The Passion of the Christ

[smit705 0]

I am not sure about Satan in Garden either. Mel Gibson took parts from Apostolic teachings. The Catholic bible has some different books, which I am not all that familiar with.

In Christ

Dave Smith

In Christ
Dave Smith

[smit705 0]

It is very Graphic, My wife and I saw it my Mother and Father. We were all moved, it is an experience. My Mother has a hard time with violence as well. She did cover eyes several times, but was able to sit thru the whole movie. I would also recommend you watch with someone.

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Perhaps it was the son of satan? The son of God was dying, being sacrificed for all of mankind. While the son of satan safe in his father's (satan) arms.

Good thinking 007... that may very well be the case.

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Just wait for the DVD if you really want to see it and are worried about the ick factor. Then you can pause it and take a break if you need to.

[RkyMtnHigh 0]

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Just wait for the DVD if you really want to see it and are worried about the ick factor. Then you can pause it and take a break if you need to.

Good point! I think I'll just wait...

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[EricaH 0]

Well, I just spoke w/ my mom (basically my Cliff notes to the Bible
1. Satan holding the child @ the beating...
(a) kinda looks like the statue of the madonna (Mary holding baby Jesus)
(b) earlier during the trial, Jesus called the people causing his beating "sons of the devil". Perhaps it's showing satan holding his son, amongst his grown sons supporting them.
(c) Satan knew that Jesus was the son of God, but did not know what exactly was going on. Satan knows the past & can guess @ at the future, but he does not KNOW it. Therefore, he'd want to see what's going on.

2. Satan in the garden while Jesus prayed.
(a) Perhaps was a combination to show how Satan is just always there @ your weekest moments & he even tempts Jesus.
(b) Jesus was asking God to "if it is your will, please take this cup from me.". Jesus knew his purpose on earth was to die & take on the sins of the world. At the time it was to happen he was asking God to not have it happen, he was tempted to turn away from his given path. Satan would have had to be right there, waiting for Jesus to turn from God. Not necessarily in an active role, but there.

There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear.

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Well, I just spoke w/ my mom (basically my Cliff notes to the Bible
1. Satan holding the child @ the beating...
(a) kinda looks like the statue of the madonna (Mary holding baby Jesus)
(b) earlier during the trial, Jesus called the people causing his beating "sons of the devil". Perhaps it's showing satan holding his son, amongst his grown sons supporting them.
(c) Satan knew that Jesus was the son of God, but did not know what exactly was going on. Satan knows the past & can guess @ at the future, but he does not KNOW it. Therefore, he'd want to see what's going on.

2. Satan in the garden while Jesus prayed.
(a) Perhaps was a combination to show how Satan is just always there @ your weekest moments & he even tempts Jesus.
(b) Jesus was asking God to "if it is your will, please take this cup from me.". Jesus knew his purpose on earth was to die & take on the sins of the world. At the time it was to happen he was asking God to not have it happen, he was tempted to turn away from his given path. Satan would have had to be right there, waiting for Jesus to turn from God. Not necessarily in an active role, but there.

Excellent points

[EricaH 0]

thank you
Another one, about Satan holding the baby... did you notice that for a second one of the "children" picking on Judas flashed the same face.... that baby/child is actually a demon & that's why they dissapeared once Judas was @ the place that would accomodate hanging himself.

Another thought I just had is that Jesus came riding in on a donkey into the same gate that Judas ran out of only a bit earlier. Then there's a dead donkey just outside the gate... anyway.

Oh, the whold madonna statue, I forgot to say that my mom pointed out that it was a perversion of a holy image - which satan loves to do.

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[rocketdog 0]

hey -- i TOTALLY agree with you about feeling blessed. seeing that movie made me SO proud of my tattoo (a cross).

what did you think about all the blood, etc.?
i could barely stomach it. i think had the movie not been so bloody i would've bawled A LOT more, but @ the same time i was glad that Mel Gibson DID add all the gore into it..... made it seem much more accurate & realistic!

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[Luv2Fall 0]

Wow.......I like both your's & your mom's thinking! Haven't seen the movie yet and watching for these "extras" will make it much more interesting........can't wait.

[aprilcat 0]

I have to disagree with you waiting to buy the DVD for 2 reasons:
1) I have yet to hear/read someone say they want to see it again. My sister (she's very religious) asked me and I couldn't do it for her.
2) you will never make it to the end. If you control where you can stop and 'gather' yourself you'll be sitting there for a few days.

See it in the theatre with a friend and eat beforehand. It took me 3 days to be able to eat again. ~~April

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[happythoughts 0]

I like the part where he looks down from the cross and asks Mary, "Could you get me my flats, these spikes are killin' me."

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I like the part where he looks down from the cross and asks Mary, "Could you get me my flats, these spikes are killin' me."

ROFL

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Satan in the garden while Jesus prayed.
(a) Perhaps was a combination to show how Satan is just always there @ your weekest moments & he even tempts Jesus.
(b) Jesus was asking God to "if it is your will, please take this cup from me.". Jesus knew his purpose on earth was to die & take on the sins of the world. At the time it was to happen he was asking God to not have it happen, he was tempted to turn away from his given path. Satan would have had to be right there, waiting for Jesus to turn from God. Not necessarily in an active role, but there.

I'll buy the part about satan always being there to tempt. I guess I just have a problem with the timing in the movie. It clearly states in in the bible in that particular section of the story that an angel from heaven appeared and gave him support, not the devil tempting him. I'm sure the devil was there tempting him but why the other was not depicted as it was written, I don't understand. It would be different if it weren't mentioned that an angel from heaven appeared at that very time. But it does. It just seems like a conflict. I like details.

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Just wait for the DVD if you really want to see it and are worried about the ick factor. Then you can pause it and take a break if you need to.

Good point! I think I'll just wait...

I have to agree with aprilcat. I think it was uncomfortable to sit through. But I think that was something that was intended and I think that is important while watching the film. I would suggest that you NOT pause it and gather yourself. If you are interested, this was my review of the film...

I think when Jesus said "love your enemy" he probably meant don't kill them.

[EricaH 0]

I agree, I thoroughly dislike it when details are left out. I guess, my knowing that life is a spiritual battle, your flesh & soul at constant odds w/ eachother. Perhaps we were to assume that God was w/ his Son @ this time, who knows?

It would have been great if it showed the devil on one side & an angle on the other. More accurately depicting the eternal struggle for our souls between good & evil. I don't know why they left that out.

There are some good extras in there and there are things left out. I think I said before, that the ONLY reason I saw this was so I could join in in these discussions. I left the moving 100% knowin that I DID NOT need to have seen it. I did not feel an anointing on the film, rather saw a lot of people reacting to it. I don't think it will lead people to seak after Jesus... the only message I got was that he was a prophet that the jews didn't like because of his claim & so they pleaded for him to be killed. Rome bent, killed him & God (as depicted by the storm) was not happy. The whole message was not there.

I could grasp; from the bibles statement that Jesus was beaten beyond recognition, that you could not tell if he was a man or beast, what he would end up looking like. I've seen a cat o nine tales & could fathome what it'd do to a human body. I know what Jesus did for me & am forever greatful. I did not need hollywood to shove the images forever into the print of my mind. I did not appreciate some of the more liberal changes/additions that were made.

MkyMtnHigh, this movie has about 40+ minutes of very graphicness... I love that surgery show on Discovery, this - even I had to cover my eyes for a bit.

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[Raefordite 0]

My impression of the physically presence of satan in a number of places throughout the movie is this.

The "visual" satan is simply a reminder to the audience of the never ending, always present satan. Even for Jesus at the garden, during the beating, while carrying the cross - satan was there to tempt him, remind him, observe him.

As far as I could tell, mother Mary was the only other person (besides Jesus) that could actually see satan and his movements. The satan child's face (a few different faces at that) briefly appeared in actual physical beings (children to Judas, etc), but no one else truly saw the physical satan.

Mel Gibson did a great job by making satan a physical being. Each time I saw satan in the movie, it reminded me of the evil one. That until the second coming of Christ when satan will be thrown into the pit of fire, he will always be present.

[rocketdog 0]

QUESTION ABOUT SATAN:

shame on me because i have not read this section of the Bible..... my question may be answered already.... ANYWAY

the random shot towards the very end of the movie where the devil's hair flies off: is she/it (the devil) laughing in triumph or upset @ defeat -- my friend & i are having a debate....

THOUGHTS ANYONE?!?!?

~hollywood

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[pajarito 0]

I think, at that point, upset @ defeat.

[EricaH 0]

I agree w/ the defeat issue.

There's even a theory that Jesus was in hell w/ Satan for a time. The bible says that Jesus was put away from the presence of God. SOME people believe that for a short while while he had "the sins of the world" on him, he was in theory the greatest sinner of all & therefore, in hell. However, God called him back.

I THOUGHT that perhaps it was actually a dove (which represents the Holy Spirit & thereby Jesus quite often), flying out of hell & back to earth to become Jesus reserected.

There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear.

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[GARYC24 3]

1 Peter 3-18
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put
to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit.
(19) by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison (20) who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is eight souls, were saved through water"NKJV

Is that possibly what you were speaking of?

Also, the scene at the end..of Satan.
It has something to do with a passage about Satan being sent to "the dry place" if you noticed/remember the land was cracked and dried up.I can't find the passage as I write this.

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Also, the scene at the end..of Satan.
It has something to do with a passage about Satan being sent to "the dry place" if you noticed/remember the land was cracked and dried up.I can't find the passage as I write this.

Revelation 20:3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep......

(then after a 1000 yrs. satan will be released for a short time, then....)

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[DrunkMonkey 0]

A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:

"Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

[EricaH 0]

Um, I think it is... just can't remember .

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[brits17 0]

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I don't think it will lead people to seek after Jesus...

I do have to say I'm enjoying this discussion, keep the idears coming people. Anyway, in reply to your statement Erica, I beg to differ. Many people have heard about and know the general story of Jesus dying on the cross to save the world. However, the movie depicted the realism and truth behind the text. I think it has the power to move those who haven't trusted Him. I think it also has the power to rejuvenate faith in Christians. It did for me.

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