantras here on DZ.com "...scratching a lion's balls with a hot fork..."So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #20 March 20, 2004 It was sad to hear about the gorilla going berserk and injuring people.Just a short time before he made his break, kids were seen taunting and teasing him.I think the zoo is responsible and should take steps to insure that kids or idiot parents cant antagonize these animals.As far as zoos go they do serve a useful function....they help preserve endangered species,they help educate the community about wildlife and they help support breeding programs for releasing animals into the wild..As far as rodeos go, most of the ones I've been to, the cowboys are the only ones I see getting hurt......a circus treats there animals well ( it is in there best interest to have healthy well treated animals) and most of there animals have been born and bred in captivity.As far as the dallas pd gunning down the gorilla they probably felt they were out of options.Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #21 March 20, 2004 Quote I'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April It was a very, very sad situation, and it shouldn't have happened. I think I'll email my brother's fiance (who works at the San Diego Zoo) for details when they all come out. Zoological parks have come a long, long way, and many are in the forefront of protecting wildlife. Rodeos - Yes, it's making sport of animals, but riding a 1.5 ton bull isn't exactly safe, either. Bulls get annoyed when little human critters get on their backs. Although I have absolutely no evidence to support it, save for a very cynical view of human nature, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the more radical members of PETA cheer and/or send hate mail to the families of bull-riders who get injured or killed in their sport. Circuses are a barbaric thing of the past (the word comes from ancient Rome, fer cryin' out loud!), and should be done away with. Making animals perform silly tricks for amusement has no place in an enlightened society (besides, I despise clowns, except for the rodeo variety. Those are some BRAVE bastards...). What impresses me instead are the amazing things that HUMANS can do. Cirque du Soleil and some of the Chinese acts are downright astonishing. If I was King, animal-based circuses would be out of business. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #22 March 21, 2004 From the accents in that clip it would seem to be a South African (Afrikaaner) guide with some fuckwit foreign trophy hunter out to bag himself a lion. Fuckwit foreigners who get off on killing lions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #23 March 21, 2004 All I care about is if they are throwing Gorilla burgers on the grill as a fundraiser to get a new ape. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycop 0 #24 March 21, 2004 Whew!!!! In light of recent events, I've just completed an intensive gorilla sensitivity training course. Some of the blocks included: Grooming your friends- It's not just for gorillas anymone. Feces throwing- The rational, high and low points. Escape from custody- If you were a gorilla what you do? Gorilla "I" messages- Resolve the confrontation peacefully. Suggested dialogue- "Get that kid out of your mouth or I'll shoot, Mr. Gorilla." WRONG "Mr. Gorilla, I don't feel comfortable with you having that kid in your mouth, PLEASE put him down and come here and give me a hug". RIGHT And finally my favorite- Primate diversity, lessons learned. "I'm a spider monkey, NOT a gorilla!!!" "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ian84 0 #25 March 21, 2004 HAHA!!!! Thanks for that!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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ChileRelleno 0 #10 March 20, 2004 Quote"Could Animal Rights People be any f'ing dumber?" The answer to that is a resounding "Yes!". Lets not get me started on the likes of PETA and others. ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #11 March 20, 2004 QuoteI'm now officially convinced that people get some sort of erotic high by arguing. Never seen so much bickering and arguing on a message board in my life. BBWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, so true, but wait, there's more, in a minute, someone will say that Bush is responsible BBWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbc 0 #12 March 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteLike you said, it was an over-reaction. Nothing to "blame" anyone for; in general, it's just better to have a reasoned reaction that saves a ten thousand dollar animal than an overreaction that kills it. I have 2 questions about this statement.... 1. How do Dallas cops become "reasoned" to dealing with primates? 2. How do you know that a Gorilla costs 10 grand???? the gorilla costing ten grand? amazing what figures you can get from selling on the black market! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #13 March 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteLike you said, it was an over-reaction. Nothing to "blame" anyone for; in general, it's just better to have a reasoned reaction that saves a ten thousand dollar animal than an overreaction that kills it. Quote 1. How do Dallas cops become "reasoned" to dealing with primates? THEY ARE PRIMATES. Ug, uh, ug ug, aaaaargh!!! (that means "SHOOT HIS ASS!!" in fluent knuckledragger..... Quote 2. How do you know that a Gorilla costs 10 grand???? Because an african spider monkey will cost you between $1000-$1200 depending on where you get it, and those are house pets. Multiply that by ten, and you have a gorilla. If ya ask me, the entire situation could have been prevented had the zoo's staff reacted properly to the situation, and keeping it from getting out to attack innocent bystanders. It's not the gorillas fault, they were cornering it. Even I would attack in that situation, and my arms are of normal length. But really, any person with any amount of common sense could have told you to use a tranquilizer gun to knock him out, rubber bullets would only piss him off. Stupid people, I tell ya.... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #14 March 20, 2004 For the amount of posting I do here, i do a lot more Reading...... yes,,,, a "spirited discussion" can be fun... I always found that posters here try to be considerate,, and so much of the exchange is in good fun.. The subjects vary in a pleasant and amazing way... . .The Gorilla is the most powerful Bipedal Animal on earth... and pretty complicated in the brains department too.... It is noted that Great Apes,( Gorilla ,Chimps, Orangutan maybe Gibbon ) possess 3 times the strength, Per POUND!! of a human male.!. He was 300 pounds or more.... It is sad.... and a loss considering the situation... yet it seemed necessary.. Those who were so "put off".. that the gorilla was not treated more " humanely" probably weren't there..Those folks can do more for the species if they direct their attention to Africa. The true and Native territory for the lowland and for the mountain gorillas, is near present day Rwanda quite close to the equator.....There.. even today despite the work of many, these animals get killed too frequently, and for reasons FAR stupider.... than the attack of a child and of families. If armed, with a suitable weapon that the person has been trained to use, and if the animal is at all aggressive.... it's a no brainer. jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #15 March 20, 2004 Quote>I think a 3 yr old in the mouth is cause for lethal force. He had her son in his mouth when they opened fire on it? If that was the case I'd agree. If they cornered it later and opened fire, I wouldn't agree. Why don't we do that with dogs then? We destroy dogs that attack people whether they were caught in the act or not. It was correct for the cops to use lethal force.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aprilcat 0 #16 March 20, 2004 I could make a joke about Bush training and offering job placement programs for newly released criminals and ignoring the needs of our gorilla friends, but a 3 y/o in the mouth is serious business. What do you think they could do with that gorilla had they just tranquilized it? Put it back in a cage? Would it be fair to return the gorilla to the wild? He wouldn't know how to survive. The cops would shoot a human had he behaved that way. I'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #17 March 20, 2004 QuoteI'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April I don't go to zoos anymore myself. They're all inadequate to the task of providing a healthy living environment for the animals in my opinion. I have mixed feelings about circuses, I've only been twice (one Ringling Bros, and one "Big Apple Circus" event) when I was very young. I don't have insight to how they're treated or trained, etc. I've never been to a rodeo, but I don't know if I would put that in the same category.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fireflyer 0 #18 March 20, 2004 Quote>What if the mauled 3 yr old was in safe hands and the ape was >charging you? Easy - you get the hell out of there! I mean, what would _you_ do if an ape was charging you??? Quote You should actually stand fast when faced with charging gorilla. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #19 March 20, 2004 This isn't related to the ape story, but it does show how dangerous nature can be, it's a pretty intense video of some hunters (in South Africa I think) tracking a lion. The number of gun shots indicates to me that these guys aren't too experienced (I have none myself, so feel free to correct me on that) and watch what this lion does. Even if these guys are super-professional hunters, you can see how quickly it all went to sh*t (no one was harmed, and the lion got away Edit to add: I stand corrected, the lion, in the end did not get away ). Sport hunting is fine with me, but I don't think these guys were ready for this type of game. Download it from here: http://www.media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=lionhunt.wmv This is the epitomy of one of our favorite mantras here on DZ.com "...scratching a lion's balls with a hot fork..."So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #20 March 20, 2004 It was sad to hear about the gorilla going berserk and injuring people.Just a short time before he made his break, kids were seen taunting and teasing him.I think the zoo is responsible and should take steps to insure that kids or idiot parents cant antagonize these animals.As far as zoos go they do serve a useful function....they help preserve endangered species,they help educate the community about wildlife and they help support breeding programs for releasing animals into the wild..As far as rodeos go, most of the ones I've been to, the cowboys are the only ones I see getting hurt......a circus treats there animals well ( it is in there best interest to have healthy well treated animals) and most of there animals have been born and bred in captivity.As far as the dallas pd gunning down the gorilla they probably felt they were out of options.Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #21 March 20, 2004 Quote I'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April It was a very, very sad situation, and it shouldn't have happened. I think I'll email my brother's fiance (who works at the San Diego Zoo) for details when they all come out. Zoological parks have come a long, long way, and many are in the forefront of protecting wildlife. Rodeos - Yes, it's making sport of animals, but riding a 1.5 ton bull isn't exactly safe, either. Bulls get annoyed when little human critters get on their backs. Although I have absolutely no evidence to support it, save for a very cynical view of human nature, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the more radical members of PETA cheer and/or send hate mail to the families of bull-riders who get injured or killed in their sport. Circuses are a barbaric thing of the past (the word comes from ancient Rome, fer cryin' out loud!), and should be done away with. Making animals perform silly tricks for amusement has no place in an enlightened society (besides, I despise clowns, except for the rodeo variety. Those are some BRAVE bastards...). What impresses me instead are the amazing things that HUMANS can do. Cirque du Soleil and some of the Chinese acts are downright astonishing. If I was King, animal-based circuses would be out of business. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #22 March 21, 2004 From the accents in that clip it would seem to be a South African (Afrikaaner) guide with some fuckwit foreign trophy hunter out to bag himself a lion. Fuckwit foreigners who get off on killing lions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #23 March 21, 2004 All I care about is if they are throwing Gorilla burgers on the grill as a fundraiser to get a new ape. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycop 0 #24 March 21, 2004 Whew!!!! In light of recent events, I've just completed an intensive gorilla sensitivity training course. Some of the blocks included: Grooming your friends- It's not just for gorillas anymone. Feces throwing- The rational, high and low points. Escape from custody- If you were a gorilla what you do? Gorilla "I" messages- Resolve the confrontation peacefully. Suggested dialogue- "Get that kid out of your mouth or I'll shoot, Mr. Gorilla." WRONG "Mr. Gorilla, I don't feel comfortable with you having that kid in your mouth, PLEASE put him down and come here and give me a hug". RIGHT And finally my favorite- Primate diversity, lessons learned. "I'm a spider monkey, NOT a gorilla!!!" "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ian84 0 #25 March 21, 2004 HAHA!!!! Thanks for that!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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jimmytavino 16 #14 March 20, 2004 For the amount of posting I do here, i do a lot more Reading...... yes,,,, a "spirited discussion" can be fun... I always found that posters here try to be considerate,, and so much of the exchange is in good fun.. The subjects vary in a pleasant and amazing way... . .The Gorilla is the most powerful Bipedal Animal on earth... and pretty complicated in the brains department too.... It is noted that Great Apes,( Gorilla ,Chimps, Orangutan maybe Gibbon ) possess 3 times the strength, Per POUND!! of a human male.!. He was 300 pounds or more.... It is sad.... and a loss considering the situation... yet it seemed necessary.. Those who were so "put off".. that the gorilla was not treated more " humanely" probably weren't there..Those folks can do more for the species if they direct their attention to Africa. The true and Native territory for the lowland and for the mountain gorillas, is near present day Rwanda quite close to the equator.....There.. even today despite the work of many, these animals get killed too frequently, and for reasons FAR stupider.... than the attack of a child and of families. If armed, with a suitable weapon that the person has been trained to use, and if the animal is at all aggressive.... it's a no brainer. jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #15 March 20, 2004 Quote>I think a 3 yr old in the mouth is cause for lethal force. He had her son in his mouth when they opened fire on it? If that was the case I'd agree. If they cornered it later and opened fire, I wouldn't agree. Why don't we do that with dogs then? We destroy dogs that attack people whether they were caught in the act or not. It was correct for the cops to use lethal force.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aprilcat 0 #16 March 20, 2004 I could make a joke about Bush training and offering job placement programs for newly released criminals and ignoring the needs of our gorilla friends, but a 3 y/o in the mouth is serious business. What do you think they could do with that gorilla had they just tranquilized it? Put it back in a cage? Would it be fair to return the gorilla to the wild? He wouldn't know how to survive. The cops would shoot a human had he behaved that way. I'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #17 March 20, 2004 QuoteI'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April I don't go to zoos anymore myself. They're all inadequate to the task of providing a healthy living environment for the animals in my opinion. I have mixed feelings about circuses, I've only been twice (one Ringling Bros, and one "Big Apple Circus" event) when I was very young. I don't have insight to how they're treated or trained, etc. I've never been to a rodeo, but I don't know if I would put that in the same category.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireflyer 0 #18 March 20, 2004 Quote>What if the mauled 3 yr old was in safe hands and the ape was >charging you? Easy - you get the hell out of there! I mean, what would _you_ do if an ape was charging you??? Quote You should actually stand fast when faced with charging gorilla. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #19 March 20, 2004 This isn't related to the ape story, but it does show how dangerous nature can be, it's a pretty intense video of some hunters (in South Africa I think) tracking a lion. The number of gun shots indicates to me that these guys aren't too experienced (I have none myself, so feel free to correct me on that) and watch what this lion does. Even if these guys are super-professional hunters, you can see how quickly it all went to sh*t (no one was harmed, and the lion got away Edit to add: I stand corrected, the lion, in the end did not get away ). Sport hunting is fine with me, but I don't think these guys were ready for this type of game. Download it from here: http://www.media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=lionhunt.wmv This is the epitomy of one of our favorite mantras here on DZ.com "...scratching a lion's balls with a hot fork..."So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #20 March 20, 2004 It was sad to hear about the gorilla going berserk and injuring people.Just a short time before he made his break, kids were seen taunting and teasing him.I think the zoo is responsible and should take steps to insure that kids or idiot parents cant antagonize these animals.As far as zoos go they do serve a useful function....they help preserve endangered species,they help educate the community about wildlife and they help support breeding programs for releasing animals into the wild..As far as rodeos go, most of the ones I've been to, the cowboys are the only ones I see getting hurt......a circus treats there animals well ( it is in there best interest to have healthy well treated animals) and most of there animals have been born and bred in captivity.As far as the dallas pd gunning down the gorilla they probably felt they were out of options.Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #21 March 20, 2004 Quote I'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April It was a very, very sad situation, and it shouldn't have happened. I think I'll email my brother's fiance (who works at the San Diego Zoo) for details when they all come out. Zoological parks have come a long, long way, and many are in the forefront of protecting wildlife. Rodeos - Yes, it's making sport of animals, but riding a 1.5 ton bull isn't exactly safe, either. Bulls get annoyed when little human critters get on their backs. Although I have absolutely no evidence to support it, save for a very cynical view of human nature, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the more radical members of PETA cheer and/or send hate mail to the families of bull-riders who get injured or killed in their sport. Circuses are a barbaric thing of the past (the word comes from ancient Rome, fer cryin' out loud!), and should be done away with. Making animals perform silly tricks for amusement has no place in an enlightened society (besides, I despise clowns, except for the rodeo variety. Those are some BRAVE bastards...). What impresses me instead are the amazing things that HUMANS can do. Cirque du Soleil and some of the Chinese acts are downright astonishing. If I was King, animal-based circuses would be out of business. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #22 March 21, 2004 From the accents in that clip it would seem to be a South African (Afrikaaner) guide with some fuckwit foreign trophy hunter out to bag himself a lion. Fuckwit foreigners who get off on killing lions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #23 March 21, 2004 All I care about is if they are throwing Gorilla burgers on the grill as a fundraiser to get a new ape. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycop 0 #24 March 21, 2004 Whew!!!! In light of recent events, I've just completed an intensive gorilla sensitivity training course. Some of the blocks included: Grooming your friends- It's not just for gorillas anymone. Feces throwing- The rational, high and low points. Escape from custody- If you were a gorilla what you do? Gorilla "I" messages- Resolve the confrontation peacefully. Suggested dialogue- "Get that kid out of your mouth or I'll shoot, Mr. Gorilla." WRONG "Mr. Gorilla, I don't feel comfortable with you having that kid in your mouth, PLEASE put him down and come here and give me a hug". RIGHT And finally my favorite- Primate diversity, lessons learned. "I'm a spider monkey, NOT a gorilla!!!" "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ian84 0 #25 March 21, 2004 HAHA!!!! Thanks for that!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Gawain 0 #19 March 20, 2004 This isn't related to the ape story, but it does show how dangerous nature can be, it's a pretty intense video of some hunters (in South Africa I think) tracking a lion. The number of gun shots indicates to me that these guys aren't too experienced (I have none myself, so feel free to correct me on that) and watch what this lion does. Even if these guys are super-professional hunters, you can see how quickly it all went to sh*t (no one was harmed, and the lion got away Edit to add: I stand corrected, the lion, in the end did not get away ). Sport hunting is fine with me, but I don't think these guys were ready for this type of game. Download it from here: http://www.media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=lionhunt.wmv This is the epitomy of one of our favorite mantras here on DZ.com "...scratching a lion's balls with a hot fork..."So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #20 March 20, 2004 It was sad to hear about the gorilla going berserk and injuring people.Just a short time before he made his break, kids were seen taunting and teasing him.I think the zoo is responsible and should take steps to insure that kids or idiot parents cant antagonize these animals.As far as zoos go they do serve a useful function....they help preserve endangered species,they help educate the community about wildlife and they help support breeding programs for releasing animals into the wild..As far as rodeos go, most of the ones I've been to, the cowboys are the only ones I see getting hurt......a circus treats there animals well ( it is in there best interest to have healthy well treated animals) and most of there animals have been born and bred in captivity.As far as the dallas pd gunning down the gorilla they probably felt they were out of options.Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #21 March 20, 2004 Quote I'm beginning to re-think my position on zoos, rodeos and circuses.~~April It was a very, very sad situation, and it shouldn't have happened. I think I'll email my brother's fiance (who works at the San Diego Zoo) for details when they all come out. Zoological parks have come a long, long way, and many are in the forefront of protecting wildlife. Rodeos - Yes, it's making sport of animals, but riding a 1.5 ton bull isn't exactly safe, either. Bulls get annoyed when little human critters get on their backs. Although I have absolutely no evidence to support it, save for a very cynical view of human nature, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the more radical members of PETA cheer and/or send hate mail to the families of bull-riders who get injured or killed in their sport. Circuses are a barbaric thing of the past (the word comes from ancient Rome, fer cryin' out loud!), and should be done away with. Making animals perform silly tricks for amusement has no place in an enlightened society (besides, I despise clowns, except for the rodeo variety. Those are some BRAVE bastards...). What impresses me instead are the amazing things that HUMANS can do. Cirque du Soleil and some of the Chinese acts are downright astonishing. If I was King, animal-based circuses would be out of business. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #22 March 21, 2004 From the accents in that clip it would seem to be a South African (Afrikaaner) guide with some fuckwit foreign trophy hunter out to bag himself a lion. Fuckwit foreigners who get off on killing lions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #23 March 21, 2004 All I care about is if they are throwing Gorilla burgers on the grill as a fundraiser to get a new ape. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #24 March 21, 2004 Whew!!!! In light of recent events, I've just completed an intensive gorilla sensitivity training course. Some of the blocks included: Grooming your friends- It's not just for gorillas anymone. Feces throwing- The rational, high and low points. Escape from custody- If you were a gorilla what you do? Gorilla "I" messages- Resolve the confrontation peacefully. Suggested dialogue- "Get that kid out of your mouth or I'll shoot, Mr. Gorilla." WRONG "Mr. Gorilla, I don't feel comfortable with you having that kid in your mouth, PLEASE put him down and come here and give me a hug". RIGHT And finally my favorite- Primate diversity, lessons learned. "I'm a spider monkey, NOT a gorilla!!!" "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #25 March 21, 2004 HAHA!!!! Thanks for that!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
