blueskyserenity 0 #1 March 16, 2004 Conversation by two old fellows The other day, someone at the co-op read that a methamphetamine lab had been found in an old farm house in the adjoining county and he asked me a rhetorical question, "Why didn't we have a drug problem when you and I were growing up, Milo?" I smiled when I answered him saying, "I DID have a drug problem when I was a kid growing up on the farm in southeast Kansas. I was drug to church on Sunday mornings and for weddings and funerals. I was drug to family reunions and community socials no matter the weather. I was drug by my ears when I was disrespectful to adults and teachers. I was also drug to the 'woodshed' when I disobeyed my parents or if I had a 'smart-mouth.' I was drug to my room to work on improving my homework and my attitude if I didn't put forth my best effort in everything that! was asked of me. I was drug outside on Saturday mornings to pull weeds in our garden and flower beds." Those "drugs" are still in my veins; and they affect my behavior in everything I do, say, and think. They are stronger than cocaine, crack, or heroin, and if today's children had this kind of drug problem, America might be a better place today.I like coconuts. You can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeakMindedFool 0 #2 March 16, 2004 Please see the 18th and 21st Amendment to the Constitution... other then that, your right!Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #3 March 16, 2004 QuoteI was drug to church on Sunday mornings and for weddings and funerals. So was I, and it gave me a strong distaste for religion. QuoteI was drug to family reunions and community socials no matter the weather. I was too, and it made me loathe seeing my extended family out of sheer boredom. QuoteI was drug by my ears when I was disrespectful to adults and teachers. Detention/taking something away was far more effective. if it was just some physical abuse, I'd weigh my desire to do X versus my distaste for recieving Y punishment. QuoteI was also drug to the 'woodshed' when I disobeyed my parents or if I had a 'smart-mouth.' I was too, and it served only to push me to the point when I told them them if they hit me again, I'd block every slap or punch, and they'd better be ready to do the same for themselves. Quote I was drug to my room to work on improving my homework and my attitude if I didn't put forth my best effort in everything that! was asked of me. I was too, but it was my desire to make something of myself, and not the sadistic mind games they played on me, that drove me. QuoteI was drug outside on Saturday mornings to pull weeds in our garden and flower beds." I did not, and still don't care about flowers, so this one fell to the family members who gave a crap about those things. Yeah, let's beat our children senseless physically, emotionally, and mentally.... And we wonder why kids fucking cannot stand their parents at times. I love my family, but I will never live within 500 miles of them if I can help it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #4 March 16, 2004 Someone has issues! FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #5 March 16, 2004 I take it you do not have kids, if you did you might understand the point that is trying to be made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #6 March 16, 2004 QuoteSomeone has issues! FallRate Not really... Actually a very well adjusted person. (Just ask Sunshine) Just some strong viewpoints about that kind of redneck sentiment. I'm a Chicagoan marooned in KS, so I see a lot of those people here. That, and I'm just in a pissy mood right now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #7 March 16, 2004 QuoteI take it you do not have kids, if you did you might understand the point that is trying to be made. The point that back before drugs, when people were just alcoholics, it was ok to physically abuse children and treat them like they are sub-human? My dad had a saying for families with abusive parents and the little, bully, pricks they had as kids. "Shit heads perpetuate shit heads." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #8 March 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteI take it you do not have kids, if you did you might understand the point that is trying to be made. The point that back before drugs, when people were just alcoholics, it was ok to physically abuse children and treat them like they are sub-human? My dad had a saying for families with abusive parents and the little, bully, pricks they had as kids. "Shit heads perpetuate shit heads." HEAR HEAR! An excellent distillation of my overly verbose post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #9 March 16, 2004 Well call me when you kid dies of a heroin overdose at age 15 then. Or is smoke a dick to support his drug addiction. I do not condone anyone who abuses a child, but I do agree that some guide lines need to be set with kids today, I have respect for my dad always have and always will. I got whacked with a belt 2 times and I deserved it both times too. That does not make him a drunk... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #10 March 16, 2004 QuoteWell call me when your kid dies of a herion overdose at age 15 then. Well, that's why you EDUCATE your kids, not beat them to oblivion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #11 March 16, 2004 Well, that's why you EDUCATE your kids, not beat them to oblivion... *** Is that like "just say no" I was told not to do drugs and still did them... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #12 March 16, 2004 QuoteWell, that's why you EDUCATE your kids, not beat them to oblivion... *** Is that like "just say no" I was told not to do drugs and still did them... Even if you beat your kids (which is not needed) they still will have the same likelyhood of using as those who do not...You'll just have taught them that being abusive/a bully is acceptable. Beat your kids enough, you get to see them on "America's Most Wanted." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #13 March 16, 2004 QuoteWell call me when you kid dies of a herion overdose at age 15 then. I don't get what that has to do with what PhillyKev said. Kids are dying of heion and other drugs because parents are giving them the money and means to do it. example: there is a very well-to-do private school here and the big joke is the only thing the kids are learning there is how much an 8 ball costs. How many of you could afford an 8 ball when you were in high school and didn't work. Now, when I was in high school, cocaine was the furthest thing from my mind, granted I smoked some pot on occasion in high school but my $6.00 a week allowance was going to let me make it a bad habit. flame away. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #14 March 16, 2004 I don't get what that has to do with what PhillyKev said. *** I can tell you he just likes to disagree with everything I post. I live in a town call Naperville, Illinois. Voted the best town in the country to raise a family. It is been in the top 3 for the past 8 or so years. What they don't tell you is that about 20-30 kids die from drug over doses every year Why because there parents were never around to give them that spanking, teach them right from wrong, the were to busy chasing the dream of $$$$$$ and lost the kids to drugs along the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #15 March 16, 2004 Even if you beat your kids (which is not needed) they still will have the same likelyhood of using as those who do not...You'll just have taught them that being abusive/a bully is acceptable. *** Where did I say I beat my kids? I never have and never would. Now why dont you answer my question. Do you have any kids? It sounds to me like you are pissed off at your parents for the way you were raised . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #16 March 16, 2004 No. No kids. The best kind of kids are the ones that aren't a tax burden to me, and that go home (someone else's) at the end of the day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #17 March 16, 2004 Quote I can tell you he just likes to disagree with everything I post. Nooooo, not PhillyKev.Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #18 March 16, 2004 What in the hell does giving your kid a beating have to do with teaching them right from wrong?You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #19 March 16, 2004 No. No kids. The best kind of kids are the ones that aren't a tax burden to me, and that go home (someone else's) at the end of the day. *** HA-HA Great answer.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #20 March 16, 2004 What in the hell does giving your kid a beating have to do with teaching them right from wrong? *** Please tell me or show me where I said to beat your kids? Take the time to read all the post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #21 March 16, 2004 To me, spanking your kids is the same thing as beating your kids... and is therefore not an acceptable means of punishment. And I've never seen any evidence that children who get spanked behave any better than children who do not get spanked, so I see no excuse for this sort of punishment - it is simply physical abuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 March 16, 2004 QuoteI can tell you he just likes to disagree with everything I post. I don't like to disagree with you at all. If you said something I agreed with, I'd happily chime in. The point I was trying to make is that forcing kids to do things doesn't prevent drug abuse. Yes, structure and discipline are important, but dragging them around by the ear isn't the way to get that. People should try reasoning with children, explaining things to them, and treating them like the sentient, free willed individuals that they are. The "do it because I said so" line doesn't work on kids. Quotebecause there parents were never around to give them that spanking, teach them right from wrong, These are two mutually exclusive things. Teaching someone right from wrong does not require spanking. In fact, spanking, teaches them wrong. That physical punishment is a means to get your way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrodan 0 #23 March 16, 2004 ??? ISSUES DAN SMITH www.skydivewichita.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivaSkyChick 0 #24 March 16, 2004 Wow, I think my 30 cousins and I must be related to you! It's funny how parents get smarter as we get older! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #25 March 16, 2004 Well I agree with you to a point. The kids I am referring too, that have died, were all spoiled brats. The parents give them credit cards at 14, they drive a new BMW by 16 and OD by 18. The parents let the kids run the family. I run a cub scout pack with 180 kids under 11 in it. I see the spoiled ones, the ones who tell their parents to "Shut up" at age 8. What do the parents do? Not a dam thing. That is one reason I am leaving cub scouts. I can not deal with the parents who drop off the kids every week and month and let them run around like animals with no respect for anyone. I am not saying to spank the kids but some discipline is needed. I am not the one to do it for other parents. I guess if parents spent more quality time with their kids they might have a better understanding of what the kids are up to. I don't have all the answers , hell none of us do. I try my best every day to raise my kids with respect for others, believe in some type of higher power and to always try to be the best they can be, even if they fail they tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
