PhillyKev 0 #26 March 16, 2004 Well, in that post I agree with you. See...told you I could Discipline good, quality time good. Spanking bad. There's nothing that can be taught through corporal punishment that can't be taught in another way without physical abuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #27 March 16, 2004 Quote...believe in some type of higher power ... Bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #28 March 16, 2004 Well, in that post I agree with you. See...told you I could Discipline good, quality time good. Spanking bad. There's nothing that can be taught through corporal punishment that can't be taught in another way without physical abuse. *** Agreed.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #29 March 16, 2004 Bad idea. *** Why would you say that? Just asking.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #30 March 16, 2004 Quote and if today's children had this kind of drug problem, America might be a better place today. not so sure evidence backs that statement, but it would be a less literate place. Q: His canopy (drugged, drug, dragged) him across the landing area? Q: Jack went over to Jill's house to get (lain, lied, laid)? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #31 March 16, 2004 QuoteBad idea. *** Why would you say that? Just asking.... I think that forcing religion (not saying that this is what you are doing) is almost as bad as physically abusing your kid. I have seen too many kids that grew up in super-religious families who turned out to be so brainwashed that they could never see past it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #32 March 16, 2004 We do not even go to church. I have tried to explain, to my kids, what a god or higher power is, but it is up to them to make the decision to believe or not. They can go to church if they want too but I will not be going with them. They have the choice but until they are older (they are 3, 4, 5, and 10 ) I will try to explain it the best I can..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #33 March 16, 2004 QuoteWe do not even go to church. I have tried to explain, to my kids, what a god or higher power is, but it is up to them to make the decision to believe or not. They can go to church if they want too but I will not be going with them. They have the choice but until they are older (they are 3, 4, 5, and 10 ) I will try to explain it the best I can..... I think you have made the best decision (if that means anything). Also, I think reinforcing the fact that they have the power within themselves to take control of their own lives and that they dont need some book or preacher to tell them what to do is very important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #34 March 16, 2004 QuoteI have tried to explain, to my kids, what a god or higher power is, but it is up to them to make the decision to believe or not. I think (IMHO) that this is a great attitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JoeyRamone 0 #35 March 17, 2004 I think we have made the right decission also. Thanks, Tim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #36 March 17, 2004 Cut it out, Nitrodan and Drunkmonkey. Stop calling each other names and threatening to kill each other and all that. I already deleted some posts; the next attack gets people banned and the thread deleted. The traditional one warning before I pull the car over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites smiles 0 #37 March 17, 2004 QuoteThe point I was trying to make is that forcing kids to do things doesn't prevent drug abuse. Yes, structure and discipline are important, but dragging them around by the ear isn't the way to get that. People should try reasoning with children, explaining things to them, and treating them like the sentient, free willed individuals that they are. The "do it because I said so" line doesn't work on kids. I agree- fear tatics -do not -and have never worked. As a parent with teenage sons- taking them down to our downtown eastside to walk the streets and show them how drug addicts live, may have been a "fear" tatic but keeping open comunication with them has helped the most. We can sit together and talk about drugs, just like talking about anything else. I never thought I'd see the day where I would have concern about the drugs on the streets and my children (as I grew up trying out what I thought was every drug there would ever be.) It isn't till I look back and remind myself how very fortunate I am to not have ended up on the streets addicted.... I was trying blue crystal speed when I tried heroin and didn't consider heroin to be "a rush" so never tried it again (didn't enjoy puking and nodding out) Used cocaine but never felt addicted- why continue to use more when I could never get that initial high again for weeks...Out of the "crowd" I hung with using drugs- 2 died from overdose- and thanks to them I "saw the light." I live in Vancouver B.C. Canada where lured affluent tourists by the hundreds of thousands came to Expo '86, The prospect of easy money brought a corresponding influx of the poor and hopeless, most of them gravitating to Downtown Eastside. Around the same time, competition among drug cartels flooded the district with cheap narcotics, encouraging a new generation of addicts to turn on, tune in and drop out. Surrounding districts passed new laws to purge their streets of prostitutes, driving the women out of Burnaby and North Vancouver, into Downtown Eastside. In 1994, federal cutbacks left welfare recipients short of cash, while mental hospitals disgorged patients onto the streets. By 1997, careless sex and shared needles had taken their toll, one-fourth of the neighborhood's residents testing HIV-positive. So far, government needle-exchange programs have failed to stem the plague, despite provision of some 2.8 million needles each year. The Downtown Eastside is infamous for its "kiddy stroll," featuring prostitutes as young as 11. Some of those work the streets, while others are secured by their pimps in special trick pads. New prospects arrive every day, runaways and adventure-seekers dubbed "twinkies" by those already trapped in The Life. A 1995 survey of Downtown Eastside's working girls revealed that 73 percent of them entered the sex trade as children and the same percent were unwed mothers, averaging three children each. Of those, 90 percent had lost children; fewer than half knew where their children were. Nearly three-quarters of the prostitutes were Aboriginals. More than 80 percent were born and raised outside Vancouver. In 1998 they averaged one death per day from drug overdoses, the highest rate in Canadian history. SMiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
JoeyRamone 0 #35 March 17, 2004 I think we have made the right decission also. Thanks, Tim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #36 March 17, 2004 Cut it out, Nitrodan and Drunkmonkey. Stop calling each other names and threatening to kill each other and all that. I already deleted some posts; the next attack gets people banned and the thread deleted. The traditional one warning before I pull the car over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #37 March 17, 2004 QuoteThe point I was trying to make is that forcing kids to do things doesn't prevent drug abuse. Yes, structure and discipline are important, but dragging them around by the ear isn't the way to get that. People should try reasoning with children, explaining things to them, and treating them like the sentient, free willed individuals that they are. The "do it because I said so" line doesn't work on kids. I agree- fear tatics -do not -and have never worked. As a parent with teenage sons- taking them down to our downtown eastside to walk the streets and show them how drug addicts live, may have been a "fear" tatic but keeping open comunication with them has helped the most. We can sit together and talk about drugs, just like talking about anything else. I never thought I'd see the day where I would have concern about the drugs on the streets and my children (as I grew up trying out what I thought was every drug there would ever be.) It isn't till I look back and remind myself how very fortunate I am to not have ended up on the streets addicted.... I was trying blue crystal speed when I tried heroin and didn't consider heroin to be "a rush" so never tried it again (didn't enjoy puking and nodding out) Used cocaine but never felt addicted- why continue to use more when I could never get that initial high again for weeks...Out of the "crowd" I hung with using drugs- 2 died from overdose- and thanks to them I "saw the light." I live in Vancouver B.C. Canada where lured affluent tourists by the hundreds of thousands came to Expo '86, The prospect of easy money brought a corresponding influx of the poor and hopeless, most of them gravitating to Downtown Eastside. Around the same time, competition among drug cartels flooded the district with cheap narcotics, encouraging a new generation of addicts to turn on, tune in and drop out. Surrounding districts passed new laws to purge their streets of prostitutes, driving the women out of Burnaby and North Vancouver, into Downtown Eastside. In 1994, federal cutbacks left welfare recipients short of cash, while mental hospitals disgorged patients onto the streets. By 1997, careless sex and shared needles had taken their toll, one-fourth of the neighborhood's residents testing HIV-positive. So far, government needle-exchange programs have failed to stem the plague, despite provision of some 2.8 million needles each year. The Downtown Eastside is infamous for its "kiddy stroll," featuring prostitutes as young as 11. Some of those work the streets, while others are secured by their pimps in special trick pads. New prospects arrive every day, runaways and adventure-seekers dubbed "twinkies" by those already trapped in The Life. A 1995 survey of Downtown Eastside's working girls revealed that 73 percent of them entered the sex trade as children and the same percent were unwed mothers, averaging three children each. Of those, 90 percent had lost children; fewer than half knew where their children were. Nearly three-quarters of the prostitutes were Aboriginals. More than 80 percent were born and raised outside Vancouver. In 1998 they averaged one death per day from drug overdoses, the highest rate in Canadian history. SMiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
